Support NeoGAF

[OniBarubary]

Guess it's my own damn fault, but I'm super pissed off that the Dark Aeon shit just shows up during the normal sidequest section without any sort of warning or anything. I messed around with shit, did some random stuff and popped over to Besaid to pick up the last Al Bhed Primer I missed and BAM Dark Valefor, insta-wipe. Like, fuck me. Lost too much progress.

Then I got over it as I AP juked Dark Ixion.

 

[Wandering Soul]

Got to Mi'hen Highroad tonight. Beat the Luca Goers 3-2 first time through Really enjoying the game so far. It looks great, and overall I like the remastered audio. However, the Luca theme and Wandering Flame are definitely severe downgrades. Major disappointment.

Anyone know exactly how to get more ability spheres this early in the game? Are they just rare-ish drops from fights? Getting a lot of progress hampered on the sphere grid because of ability nodes and no spheres to unlock them.

 

[MSMrRound]

Anyone know exactly how to get more ability spheres this early in the game? Are they just rare-ish drops from fights?

Extract Ability (Wakka has it early on standard grid/Yuna if you are using Expert Grid). Either that or you can see if you are able to get your hands on any distill ability weapons.

 

[Skyfireblaze]

Anyone know exactly how to get more ability spheres this early in the game? Are they just rare-ish drops from fights? Getting a lot of progress hampered on the sphere grid because of ability nodes and no spheres to unlock them.

Hmm do you have the skill "Extract Ability"? If you use it you will get atleast one Ability Sphere after a battle

 

[Atlantis]

can someone advise me :is Lulu using double cast ultima with onion knight an effective strat ?

If am gonna suffer through getting the onion knight I gotta use Lulu man.

Using Ultima is a great strategy for the

Spoiler

dark Magus Sisters

. Don't use the Onion Knight though. Customize a weapon with Break Damage Limit, Magic Booster, Magic +20%, and Magic +10%.

Actually, I believe doublecasting Ultima actually does more damage than Quick Hit on most things over time, the problem is the long animation time.

 

[XJF]

Using Ultima is a great strategy for the

Spoiler

dark Magus Sisters

. Don't use the Onion Knight though. Customize a weapon with Break Damage Limit, Magic Booster, Magic +20%, and Magic +10%.

Actually, I believe doublecasting Ultima actually does more damage than Quick Hit on most things over time, the problem is the long animation time.

I ended up Doublecasting Flare on Dark Yojimbo. Slightly less damage, but the much faster animation more than makes up for it

 

[MaximumSpider]

Hmm do you have the skill "Extract Ability"? If you use it you will get atleast one Ability Sphere after a battle

I have no ability spheres but I need one for Wakka now.

 

[HeelPower]

Using Ultima is a great strategy for the

Spoiler

dark Magus Sisters

. Don't use the Onion Knight though. Customize a weapon with Break Damage Limit, Magic Booster, Magic +20%, and Magic +10%.

Actually, I believe doublecasting Ultima actually does more damage than Quick Hit on most things over time, the problem is the long animation time.

so 255 Magic with Onion isn't better ? Onion has 1 mp cost and is supposed to deal higher damage closer to MP no ?

I mean double casting ultima with magic booster will probably destroy MP.

 

[Atlantis]

so 255 Magic with Onion isn't better ? Onion has 1 mp cost and is supposed to deal higher damage closer to MP no ?

I mean double casting ultima with magic booster will probably destroy MP.

I believe the High MP -> More Damage is also only for physical attacks. Regardless, +20% and +10% Magic are more damage.

As for MP, throw a Three Stars. If your entire party is using Ultima, you can just use Copycat instead for 28 MP.

 

[Levyne]

Onto X-2



After I do some laundry and eat something.

 

[OmegaDL50]

so 255 Magic with Onion isn't better ? Onion has 1 mp cost and is supposed to deal higher damage closer to MP no ?

I mean double casting ultima with magic booster will probably destroy MP.

Yes, with Magic Booster spells are double the MP but are 50% more powerful.

In the case for Atlantis's advice, Ultima would cost 180MP (Onion Knight would only cost 2MP). I don't believe the Mag Bonuses stack beyond 255 MAG either.

