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Ultimoo said:
Me neither. It's an In-House game with buddies from GAF, where everybody wins gold coins in the end, and the video in question just depict stuff that happens in basically every game that we play. Why this time deserves an apology or an MMR-e-peen contest, I have no idea.
You guys.
I don't think this is the right situation to bring this up to be honest. I remember this game (I've only played 7, :lol). It wasn't a case of Sanjay making his own decision (whether he was or wasn't is his call) vs Loki's, but more about the fact that Sanjay literally just stopped doing anything for the 5 or so seconds while Loki tanked the tower. Up until this point the game was in our favour and everything had been going smoothly too. Loki and Sanjay got into it on mumble and it was pretty heated between them before Kag was able to get them to calm down and move on. Thankfully we didn't throw or anything and closed it out or it could have been bad.
You're right, this isn't the type of thing that might warrant an apology, considering what we've seen from other people lately. At the same time, though, Sanjay might have pushed it with his own comments/sarcasm too so maybe Loki is within his own rights to ask for one. Besides/in any case, it's between them and again, I don't think it fits with what you're arguing Gues. I'm in agreement with what you're saying otherwise though, so don't take this the wrong way!
Guesong said:
I don't think this is the right situation to bring this up to be honest. I remember this game (I've only played 7, :lol). It wasn't a case of Sanjay making his own decision (whether he was or wasn't is his call) vs Loki's, but more about the fact that Sanjay literally just stopped doing anything for the 5 or so seconds while Loki tanked the tower. Up until this point the game was in our favour and everything had been going smoothly too. Loki and Sanjay got into it on mumble and it was pretty heated between them before Kag was able to get them to calm down and move on. Thankfully we didn't throw or anything and closed it out or it could have been bad.
Guesong said:
You're right, this isn't the type of thing that might warrant an apology, considering what we've seen from other people lately. At the same time, though, Sanjay might have pushed it with his own comments/sarcasm too so maybe Loki is within his own rights to ask for one. Besides/in any case, it's between them and again, I don't think it fits with what you're arguing Gues. I'm in agreement with what you're saying otherwise though, so don't take this the wrong way!
Sebulon3k said:
yoh swag. thank you so much for detailing every furious moment at that time. I explained all these to sanjay but i got sarcasmed back?
I forgot about this tbh but seems sanjay thinks he was right and tries to troll me? get facepalmed sanjay. you're wrong. read the advice for mrmister and lets see if you're gonna apologize. if not GTFO of my face ok?
loki_demi said:
Yeah that was pretty much the point, at no point did I hear the words "sanjay tank this tower I want to quickly take it down" I mean your a pro level player, just give simple like orders to us grunts.
The best way for me to explain what happened
1.Loki repeatedly says "hello"
2.I press hold on my character to see what was happening mid lane as I see enemies dots on a friendly, I look some and realize I can't help to tp there as mid tower was gone.
3.Back on my character, loki is fuming hellos.
4.SUP loki, ooo friendly creep wave, lets dive this shaman, man loki will be impressed with this kill.
5.loki dies.
6.oh boy.
7.loki gets mad.
8.why you mad Loki, not like you gave me instructions.
9.I don't really recall what loki was saying word for word after his death but most of it was nonsense driven by rage.
10.I did try to have a formal disccusion, asking what did you want me to do and why did you not just tell me what to do instead of constantly saying hello.
11.And then it came, eat a dick.
10.Bigger man, went under the radar for the rest of the night on mumble.
I'm sorry I could not read your mind. So then I do apology your holiness for not being telepathic.
And if this offended you? grow some.
Sebulon3k said:
You tell me to do something, I will do it. But you say hello to me, not so much. Oh we did have wards, shows up as a red dot on the map on replays btw.
Guesong said:
My god Guesong, some one who understands the premise of my point, but how is this possible? hes learning tier, or is he?
To the bold part, Loki did not give me orders to attack the tower or what ever, if he did I would go head first. I guess they are twins.
That's the problem I had with Loki and tried to argue my point after his death but to deaf ears.
Thor "I expected you guys to make your own decisions once in a while and not ask me".
If Thor said this then hes so wrong. You do not make your own decisions in a team game, this is what costs you games. No matter at what level you look at, anything that is competitive and is team focused, there will always be people giving out orders. Do you know why? because its a team game and not solo.
