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Doctor Who 50th Anniversary |OT| Splendid Chap, All Of Them

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Slowdive

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I don't know if I buy those spoilers for Christmas.

The Silence I get. They could even call the episode "Silent Night". But The Weeping Angels don't seem like the type to team up or participate in any scheme except their own perpetuation and self-preservation. They don't seem to have an agenda against The Doctor.

The guy is supposedly reliable. Also
It says not all of them are real so they could be inside the Doctor's head or something? Someone who was on set took a picture of a Weeping Angel prop on twitter. Also an actress who plays weeping angels tweeted she was on set or something,or at least spotted on set, I can't remember.

If they are true, like Moffat said it seems like we're getting answers about
"The endless, bitter war."
 
But equally doesn't it make it seem as if Ten is saying "I don't wanna die and turn into that guy. He sucked." I don't think End of Time's many, many problems can ever really be retroactively fixed.

It won't be like that, I think. He might just end up learning about some of the things 11 has to go through, and comparatively 11's had a much rougher life (Manhattan, Demon's Run, his "death", Trenzalore) and naturally that all seems pretty scary.

Just look at 11's breakdown in TNotD when Clara says the word "Trenzalore" to him. All 11 needs to do is let the same word slip and 10 will probably be terrified.
 
Interesting stuff happening about the copyright to the TARDIS. The son of Anthony Coburn is attempting to challenge the BBC to the rights of ownership for the concept. Now, this really doesn't have all that much of a leg to stand on, but it's interesting how negatively the whole Doctor Who experience affected the family of one of the earliest contributors. The bloke's spectacularly bitter about the whole thing- the first clue is this from the initial statement...
It is by no means my wish to deprive legions of Doctor Who fans (of whom I was never one) of any aspect of their favourite children's programme.

...But a bit of digging brings up some truly saddening stuff.
A selection of tweets he made to his (dead) dad.

From his wikipedia user page.
The upshot of all this is that I have lived my life to a significant degree, in Tony's long shadow. The psychological damage he did to me has crippled and restricted me in ways I am only now beginning to deal with. For many reasons, both positive and negative, I wish he had lived on. For one thing, I have had to contend with the fact that the World in general thought him a fine fellow, which fact has continued to alienate me from pretty well all social institutions in general and so-called 'authorities' in particular. Because of Tony's profound parental incompetence, I quickly became a deeply angry young man and, far from mellowing, have become a much angrier man as I have gotten older. For one thing, if I could push a button and blow Vatican city and every catholic edifice and institution Worldwide to kingdom come, (along with churches, mosques, temples and synagogues everywhere) I would do so joyfully and without the slightest hesitation. In like manner, though for less seriously considered reasons, I profoundly dislike and intensely resent the institution that bloody awful cheesy 'Doctor Who' has become. Its continued existence at all, let alone its modern resurgence, fills me with gall. I refuse to watch it and try, as far as is possible these days, not to even think about it. If I could push a button and do what all the silly 'daleks' and even sillier 'cybermen' and stupid bloody 'sontarans' and the like continue (I'm told) without success to attempt to do and, once and for all kill off the bloody annoying 'Doctor' so as to have him disappear entirely from TV screens and schedules everywhere, I would similarly do so cheerfully and without an instant's hesitation save that necessary to briefly savour the moment.

Despite my declared wish to exterminate (this part at least of) Tony's legacy, I have perhaps paradoxically become deeply set on understanding his life and work and why he acted as badly as he did. In doing so I certainly have no particular 'axe to grind' in advancing either his reputation or his 'cause'. In addition to being my afflictor, now forever beyond my vengeful reach, he remains however, MY father. His works are MY father's works. His history is MY father's history. It bugs me, almost beyond belief, therefore to have to read the arrant rubbish that, due to his early involvement in 'Doctor bloody Who' rather than in any of the other infinitely more worthy and dramatically satisfying projects he was involved in, has been and still is written about him in one 'unreferenced' so-called 'work' or another on this or that aspect of that awful childish pap. I contend here, therefore, that unlike any of the various writers and so-called researchers who from time to time, in this publication or that, have presumed to comment, mostly without a shred of verification from anyone who actually knew and lived with him, on my father's life and work, that I am far more painfully and intimately well acquainted than anyone else, (with the sole exception of my mother) with the subject-matter of my various edits.
 
