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Doctor Who 50th Anniversary |OT| Splendid Chap, All Of Them

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SuicidalSteve

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Quick said:
The Doctor botches his regeneration into 12, and continues changing between 11 and 10 throughout the special, and finally completed it at the end of the anniversary special.
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Wait a minute is that why he has number 9's haircut right now....HOLY SHEEEEEEIIIT :O
 
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APZonerunner

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DoctorWho said:
"SO MUCH AWESOME! LOOK AT AT ALL THIS AWESOME!

I can't tell you what the awesome is."

Controversial.

11 is regenerating into 10.

I hope not. I would be for a cliffhanger regeneration though. Have 11's regeneration fail or go wrong and 10 is the star of the Christmas special and has to help complete the process. Maybe they can finally explain the Watcher from the 4th Doctor's regeneration while they are at it.
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I think the controversial thing will be something we have all pretty much worked out (John Hurt Doctor related). Still a theory, but a pretty certain one:

That Eccleston's Doctor is in fact the tenth regeneration, Tennant's the Eleventh, Matt's the Twelfth, with Hurt's Doctor between old and New Who, between the war, rejected from the title 'Doctor' by the others because of his violence.

That's a pretty big crater in the canon, but because it's been made pretty obvious already it's one the fans have already reacted to.
 
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Mariolee

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APZonerunner said:
I think the controversial thing will be something we have all pretty much worked out (John Hurt Doctor related). Still a theory, but a pretty certain one:

That Eccleston's Doctor is in fact the tenth regeneration, Tennant's the Eleventh, Matt's the Twelfth, with Hurt's Doctor between old and New Who, between the war, rejected from the title 'Doctor' by the others because of his violence.

That's a pretty big crater in the canon, but because it's been made pretty obvious already it's one the fans have already reacted to.
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So maybe that means when the Doctor regenerates this time he'll actually become the Valeyard, and that will be the controversial thing? Honestly, having the Valeyard appear in the Anniversary would be a perfect thing to do since there's no better way to celebrate the Doctor than having him fight his dark side. Though I guess they're already doing that with John Hurt doctor.
 
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Depending on how you look at it,
Hurt could be the regeneration BETWEEN Twelve and Thirteen. As in literally getting in the way/preventing him from regenerating.
 
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Sir_Crocodile

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APZonerunner said:
I think the controversial thing will be something we have all pretty much worked out (John Hurt Doctor related). Still a theory, but a pretty certain one:

That Eccleston's Doctor is in fact the tenth regeneration, Tennant's the Eleventh, Matt's the Twelfth, with Hurt's Doctor between old and New Who, between the war, rejected from the title 'Doctor' by the others because of his violence.

That's a pretty big crater in the canon, but because it's been made pretty obvious already it's one the fans have already reacted to.
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The more I think about it, there's a big problem here in that 9/10 are forever going on about how they did it. Doesn't really gel with 11 saying "he is my secret"...
 
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peanutbutterlatte

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I hope they don't kill Hurt off. I know he's getting older, but probably the best person to be playing a Who villain... ever.

I realize since he's a regeneration he will eventually be killed off
But c'mon if River Song keeps showing up like a bad rash, no reason he can't.

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The more I think about it, there's a big problem here in that 9/10 are forever going on about how they did it. Doesn't really gel with 11 saying "he is my secret"...
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I'm guessing Moffatt wants us to THINK it's about the Time War. Remember, Clara read a book about the Time War, and as you say, he's owned up to it plenty of times. I've said it before, I reckon he has to kill a companion to end some sort of evil. That way he's still doing things for "peace and sanity", but I reckon in reality The Doctor would rather the universe end than willingly kill or harm one of his followers.
 