Sebulon3k said:
That play was great, in some other community based world that the dice that rolled, valk used her ulti and we all got away safe.
Ultimoo said:
Well we are adults here and don't only read ponygaf and have every post be a catchphrase that starts with Get & Only.
But I do love you other then this post that says otherwise.
And just to be clear, Loki, YOU DID NOT GIVE ME ORDERS.
Teknopathetic
Member
Edit:
1. Sanjay, you're right under a tower. If someone TP'd to that tower from off vision and they went on you, you would've gotten trucked because you're not watching/ There are times where you just have to rely on the minimap alone and listen to your team mates for if you need to TP. Also, even if you were looking to see if you needed to TP or not, you should've been able to tell at a glance whether there was enough health/people there to successfully defend it or if you should just go for the trade/kill.
2. This is just going off Sanjay's version of the story, but if Loki just said "Hello? Hello?" that's just not enough. I'm only really posting this point because this happens to be a pet peave of mine, but I hate when people are trying to get you to do something but don't sufficiently communicate what they're actually trying to get you to do. Yes, you can't hold people's hands or control their character for them while you're playing the game, but if you're trying to get someone to do something but they're not doing it, then they obviously have a differing opinion of what is the best action at that point (or just not paying attention) and you should say what you want to convince them, not QQ after its over. Yes there are times when its just a short moment and there's not enough time and you need someone to instantly realize the opportunity, but there's 5 different brains on your team, they're not always going to be in sync.
3. So Neki doesn't have to post it: HonGAF gonna HonGAF. Get Salty. Only the saltiest players in HonGAF. Big salts! Daaaaaaamn.
1. Sanjay, you're right under a tower. If someone TP'd to that tower from off vision and they went on you, you would've gotten trucked because you're not watching/ There are times where you just have to rely on the minimap alone and listen to your team mates for if you need to TP. Also, even if you were looking to see if you needed to TP or not, you should've been able to tell at a glance whether there was enough health/people there to successfully defend it or if you should just go for the trade/kill.
2. This is just going off Sanjay's version of the story, but if Loki just said "Hello? Hello?" that's just not enough. I'm only really posting this point because this happens to be a pet peave of mine, but I hate when people are trying to get you to do something but don't sufficiently communicate what they're actually trying to get you to do. Yes, you can't hold people's hands or control their character for them while you're playing the game, but if you're trying to get someone to do something but they're not doing it, then they obviously have a differing opinion of what is the best action at that point (or just not paying attention) and you should say what you want to convince them, not QQ after its over. Yes there are times when its just a short moment and there's not enough time and you need someone to instantly realize the opportunity, but there's 5 different brains on your team, they're not always going to be in sync.
3. So Neki doesn't have to post it: HonGAF gonna HonGAF. Get Salty. Only the saltiest players in HonGAF. Big salts! Daaaaaaamn.
Procarbine
Forever Platinum
Did you really just take a shot at Neki for no reason? Goddam.
Guys, can we try to leave some of this salt in game? There's no need to make a scene.
Guys, can we try to leave some of this salt in game? There's no need to make a scene.
Now, I don't wanna act like I don't ask the kagbros for advice, because I do it a lot, but you have to realize there's a point where they cant be answering questions and have to focus on what they're doing, and this is where your own decision making comes into play. You can't completely rely on them to tell you everything to do, you have to make some choices on your own. The whole 'teamgame' vs solo thing, If you expect them to tell you what to do every step of the way, how is that any less of a solo game than them telling you nothing?Sanjay said:
shoutouts to swiftlame, #1 soloplayer cy@
Cold blooodedddddSanjay said:
Teknopathetic
Member
Okay, finally got home and edited the post.
PillowKnight
Member
I laughed way too hard.Tomat said:
PuppetYuber
Banned
yo this sucks, i keep missing awesome drama.
someone go propose to HBO to make HonGaf of our lives.
Sanjay, moody is 100% right on that matter. Loki simply assumes that you played the game long enough to know what to do under that circumstance (I would too). You hold position for no reason for half of that video, then finally decides to take initation. You coulda either attack the tower, or just initate. Next time, just tell him you had pop up or something. ezpz
someone go propose to HBO to make HonGaf of our lives.
