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Doctor Who 50th Anniversary |OT| Splendid Chap, All Of Them

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Ein Bear

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I don't really believe that.

The coat thing is probably just a throwaway nod and wink. John Hurt's character complains about being cold or something, and the Doctor chucks him the coat to wear. They did say there'd be a nod to the 9th... could just be a little visual gag like that.
 
Here's a filming pic of John Hurt:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIFTgvDCMAA1-1U.jpg:large

Interestingly, he looks very much like he's wearing
the ninth Doctor's leather jacket



Here's a spoiler from someone who is usually very accurate at Gallifrey Base. It could be a HUGE, HUGE spoiler for the 50th or Series 7 finale or could be bullshit. Please spoiler tag any discussion related to it.


They are proposing that John Hurt is playing the ninth doctor. Not that Eccleston has been "erased from Doctor Who", but he would be the 10th, Tennant the 11th etc.
Something happened to the Doctor that was so traumatic he's suppressed the memory one of his incarnations.

I believe they posted that before the set pics from today with Hurt wearing the 9th's jacket.

After reading the first half of the post, I thought the spoiler would be that
John Hurt plays an older 9th, aged a few hundred years for some unnatural reason. I would have been more okay with that I think.
 

Avixph

Member
I don't really believe that.

The coat thing is probably just a throwaway nod and wink. John Hurt's character complains about being cold or something, and the Doctor chucks him the coat to wear. They did say there'd be a nod to the 9th... could just be a little visual gag like that.
Or maybe
John Hurt's character gives his coat to the 9th Doctor.
 

maharg

idspispopd
Depending on the why and how I'd totally be ok with that. If they don't do something kind of shocking for the 50th I'll be let down.
 

Ein Bear

Member
I know Moffat's gone on record as not liking the character, but I'd love it if they got John Simm's Master back for this. He was so great in the role, before he got bogged down in stupid writing. The Sound of Drums is pretty much gold all the way through.

"I could make the tea? Or isn't that American enough? I dunno, I could make Grits."
 
If John Hurt is the Ninth, then it is likely that in the 50th anniversary special, Moffatt will reveal that Richard E Grant's Great Intelligence was actually the Shalka Doctor all along!

He's upset he got written out of the canon!
 

Kuraudo

Banned
That rumour sounds fine to me.

It's not like Moffat would be shoehorning this into established continuity - there's a huge gap between the TV movie and the revival that allows for stuff like this to be added. Plus there's already precedent for the Doctor having memory issues around that time.

It'd also have interesting implications for the Fall of the Eleventh and who it actually pertains to.
 
Holy crap, I'd like that rumour.

People are seriously complaining about getting John Hurt as the Doctor?

The same poster said that McGann may well be appearing in series 7b. McGann appearing in the finale and regenerating into John Hurt would be a GREAT cliffhanger to take us forward.
 
Holy crap, I'd like that rumour.

People are seriously complaining about getting John Hurt as the Doctor?

Of course not. But if we're getting John Hurt as the Doctor I'd rather have it done properly rather than a retcon. Impossible now, of course, unless the show goes back to having not much running around or action or such, but still.

It's a big thing. Not gonna go down well at first, if it's true.
That said, it'd fit in with the rumours pointing towards us seeing 12 in the special- only 12 is Matt Smith.
 
Are there many cases in the new series where the Doctor explicitly talks about how many times he's regenerated that would contradict?

The main one I can think of is "Half a dozen times since we've last met," to Sarah Jane, but...
 
Actually, Smith's Doctor discovering that he only has one regeneration left out of the blue would be a superb direction to take the character in.
 

8bit

Knows the Score
Actually, Smith's Doctor discovering that he only has one regeneration left out of the blue would be a superb direction to take the character in.

Wouldn't that have him about to regenerate into the Valeyard?

Doctor Who 50th Anniversary |OT| Black bars as far as the eye can see
 
Actually, Smith's Doctor discovering that he only has one regeneration left out of the blue would be a superb direction to take the character in.

Moffat's called the limit a "Load of rubbish," I doubt he'd even address it. They've been pushing away from it for ages with tiny nods in dialogue. I assume that with Gallifrey gone, the limit is gone. The Master's dialogue in Last of the Time Lords and the nature of the Second Doctor's regeneration suggests that they enforced the limit as a law, not that it was a physiological limitation.

I personally think this'll end up being a David Morrissey Next Doctor thing, really. Misdirection. It'll be a red herring. Or perhaps there's going to be individual costume elements from each Doctor throughout the show - that UNIT scientist is supposedly actually wearing THE fourth Doctor's scarf, not just one that 'looks' like it, for instance.