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Sir_Crocodile said:
The more I think about it, there's a big problem here in that 9/10 are forever going on about how they did it. Doesn't really gel with 11 saying "he is my secret"...
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I don't really think it's a problem. Nine and Ten talk about that, yes, but they do so with regret. The Doctor has in the past mostly talked with deep regret, like his hand was forced. The secret might well be that during the war the Doctor was a bloodthirsty, nasty bastard, and that Hurt's Doctor wasn't a reluctant soldier but one who loved it. That would be the great shame for him; that he didn't feel remorse until after he popped into the ninth and his morality adjusted again, bringing with it survivor's guilt. That area of the war is blurry enough for that to fit. I don't think Moffat is using the war as a red herring, as in Series 5 and 6 he made active strides to distance his era from it, and then in the space of half a year has put it front and centre again. Not by coincidence, I don't think.

We have one thing I can think of that doesn't fit - a throwaway line about the Doctor trying to save Davros' life - but that's also said to be in the first days of the war, and so could just as easily have been the eighth.
 
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Exterminieren

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Please, please, PLEASE just ignore the Valeyard entirely. Don't even mention him. Pure shit character, pure shit concept. What they're doing with the Hurt Doctor seems far more interesting.

Besides, the Doctor doesn't "become" the Valeyard. It's a shade from between the twelfth and thirteenth incarnations, no more a Doctor than the Watcher or the Dream Lord.
 
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peanutbutterlatte

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"Fear me, I killed thousands of Time Lords"

"Fear me; I killed 'em all". [with a smile on his face]

Like you say, unwise to put too much emphasis on individual lines like that, but there are more that I can't recall right now. I really hope it has as little to do with the Time War as possible, as others have pointed out that's RTD's invention solely, The Hurt Doctor should really be something of Moffat's own volition.

Not to say that Moffat can't re-purpose the obviously canon Time War for his own means, but we've had all the Time War emotional reconciliation already. In Eccleston's Doctor, we've seen him being healed from that incident. It will be like watching a prequel; and I really dislike prequels. And without Eccleston and McGann on board, it won't be really filling in too many blanks anyway. Just my two cents.
 
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APZonerunner

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MasterBalls said:
"Fear me, I killed thousands of Time Lords"

"Fear me; I killed 'em all". [with a smile on his face]

Like you say, unwise to put too much emphasis on individual lines like that, but there are more that I can't recall right now. I really hope it has as little to do with the Time War as possible, as others have pointed out that's RTD's invention solely, The Hurt Doctor should really be something of Moffat's own volition.

Not to say that Moffat can't re-purpose the obviously canon Time War for his own means, but we've had all the Time War emotional reconciliation already. In Eccleston's Doctor, we've seen him being healed from that incident. It will be like watching a prequel; and I really dislike prequels. And without Eccleston and McGann on board, it won't be really filling in too many blanks anyway. Just my two cents.
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The funny thing is that Gaiman said he had to fight for that line as Moffat wanted to trim it from the series 5 version of the script to lower direct references to the Time War arc to distance Smith's Doctor from the guilt of the RTD era Doctors. He loosened the rules for 6. By 7, he seems to be embracing it, but I think it's because he's going to use the concept himself. It's the richest ground to be covered by the 50th thematically, and the most important event for newer Who fans. It also makes sense to do with Tennant, and would've made sense to do with Eccleston had he said yes.
 
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The Doctors - Matt Smith, David Tennant and John Hurt - will face the Daleks in the #DW50 special! More soon at http://bbc.in/NupXo6


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APZonerunner

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Yeah, the backpedal from Moffat & co was that the new Daleks were an "officer class" - ie the high ranking ones are the new design, the grunt soldiers are the old. In Asylum for instance there were a couple of White (Supreme) ones in the higher areas, and 1 red (Soldier) to every 50-100 gold ones, presumably as commanders. That gives them wriggle room to have them giving out orders in a war flashback, but god, I hope not. hate those things.
 
The Elite

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IGN Interview with Jenna Coleman.

IGN: Can you talk a little bit about what it's like for you as the crossover companion? Do you have anxieties about it? Are you looking forward to the transition?