Sounds like an absolute twat. Well, sure, he's obviously got a lot of reasons to hate the Beeb or whatever but his bitterness isn't really founded. "Me and my father had a complicated relationship, therefore fuck the thing you enjoyed that he happened to be associated with!" Er, no?

The Who fandom seems to have a worrying habit of giving too much attention to the worst possible people. (Not that he's an attention seeker, but the fact this reached here means clearly he has somewhat of an audience.)
 
It won't be like that, I think. He might just end up learning about some of the things 11 has to go through, and comparatively 11's had a much rougher life (Manhattan, Demon's Run, his "death", Trenzalore) and naturally that all seems pretty scary.

Just look at 11's breakdown in TNotD when Clara says the word "Trenzalore" to him. All 11 needs to do is let the same word slip and 10 will probably be terrified.

You have a point with the S6 death stuff and Trenzalore. If 11 has an offhand line about dying and then seeing his own grave I guess that would scare the bejebus into 10. I'll still never be able to forgive TEOT though :)
 
...But a bit of digging brings up some truly saddening stuff.
A selection of tweets he made to his (dead) dad.
link said:
Stef Coburn ... responsible for An Unearthly Child not airing at the 50th anniversary
I wasn't aware of that.

You have a point with the S6 death stuff and Trenzalore. If 11 has an offhand line about dying and then seeing his own grave I guess that would scare the bejebus into 10. I'll still never be able to forgive TEOT though :)

Heh, maybe that's why
Tennant looks tired/tense
in the trailer.
 
I'd say more severely damaged. Tweeting a rant to your dad who's been dead for more than 15 years is not the preserve of the stable.

Oh, shit? Huh.

I dunno, he still shouldn't be writing hateful diatribes like that. If he's together enough to make a legal challenge I can't feel too sympathetic for his lack of perspective.

edit: Oh and if he's blocking broadcast of old episodes then I have zero sympathy.
 
Damn, that dude needs to talk to someone, I can understand having family issues, I think we've all had our share, but when you make everybody feel your pain by making legal challenges and not allowing An Unearthly Child air on it's 50th anniversary, that's where it's not ok.


Also a rumor related to missing episode finds from a reliable source:

The entire find is going to come in the form of a program presented by Zoe Ball
 
- That guy running away at 00:21 is a bit of a dead ringer for McGann!

People love to see things that aren't there in these trailers, but it looks a lot like him:

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I don't really get the hatred and debate over the Tenth Doctor's final line, really. It wasn't an attempt to sabotage Eleven or Moffat or whatever, it was just where that particular iteration of the character was. It was right, I think, for Tennant's self-loving, big-headed take on the character with all his swagger and the like. Smith's Doctor could never go like that purely because he's too flippant about everything. But the Tenth - he liked where he was, he liked who he was, he was selfish (a trait taken from Rose, perhaps), and he didn't want it to end. He's a man who already did something presumably very dangerous in order to have get-out clause from regeneration once, and he'd probably have done it again.

There's another factor as well, I think, which is age. Comparatively speaking the Tenth Doctor is probably the 'youngest' one to regenerate (though we don't know how old 9 really is, I suppose), and so that was a factor as well, probably. 11 has lived a couple of hundred years, so will probably be more at east. I don't think it's intended to say "the next guy is naff, I don't want to be him," and people turning the fact that they now meet to justify that vision of events is rubbish, I think. A bloke scared of change, as people often are.

Regarding stuff also mentioned above - it's interesting, thinking about the things they've been through. Maybe he's just emotionally 'harder', but for all the bad things Smith's Doctor has been through, he'd been relatively static emotionally throughout. He feels the same now as he did when he first arrived, whereas Tennant's Doctor really went from happy go lucky to utterly broken by the end of his time. Another interesting difference - and that's not just about Moffat & RTD, either, I'm sure.
 
Using up one of his regenerations to create the meta-crisis Doctor, I imagine.

I really hope its this.

It never sat well with me that the Tenth decided to use it to repair himself but not fully regenerate.

And with Moffatt saying we should count the regenerations, I'm hoping its boiling down to the fact Ten used one up on himself, because his words were:

"I didnt want to, why would I? Look at me!"

Which is about as vain as you can get if you know your going to change and you have the option of not doing so fully.
 