Alternative theory: with Moffat embedding all these meta references to the series' real-world history, perhaps this story will deal with the real-life concept that there were several different 9th Doctors - Richard E. Grant's Shalka Doctor, several in novels/comics, and then at last Eccleston. Perhaps some of the other possibilities have fell through the maybe space into reality.
 

Ein Bear

Member
Are there many cases in the new series where the Doctor explicitly talks about how many times he's regenerated that would contradict?

The main one I can think of is "Half a dozen times since we've last met," to Sarah Jane, but...

He refers to himself as 'the Eleventh' in The Lodger, which I re-watched last night, funnily enough.
 

Avixph

Member
If John Hurt is the Ninth, then it is likely that in the 50th anniversary special, Moffatt will reveal that Richard E Grant's Great Intelligence was actually the Shalka Doctor all along!

He's upset he got written out of the canon!

Holy crap, I'd like that rumour.

People are seriously complaining about getting John Hurt as the Doctor?

The same poster said that McGann may well be appearing in series 7b. McGann appearing in the finale and regenerating into John Hurt would be a GREAT cliffhanger to take us forward.

Of course not. But if we're getting John Hurt as the Doctor I'd rather have it done properly rather than a retcon. Impossible now, of course, unless the show goes back to having not much running around or action or such, but still.

It's a big thing. Not gonna go down well at first, if it's true.
That said, it'd fit in with the rumours pointing towards us seeing 12 in the special- only 12 is Matt Smith.

These sound too wacky and dumb.
 

GSR

Member
Here's a spoiler from someone who is usually very accurate at Gallifrey Base. It could be a HUGE, HUGE spoiler for the 50th or Series 7 finale or could be bullshit. Please spoiler tag any discussion related to it.

They are proposing that John Hurt is playing the ninth doctor. Not that Eccleston has been "erased from Doctor Who", but he would be the 10th, Tennant the 11th etc.
Something happened to the Doctor that was so traumatic he's suppressed the memory one of his incarnations.

I believe they posted that before the set pics from today with Hurt wearing the 9th's jacket.

It's a cool idea, but
I can't see them adding another Doctor to the lineup before nine if only for logistical reasons. It could completely screw with the way the Doctors are referred to, unless they designated him a non-numbered Doctor with a special title, which is kind of weird in and of itself if he'd be appearing canonically as the Doctor and not something like the Valeyard.
 

Avixph

Member
It's a cool idea, but
I can't see them adding another Doctor to the lineup before nine if only for logistical reasons. It could completely screw with the way the Doctors are referred to, unless they designated him a non-numbered Doctor with a special title, which is kind of weird in and of itself if he'd be appearing canonically as the Doctor and not something like the Valeyard.
That's why it's dumb.
 

RetroMG

Member
Kind of a random thing that I was thinking about. I hear people occasionally say "Doctor Who?" is the first question asked in the series. It isn't. By a long shot. There are ten questions asked before the Doctor is even mentioned in the series, (Well, based on question masks. One of them is "Oh?") and the actual question "Doctor Who?" doesn't come up until episode two.

I thought it was interesting.
 

FillerB

Member
Kind of a random thing that I was thinking about. I hear people occasionally say "Doctor Who?" is the first question asked in the series. It isn't. By a long shot. There are ten questions asked before the Doctor is even mentioned in the series, (Well, based on question masks. One of them is "Oh?") and the actual question "Doctor Who?" doesn't come up until episode two.

I thought it was interesting.

"An Unearthly Child" didn't have a cold open. It started straight with the title sequence. And though the title does lack the question mark, it can easily be seen as a question when said out loud.
 
Regarding the rumor being discussed as of late,
I think it would somewhat unfairly devalue Eccleston's stint as The Doctor if they were to do something where there were multiple doctors between McGann and Tennant, even if I think that kind of story could be really interesting. The only way I see it being fair is if Eccleston is actually on board with the project, and that seems to be 100% not happening.

:(
 

maharg

idspispopd
Regarding the rumor being discussed as of late,
I think it would somewhat unfairly devalue Eccleston's stint as The Doctor if they were to do something where there were multiple doctors between McGann and Tennant, even if I think that kind of story could be really interesting. The only way I see it being fair is if Eccleston is actually on board with the project, and that seems to be 100% not happening.

:(

I don't really see why it would do that.
 
Mainly the impression one could take that
because Eccleston isn't interested in the 50th that Moffat and Co. would just add another Doctor that would be the "real Ninth".
Admittedly, it could be me just reading too much into things.
 
This is from The Daily Star, so.. truck load of salt and all that....


DOCTOR Who bosses have boldly gone and copied Star Trek in a bid to bring back all the old Time Lords for the show’s 50th anniversary special.

Viewers will see Matt Smith, 30, mingle with all the actors from the previous BBC series, including the late William Hartnell and Jon Pertwee.