Coleman: I'm looking forward to it. I mean I haven't really gone there in my head yet, because we've yet to cast the next Doctor and Matt and I haven't finished yet. You know we've got another episode to do together, and we're still very much Doctor and Companion at the moment, so I'm not there yet in my head. We've got the 50th, we've got Christmas, so even though it's not that far away, it feels that way at the moment. But it's exciting. I'm kind of looking forward to, in whatever way I can, helping a new Doctor come in and be able to play that iconic role and do his own thing with it. I'm looking forward to being able to be that person who can just be there with him, in the same way that Matt was with me.
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IGN: Of course there is a big discussion now about who the next Doctor ought to be. Do you have thoughts about who you'd like to see step in and be the Doctor?

Coleman: No, I don't. I think it depends on the actor, and how they come in and read, and what their take is. I think that it's such an interesting part because it's one of those iconic parts that everyone has an opinion on, but there's a million different ways to play that part. You can have a David Bradley, or you can have a Matt Smith, and it's still The Doctor. It's such a special quality. It's what Steven [Moffat] said about it, that part is basically everything at once: He's old, he's young, he could be a brother, an uncle, a grandfather, a friend. It's kind of this indefinable quality that is just Doctor; which is Doctor Who. I'm fascinated to see lots of different people read it, and I suppose it depends on which direction the show wants to go.
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IGN: Well as you were saying, we now know what "the impossible girl" is and that there are, or have been, multiple different versions of her. Going forward, is it just the one Clara?

Coleman: Well I suppose it's open. That's what's really interesting. Because like I say, we've done the 50th which is, though it does lead-off the end of last season, is kind of self-contained in a way. So it's kind of a blank canvas in a way. But the 50th leaves the whole show going in a very different direction. It's kind of a transformational episode for the show.

IGN: Really?

Coleman: Yeah, it's really...it changes things. It changes everything. Really. So we're kind of on this blank canvas. I don't know where Steven [Moffat] is going to take it. I don't know who The Doctor is going to be yet. I don't know what our relationship is going to be. You know it's completely open, but in theory it could be a new Clara for the new Doctor even. You know a Clara could pop-up at any time in theory. I don't know if they will or not. It's definitely something that's been set-up, though.
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infiniteloop

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Concerning another McGann prospect – and this is the more interesting possibility, I think – I did, some time ago, get a tip-off that the actor will appear in a minisode prologue to the 50th special, and that this little film would feature his regeneration into John Hurt’s form. The idea, I heard, was for this to drop sometime in early November, either on TV, in cinemas or on the BBC website. Or all of the above.
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This is the rumour that won't die.
 
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StalkerUKCG

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Fiction said:
Hmm...Gallifreyian writing on fire in the background.
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Looks like gallifrey being attacked during the time war.

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These are clearly very Gallifreyan looking, It doubt very much its going to be inside the Tardis and the Time War is such an important event surrounding 8,9,10 and 11 that it makes sense to show it finally.

I expect the final is something like 10 and 11 team up to stop 8 committing the crime he did in the time war. Ultimately they realize 8 did it for the betterment of the universe and then they have to undo what they did but they fail and the time war is reset.
 
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maharg

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I hope they don't show too much of it. There's no way that they could do justice to what amounts to a war of gods on screen.
 
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iMax

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infiniteloop said:
Concerning another McGann prospect – and this is the more interesting possibility, I think – I did, some time ago, get a tip-off that the actor will appear in a minisode prologue to the 50th special, and that this little film would feature his regeneration into John Hurt’s form. The idea, I heard, was for this to drop sometime in early November, either on TV, in cinemas or on the BBC website. Or all of the above.
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This is the rumour that won't die.
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Surely it'll be the pre-opening titles sequence?
 
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Boem

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iMax said:
Surely it'll be the pre-opening titles sequence?
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I know we should be happy to finally see Paul McGann in a (hopefully) properly written Doctor Who episode, but it'll be such a bummer if it's going to as short as the other mini-episodes created for the show. I mean, obviously everyone has their favorite Doctors and you can't please everyone in little over an hour, but that's going to be a very tough balancing act. I'm still going for all the Doctors having little cameos during the story with Smith/Tennant/Hurt having the lead roles, and (hopefully) all the Doctors in one room during the finale. It'll be hard to do well, and I know it goes against what Moffat has been saying (although he shouldn't be trusted about anything these days, which he even admits himself), but man, I'd go out of my mind with nerdy joy.