I don't know about you, but I don't know if we have a "main baddy". I know the Daleks and the Zygons, but none of those feel like the stakes are as high as they are.

I'd rather the rumored new Master or Kovarian again.

I'd go as far to say there isnt a baddy in the 50th.

He's facing himelf and a situation that he's been running from confronting for a long time rather than one main villan.
 
I don't really get the hatred and debate over the Tenth Doctor's final line, really. It wasn't an attempt to sabotage Eleven or Moffat or whatever, it was just where that particular iteration of the character was. It was right, I think, for Tennant's self-loving, big-headed take on the character with all his swagger and the like. Smith's Doctor could never go like that purely because he's too flippant about everything. But the Tenth - he liked where he was, he liked who he was, he was selfish (a trait taken from Rose, perhaps), and he didn't want it to end. He's a man who already did something presumably very dangerous in order to have get-out clause from regeneration once, and he'd probably have done it again.

There's another factor as well, I think, which is age. Comparatively speaking the Tenth Doctor is probably the 'youngest' one to regenerate (though we don't know how old 9 really is, I suppose), and so that was a factor as well, probably. 11 has lived a couple of hundred years, so will probably be more at east. I don't think it's intended to say "the next guy is naff, I don't want to be him," and people turning the fact that they now meet to justify that vision of events is rubbish, I think. A bloke scared of change, as people often are.

Regarding stuff also mentioned above - it's interesting, thinking about the things they've been through. Maybe he's just emotionally 'harder', but for all the bad things Smith's Doctor has been through, he'd been relatively static emotionally throughout. He feels the same now as he did when he first arrived, whereas Tennant's Doctor really went from happy go lucky to utterly broken by the end of his time. Another interesting difference - and that's not just about Moffat & RTD, either, I'm sure.

My problems with The End of Time aren't necessarily just the final line but the final line both in the context of the episode and the media furore at the time. At that point, for good reason, Tennant was pretty much a pop icon, and the build up to his exit was huge. By the time the episode rolled along I was personally bored of hearing about him, and how he was the greatest and how no one would ever come close. And so to have a good chunk of the actual episode dedicated to 10 discussing his own death, and how much he didn't want it to happen just came across as pandering.

I'm more than happy to believe that it was nothing of the sort, and taken out of that crazy build up it would've come across as a lot more sincere and grounded to the character, but at the time, along with that final line, it was just too much.

Also: potions.

But, anyway, this is about the 50th. I'm sure enough threads have been derailed with discussion of The End of Time over the years.
 
I meant at Christmas, but I agree. I love the concept of The Doctor being his own worst enemy.

Ah, then yea, at Christmas, I have no idea who would be the main villian, but given that they're saying it leads on from the 50th, I'm sure we'll get some hints.

I wonder if this will have another **** of The Doctor title.

We've had:

"The Name of The Doctor"
"The Day of The Doctor"

I'd suggest "The Death of The Doctor" but given it was used in the SJA and "Night of The Doctor" but thats been used for the mini-episode, so maybe something a little different.

Would give them lots of potential to release Blu Rays and DVDS as a Trilogy of events.
 
Ah, then yea, at Christmas, I have no idea who would be the main villian, but given that they're saying it leads on from the 50th, I'm sure we'll get some hints.

I wonder if this will have another **** of The Doctor title.

We've had:

"The Name of The Doctor"
"The Day of The Doctor"

I'd suggest "The Death of The Doctor" but given it was used in the SJA and "Night of The Doctor" but thats been used for the mini-episode, so maybe something a little different.

Would give them lots of potential to release Blu Rays and DVDS as a Trilogy of events.

Any excuse to squeeze more money out of DVD collectors! It would break the naming trend, but I fucking love "Twelfth Night" so much.
 
Any excuse to squeeze more money out of DVD collectors! It would break the naming trend, but I fucking love "Twelfth Night" so much.

Yea, "Twelfth Night" and "Silent Night" are the ones I would love to have.
Massive play on words and Christmassy to boot.

Or...

Twelfth Night of The Doctor
Silent Night of The Doctor

If they were going for the theme.
 

Forever

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The Twelfth Night will probably be the first episode of series 8, like The Eleventh Hour was the first episode of series 5.

If they keep the naming scheme for Christmas I'd guess something like The Fall of the Doctor.
 