TV chiefs came up with the plan, thanks to fellow sci-fi smash Star Trek.

In 1996, the cast of spin-off series Deep Space Nine had an adventure with the original Enterprise crew Captain Kirk and Mr Spock (William Shatner, 82, and Leonard Nimoy, 82) as they looked in the 1960s.

The show used hi-tech wizardry to digitally insert the young stars from Deep Space Nine into old footage from an episode called The Trouble With Tribbles, which aired in 1967.

Now BBC bosses plan to do the same. In November’s TV special to mark 50 years of Doctor Who, fans will see the current Doctor come face to face with all of the former Doctors who include Tom Baker, 79, Colin Baker, 69, and Peter Davison, 62.

He will be “placed” into clips from the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s to make it look as though he is really there and interacting with his old Time Lord selves.

Ex-Doctor Who star David Tennant, 42, is the only actor who will appear in the flesh in the episode.


And former show writer Robert Banks Stewart has let slip that as well as bringing back The Zygons, fans will see a carnival of monsters including Daleks and Cybermen.


http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/vi...l-Star-Trek-to-bring-back-the-old-Time-Lords/

Seems like it would be difficult when filming in HD and 3D, not to mention the sixties stuff being in black and white.
 

FillerB

Member
Unless they make it very, very meta (like the Doctor being aware that his whole universe is a tv-show) I don't see it happening either.
 

Quick

Banned
This is from The Daily Star, so.. truck load of salt and all that....





http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/vi...l-Star-Trek-to-bring-back-the-old-Time-Lords/

Seems like it would be difficult when filming in HD and 3D, not to mention the sixties stuff being in black and white.

No love for the Doctor Who Movie? :p

I can imagine 11 randomly popping in and shouting out "NOPE" when the 8 "reveals" he's half-human. Then we get confirmation from 8 that he was just bluffing. lol
 
On Hurt's costume:

Maybe Hurt is a bad guy? The Doctor's timeline is under attack and most of them, including Nine have sucumb or whatever?
No love for the Doctor Who Movie? :p

I can imagine 11 randomly popping in and shouting out "NOPE" when the 8 "reveals" he's half-human. Then we get confirmation from 8 that he was just bluffing. lol

I don't know why everyone gets confused over this. Eight was on the pull and wanted to introduce the idea of cross species relationships. Simple as that.
 

CorrisD

badchoiceboobies
Seems like it would be difficult when filming in HD and 3D, not to mention the sixties stuff being in black and white.
Yeah, the 3D makes this essentially impossible. Nice concept, though.

It's perfectly possible, whether it is actually going to happen is another question. Film itself can be converted to a higher resolution than HD so old episode would be fine if they have the original print, and I don't doubt they would come up with some reason for being in black and white but again we can colour stuff.

And as seen in films you can convert traditionally shot films into 3D if your willing to put in the money and time, and if they aren't you can just show it in 2D at that point. Technologically it is all perfectly possible, though with the BBC being so tight money wise and the time these things take, and the 50th is really only around the corner, I would take it with a massive grain of salt.

It would be neat though, the Star Trek episodes they did it in we're pretty cool.
 

Quick

Banned
It's perfectly possible, whether it is actually going to happen is another question. Film itself can be converted to a higher resolution than HD so old episode would be fine if they have the original print, and I don't doubt they would come up with some reason for being in black and white but again we can colour stuff.

And as seen in films you can convert traditionally shot films into 3D if your willing to put in the money and time, and if they aren't you can just show it in 2D at that point. Technologically it is all perfectly possible, though with the BBC being so tight money wise and the time these things take, and the 50th is really only around the corner, I would take it with a massive grain of salt.

It would be neat though, the Star Trek episodes they did it in we're pretty cool.

The question is: do they have the time and money from pre- to post-production to get it done?

Inserting Matt Smith into old film footage isn't new (The Impossible Astronaut), and it seems relatively simple in concept, but this is for an extended amount of time, rather than a few seconds, I'm assuming. Then there's the 3D work.
 
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mrklaw

MrArseFace
No love for the Doctor Who Movie? :p

I can imagine 11 randomly popping in and shouting out "NOPE" when the 8 "reveals" he's half-human. Then we get confirmation from 8 that he was just bluffing. lol

is he going to go back in time to Daleks Invasion Earth and notice Bernard Cribbins there and look all confused?
 
Holy crap, I'd like that rumour.

People are seriously complaining about getting John Hurt as the Doctor?

The same poster said that McGann may well be appearing in series 7b. McGann appearing in the finale and regenerating into John Hurt would be a GREAT cliffhanger to take us forward.

People are complaining about
the intensely stupid way they're writing it in, if that is the case.
 
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