(Although I keep hyping myself up for all the classic Doctors appearing, every time I do so makes me realize that it's pretty damn unlikely. Oh well, I'm actually still pretty damn excited if it's going to be just Tennant/Smith/Hurt and some fun small references to the past, whatever they may be.)
 
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BBC Entertainment & Events is piloting a new show paying tribute to 50 years of Doctor Who.

The show will feature special guests and clips from Doctor Who and is looking for fans to be part of the audience. The show records at the BBC studios in Elstree on Sunday 4th August at 6pm. The production team is encouraging audience members to come dressed as their favourite Doctor, companion or character from the series but stress this is not compulsory.

Tickets, which are free, can be obtained from the BBC website. Under 18s must be accompanied by a parent or guardian and the minimum age is 10.
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StalkerUKCG said:
Looks like gallifrey being attacked during the time war.

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Eh1NUxr.png


These are clearly very Gallifreyan looking, It doubt very much its going to be inside the Tardis and the Time War is such an important event surrounding 8,9,10 and 11 that it makes sense to show it finally.

I expect the final is something like 10 and 11 team up to stop 8 committing the crime he did in the time war. Ultimately they realize 8 did it for the betterment of the universe and then they have to undo what they did but they fail and the time war is reset.
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infiniteloop said:
I'm going to be hugely disappointed if the plot revolves around the Time War.
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Nice, that's what I was thinking too. I would actually love to see more of the Time War. It's fascinating to me.
 
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infiniteloop said:
I'm going to be hugely disappointed if the plot revolves around the Time War.
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I thought it was pretty obvious some point of the 50th will involve the Time War, that is what Hurts Doctor seemingly ended, it wouldn't make sense to introduce the character for the 50th and not touch it at all.

maharg said:
I hope they don't show too much of it. There's no way that they could do justice to what amounts to a war of gods on screen.
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Indeed, though if the Time War was ever going to be on screen it should be during the 50th where I would hope they would have the money to at least pull something special off with it rather than just a typical episode and some iffy visuals.

Its perfectly possible we wont see the war itself at all and just follow the Doctor at certain points that relate to what 11 was talking about during the last episode.
 
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Bobby Roberts

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Rich at Bleeding Cool just said on twitter he's got a post scheduled for tomorrow w/ an update on who the next Doctor might be, plus news on that "missing episodes" story he's been following.
 
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APZonerunner

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Try not to get too excited until we actually get a BBC confirm/PR, though, as in the last week alone I've seen Blogtor Who say 75 minutes, a major UK newspaper say 60, and now this 90. Confusion! Hopefully they clear this up ASAP.

Simulcast is very cool news.
 
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CorrisD

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When are they gonna start filming Christmas episode? They will have to announce new doctor before that date.
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Not really, unless whoever it is has an extended part in the episode they only need to be there for one scene and that can be done at any time afterwards and filmed completely separately. Tennant for instance wasn't there when Eccleston left, and the only reason Smith was there when Tennant left was because they were blowing up the Tardis.

Saying that, obviously they will announce it beforehand, but if Moffat is to be believed the casting hasn't been finalised and signed by the actor yet, and then there is the PR preparation for the announcement to prepare beforehand too, along with some picture of the person in a costume they don't end up wearing, lol.
 
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Box of Bunnies

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I don't know that I buy that simulcast thing. That'd make it like 7 in the morning here and I can't see the ABC being up for that. Maybe putting it up on iView that morning then airing it properly that evening as they have been for the series just ended but I dunno.

I guess a 7AM premiere, with an encore in the usual timeslot could possibly happen given that it's a special event.
 
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Box of Bunnies said:
I don't know that I buy that simulcast thing. That'd make it like 7 in the morning here and I can't see the ABC being up for that. Maybe putting it up on iView that morning then airing it properly that evening as they have been for the series just ended but I dunno.

I guess a 7AM premiere, with an encore in the usual timeslot could possibly happen given that it's a special event.
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Wasn't the Lost finale simulcast live around the world?
 
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