Ah, then yea, at Christmas, I have no idea who would be the main villian, but given that they're saying it leads on from the 50th, I'm sure we'll get some hints.

I wonder if this will have another **** of The Doctor title.

We've had:

"The Name of The Doctor"
"The Day of The Doctor"

I'd suggest "The Death of The Doctor" but given it was used in the SJA and "Night of The Doctor" but thats been used for the mini-episode, so maybe something a little different.

Would give them lots of potential to release Blu Rays and DVDS as a Trilogy of events.
I had this idea a while ago, and I think it could be awesome to box together all of those episodes as a sort of "The Fall of The Eleventh" Box set.
 

Blader

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yeah, I think Matt's last ep will be another "____ of the Doctor"

"Twelfth Night" will probably be the name for Capaldi's Christmas special next year.
 
My problems with The End of Time aren't necessarily just the final line but the final line both in the context of the episode and the media furore at the time. At that point, for good reason, Tennant was pretty much a pop icon, and the build up to his exit was huge. By the time the episode rolled along I was personally bored of hearing about him, and how he was the greatest and how no one would ever come close. And so to have a good chunk of the actual episode dedicated to 10 discussing his own death, and how much he didn't want it to happen just came across as pandering.

I'm more than happy to believe that it was nothing of the sort, and taken out of that crazy build up it would've come across as a lot more sincere and grounded to the character, but at the time, along with that final line, it was just too much.

Also: potions.

But, anyway, this is about the 50th. I'm sure enough threads have been derailed with discussion of The End of Time over the years.

While I know it's slightly OT, I think it's better than bumping the S7 thread and having two Who threads up top again, but -- I mean, I agree about the potions and the books of Saxon (lol) and all that shit, but regarding him talking about his 'death'...? I don't know. I thought it was good stuff - how many shows have the opportunity to let a character muse on their mortality in a situation like that? It's something afforded by the relatively unique concept of regeneration and something the show hadn't really done before in that manner, so I appreciated it. The scenes where he's sitting alone with Wilf talking are honestly the best scenes in the episode and among the best in the show, I reckon.

I agree it was all exacerbated by the media frenzy, though. It's sort of why it's nice that Smith's era has been less frantically followed as a press darling.

Ah, then yea, at Christmas, I have no idea who would be the main villian, but given that they're saying it leads on from the 50th, I'm sure we'll get some hints.

I wonder if this will have another **** of The Doctor title.

We've had:

"The Name of The Doctor"
"The Day of The Doctor"

I'd suggest "The Death of The Doctor" but given it was used in the SJA and "Night of The Doctor" but thats been used for the mini-episode, so maybe something a little different.

Would give them lots of potential to release Blu Rays and DVDS as a Trilogy of events.

There was a rumour a while back that there'd be three '.... of the Doctor' episodes to form a trilogy of sorts, so this might pan out to be spot on...!
 

RetroMG

Member
Here's a random thought: What if Kovarian is a female regeneration of the Master?

Sorry, I've just spent way too much time at the Doctor Who Wikia.
 
Just put a preorder on The Day of the Doctor Blu-Ray. Can't imagine it ending up in any box set. At least not the Blu-Ray 3D version.

Not sure how they will handle the Christmas Special either.
 
Just to clarify - "Day of the Doctor" would take place, chronologically for Tennant (as it were) somewhere between "Waters of Mars" and "The End of Time" yes?
 
Just to clarify - "Day of the Doctor" would take place, chronologically for Tennant (as it were) somewhere between "Waters of Mars" and "The End of Time" yes?

That's what everyone is guessing, because Liz I, but I've already spotted a continuity error in the trailer. Tennant's Sonic is the series 1-3 variety, with the yellow handle, 3-5 had a white handle.
 

Quick

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Ah, then yea, at Christmas, I have no idea who would be the main villian, but given that they're saying it leads on from the 50th, I'm sure we'll get some hints.

I wonder if this will have another **** of The Doctor title.

We've had:

"The Name of The Doctor"
"The Day of The Doctor"

I'd suggest "The Death of The Doctor" but given it was used in the SJA and "Night of The Doctor" but thats been used for the mini-episode, so maybe something a little different.

Would give them lots of potential to release Blu Rays and DVDS as a Trilogy of events.

The End of The Doctor
The Fall of The Doctor
The Rise of The Doctor
The Food of The Doctor
 
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