There's also the fact that customized weapons don't have the hidden modifier that Celestial Weapons have in ignoring defense either.

 

[Atlantis]

Yes, with Magic Booster spells are double the MP but are 50% more powerful.

In the case for Atlantis's advice, Ultima would cost 180MP (Onion Knight would only cost 2MP). I don't believe the Mag Bonuses stack beyond 255 MAG either.

There's also the fact that customized weapons don't have the hidden modify that Celestial Weapons have in ignoring defense.

Celestial Weapons only ignore Defense, not Magic Defense. Magic +20% actually has nothing to do with your Magic stat, it's just increases the damage of your spells by 20%.

 

[OmegaDL50]

Celestial Weapons only ignore Defense, not Magic Defense. Magic +20% actually has nothing to do with your Magic stat, it's just increases the damage of your spells by 20%.

Hmm, ah, I thought the CW's had a flat reduction for all defenses and not just physical or magic. I'll need to investigate the damage algorithms chart.

Edit: I'm talking about this by the way - http://ximpulse.net/scripts/ffx/

You just punch in the numbers and it gives you a general break down of how much damage is inflicted with overdrives, magic, physical attacks, etc. You can put in various modifiers too like the ign. def effect of Celestial Weapons and so forth. It's what I use.

 

[CambriaRising]

Onto X-2



After I do some laundry and eat something.

Wow! Congrats! This is inspiring, to say the least.

 

[HeelPower]

I believe the High MP -> More Damage is also only for physical attacks. Regardless, +20% and +10% Magic are more damage.

As for MP, throw a Three Stars. If your entire party is using Ultima, you can just use Copycat instead for 28 MP.

I don't believe the Mag Bonuses stack beyond 255 MAG either.

There's also the fact that customized weapons don't have the hidden modifier that Celestial Weapons have in ignoring defense either.

Hmm, ah, I thought the CW's had a flat reduction for all defenses and not just physical or magic. I'll need to investigate the damage algorithms chart.

Celestial Weapons only ignore Defense, not Magic Defense. Magic +20% actually has nothing to do with your Magic stat, it's just increases the damage of your spells by 20%.

Guys I am so confused right now :v

 

[Manu]

1:45 AM. I got Anima and the Magus sisters, and Auron and Yuna's Celestial weapons. That's it for today.

Tomorrow it's grinding, and then I'm undecided whether to play blitzball and get Wakka's weapon, or just get to the end of the game already. Decisions, decisions...

 

[Levyne]

Well, I'll hope that an old 100% guide will do me okay. Apparently the new dress spheres are easy to obtain.

 

[OmegaDL50]

Guys I am so confused right now :v

Yeah I can confirm that Atlantis's info checks out.

Punching in the numbers for a Lulu who has 255 MAG and a weapon with MAG +10% and +20% casting Ultima which has a base power of 70 against a Jumbo Flan who has 80 MAG DEF.

Damage results are 121k to 137k (99,999 damage basically)

However with the Onion Knight damage is 93k to 103k* (anything over 99,999 is ignored)

IF you want to determine how much damage you are going to do, Refer to the FF Wikia for the Monster Stats and use the calc to punch in the numbers for the results - http://ximpulse.net/scripts/ffx/

 

[HeelPower]

Yeah I can confirm that Atlantis's info checks out.

Punching in the numbers for a Lulu who has 255 MAG and a weapon with MAG +10% and +20% casting Ultima which has a base power of 70 against a Jumbo Flan who has 80 MAG DEF.

Damage results are 121k to 137k (99,999 damage basically)

However with the Onion Knight damage is 93k to 103k* (anything over 99,999 is ignored)

IF you want to determine how much damage you are going to do, Refer to the FF Wikia for the Monster Stats and use the calc to punch in the numbers for the results - http://ximpulse.net/scripts/ffx/

um I think difference is kinda negligible...especially considering the potential of wasting turns to restore MP after using up 360 MP to DC ultima.

If I get the onion knight I'll use it. Thanks.

 

[Atlantis]

um I think difference is kinda negligible...especially considering the potential of wasting turns to restore MP after using up 360 MP to DC ultima.

If I get the onion knight I'll use it. Thanks.

Like I said, just toss a Three Stars and the MP isn't an issue.

On enemies with higher Magic Defense than Jumbo Flan, the difference is more apparent.

 

[XJF]

Gonna easily have this baby platinum'd by tomorrow night! Sphere grid is all laid out, just gotta have the rest of my people activate the nodes. Easy Peasy. Not sure if I'll start X-2 directly after or take a break for a week or so..

 

[B.K.]

Just two more zones to capture monsters in. I'll be glad to have that done.

 

[Levyne]

Paine's motions as a songstress are so goofy, haha

 

[cwistofu]

I'm at the Thunder Plains right now. I want to recruit Kiyuri for my BB team. Will I be screwed if I wait until later to go back and get her? AKA should I take the time to backtrack all the way back to Luca right now?

 

[bigbaldwolf86]

I'm at the Thunder Plains right now. I want to recruit Kiyuri for my BB team. Will I be screwed if I wait until later to go back and get her? AKA should I take the time to backtrack all the way back to Luca right now?

Anything blitzball only continues when you play blitzball. If you don't play until later on when you can recruit Kiyuri then you'll be fine. If you play blitzball then another team could sign her after a game. Hope that makes sense

 

[MSMrRound]

I got Attack Reels and Status Reels for Wakka. However, both the league and tournament are showing crap for prizes. Is there anyway for me to trigger a new set of prize list without having to pay through 10 games of blitzball for nothing? (Hoping I can avoid a complete blitzball reset since I'm starting to build up my team's level...)

 

[cwistofu]

Anything blitzball only continues when you play blitzball. If you don't play until later on when you can recruit Kiyuri then you'll be fine. If you play blitzball then another team could sign her after a game. Hope that makes sense

What I'm worried about is being blocked by a big 'dark' spoiler boss.

 

[ZeroX03]

I got Attack Reels and Status Reels for Wakka. However, both the league and tournament are showing crap for prizes. Is there anyway for me to trigger a new set of prize list without having to pay through 10 games of blitzball for nothing? (Hoping I can avoid a complete blitzball reset since I'm starting to build up my team's level...)

For tournament, you can reset the prizes by just going in and out of the Blitzball menu six times.

For league, you have to reset data. You lose all your players and levels, although you can just go an rerecruit them immediately.

What I'm worried about is being blocked by a big 'dark' spoiler boss.

Only blocks Besaid.

 

[MaverickHunterAsh]

He won't appear until you get the

Spoiler

Airship after Zanarkand

, as long as you didn't get the

Spoiler

airship

yet you'll be in the clear and can walk all the way back unimpeded.

Don't forget to pick up the Jecht Sphere from Besaid too! And Valefors second OD if you missed it the first time.

Might as well pick up some other Jecht Spheres too if you are going through al lthe trouble of backtracking to Besaid.

The problem is if you start backtracking

Spoiler

after the events in Macalania Temple

, you can only get as far as Guadosalam.

The only way you can get the Jecht Sphere in Besaid

Spoiler

without having to deal with Dark Valefor

is to backtrack the moment you beat Spherimorph. Once you start the events with

Spoiler

The machina boss after Rin's Travel Agency in Macalania

, you lose the chance.

Thanks! Looks like I won't need to restart, then. It's been a long time since I've played FF X, so I can't remember - is Tidus considered a guardian by that point in the game so you can freely re-enter completed temples? I know you're not allowed to re-enter temples before he's dubbed an official guardian.

 

[ZeroX03]

Thanks! Looks like I won't need to restart, then. It's been a long time since I've played FF X, so I can't remember - is Tidus considered a guardian by that point in the game so you can freely re-enter completed temples? I know you're not allowed to re-enter temples before he's dubbed an official guardian.

You cannot reenter the temple by the time of the Macalania backtrack.

You could try backtracking to Besaid immediately after Luca once dubbed a guardian and entering the temple, see if that works, but any later and they won't let you enter the temple, I tested personally.

 

[MaverickHunterAsh]

You cannot reenter the temple by the time of the Macalania backtrack.

You could try backtracking to Besaid immediately after Luca once dubbed a guardian and entering the temple, see if that works, but any later and they won't let you enter the temple, I tested personally.

Well, fuck. Guess I DO need to restart then if I want Anima (unless I want to grind out

Spoiler

Dark Valefor

). Damn.

 

[ZeroX03]

Well, fuck. Guess I DO need to restart then if I want Anima (unless I want to grind out

Spoiler

Dark Valefor

). Damn.

Just use Yojimbo. Problem solved.

 

[Crimsonlink]

After thinking about it, I'm gonna hunt down the Primers and restart. I'll power level to the end and skip the fluff. Screw treasures and weapons. Level up at the good places the most minimum I can until the Bevelle bridge.

 

[Big Papa Husker]

I just found Yojimbo. How much gil should I pay him? I just have over 500k.

 

[Saphirax]

I just found Yojimbo. How much gil should I pay him? I just have over 500k.

Try to get him to lower his asking price to 190k.

 

[Big Papa Husker]

Try to get him to lower his asking price to 190k.

I got him to 225k and then he declines. Also, if I lowball him and he accepts, does that lower my chance that he does Wakizashi?

 

[Dr. Benton Quest]

It is the highest order of bulllshit that I have to get better than 0.00 TWICE in the Damn chocobo race.

 

[ramyeon]

It is the highest order of bulllshit that I have to get better than 0.00 TWICE in the Damn chocobo race.

Why do you need to get it twice?

 

[Dr. Benton Quest]

I already got it once and it didn't give me the sigil.

 

[Levyne]

You must have gotten exactly 0.0

(

 

[B-Dubs]

Why do you need to get it twice?

You technically need to get lower than 0.00 so odds are he got it on the button, which won't give you the reward.

Would it have killed them to touch up the mini-game a bit? I feel like I have no control over the damn thing half the time and the other half the birds spawn on top of me.

 

[HeelPower]

Like I said, just toss a Three Stars and the MP isn't an issue.

On enemies with higher Magic Defense than Jumbo Flan, the difference is more apparent.

I guess so.

Dark Aeons have higher magic defense :s

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Just finished my fight with story spoiler

Spoiler

yunalesca

I forgot to buy holy water and I was slightly under leveled too.

Was a grueling fight but I somehow made it.

 

[Dr. Benton Quest]

You must have gotten exactly 0.0

(

Maybe I should just snap my vita in half then.

 

[Saphirax]

I got him to 225k and then he declines. Also, if I lowball him and he accepts, does that lower my chance that he does Wakizashi?

The way you do it is to look at his offering price - which is 250k. Offer half that + 1 gil (125001), by the third time his offer will be 190k.

The amount you get him for doesn't matter. You increase his compatibility through battles (and decrease).

 

[ramyeon]

You technically need to get lower than 0.00 so odds are he got it on the button, which won't give you the reward.

Would it have killed them to touch up the mini-game a bit? I feel like I have no control over the damn thing half the time and the other half the birds spawn on top of me.

Yeah, he said better than 0.0 twice though that's why I was confused, sucks for people who get exactly 0.0. I am definitely glad that never happened to me.

 

[Jacobbles]

Cheesed Nemesis with Zanmato. I probably could have done it myself, but 800k was a price I was happy to pay.

Now on to Dark Yojimbo/Anima/Sisters, then Penance. I should probably also finish the main story as well, though I imagine the final bosses there will be jokes compared to what I've put up with in the arena.

 

[MagicWithEarvin]

I was thinking of taking Kimahri down Rikku's path - yay or nay? I can get Steal/Use.

 

[LegendOfGood]

Onto X-2



After I do some laundry and eat something.

Nice! Were you able to do this in one play through?

 

[Big Papa Husker]

Cheesed Nemesis with Zanmato. I probably could have done it myself, but 800k was a price I was happy to pay.

Now on to Dark Yojimbo/Anima/Sisters, then Penance. I should probably also finish the main story as well, though I imagine the final bosses there will be jokes compared to what I've put up with in the arena.

What's the best/easiest way to get Gil? I'm just about to go through Gagazet.

 

[Jacobbles]

What's the best/easiest way to get Gil? I'm just about to go through Gagazet.

I've been going to Kilika, buying Tetra armour (2,000ish a piece), adding MP +30% to them, and selling them back for 34,000ish each.