Sanjay, moody is 100% right on that matter. Loki simply assumes that you played the game long enough to know what to do under that circumstance (I would too). You hold position for no reason for half of that video, then finally decides to take initation. You coulda either attack the tower, or just initate. Next time, just tell him you had pop up or something. ezpz
Teknopathetic said:
Well I was Kraken, some one jumps on me its a free initiation for me but yeah I should be using the side things more. I guess the shock was seeing no tower, I would have been able to help if there was one, should have been keeping track of towers, I just assumed we had one.
Teknopathetic said:
A pet pee of mines too and why I tried to argue afterwards.
bzm said:
I'm not really arguing for advice like asking for game information during a game, but stuff like when to go in, who to attack etc is vital information where no information results is bad results most the time.
Also by having such orders will never result in rage salt etc, It will all ways be sorry I thought it would work etc and no one will be mad. I guess having accountability in it self is to much pressure for the top players, but I frankly would never care if it goes wrong, your either all in or out in a teamgame with no blame game going on.
Sebulon3k said:
Sigh. If I did push like Loki wanted to then It would have been me who got hit by the tower then hellbourne comes in and kills me and valk leaps away, the end happy story. Noob got killed, Sanjay going to Sanjay. I would not QQ to Loki as I know the roles and he was the agility hero.
PillowKnight
Member
Okay, you all got me to watch that stupid video.
It doesn't seem to me that sanjay did anything wrong. Looks like a miscomunication, on top of that there's no way you were gonna fight 3v2 or 4v2. It was a misplay from loki(not leaping away in time after the arrow wiff), he could've done that and left sanjay to die, really was the only thing to do.
It doesn't seem to me that sanjay did anything wrong. Looks like a miscomunication, on top of that there's no way you were gonna fight 3v2 or 4v2. It was a misplay from loki(not leaping away in time after the arrow wiff), he could've done that and left sanjay to die, really was the only thing to do.
PuppetYuber
Banned
why would you take PillowKnight's comment seriously, look at his ranking in IHL
why do black people slap each other?
why do black people slap each other?
PillowKnight
Member
PuppetYuber said:
Who would you rather listen to, dude who rage quit uninstalled hon, or dude who made dude ragequit uninstall hon.
Just reading this thread is as entertaining as playing.
Edit for substance: Moody sums it up pretty well. If there wasn't a clear command given to Sanjay on Loki's intentions then they are both at fault.
The tower definitely should have fallen, given the mini-map info that HB had at the time, even if TPs from bot were coming in valk and kraken can escape easily. I would have arrowed Dsham when he got stuck on those creeps, though. The lowest mmr player in HoN would then understand to also attack.
Edit for substance: Moody sums it up pretty well. If there wasn't a clear command given to Sanjay on Loki's intentions then they are both at fault.
The tower definitely should have fallen, given the mini-map info that HB had at the time, even if TPs from bot were coming in valk and kraken can escape easily. I would have arrowed Dsham when he got stuck on those creeps, though. The lowest mmr player in HoN would then understand to also attack.
Procarbine
Forever Platinum
PuppetYuber said:
You don't slap a man.
PillowKnight
Member
Just realized i fell down to last place of the IHL ladder.
Anyone wanna give me some hon lessons?
Anyone wanna give me some hon lessons?
PuppetYuber
Banned
Sure, go to Control Panel >> Uninstall Programs >> Select HoN and hit OK.
First lesson is free of charge, if you need further lessons it will be $25/hr
First lesson is free of charge, if you need further lessons it will be $25/hr
Sanjay said:
To those other people commentating without proper assessment of the situation
I'll make it clear on these points.
okay. look at your items. 1.5k life. level 5 dsham on our lane. 4 people in our minimap with CLEAR vision on were they were. we had wards if ever they were walking or even tping since we were in front of the tower.
Pillow. Sanjay goes in on demented shaman. i want to help the dive by trying to stop pebbles BECAUSE AS WE CAN SEE WITH OUR 2 WARDS THAT THEY WERE GOING TOP AND SANJAY DIVES!?!?! WTF IS THAT SHIT.
Dont tell me i'm wrong because if you guys watch the video that sanjay posted It clearly shows him being idle and idiotic in his decisions.
PuppetYuber said:
PillowKnight said:
After what pillow said. I really believe you're right puppet. Watch my movements pillow maybe you can see my hesitation on sanjay diving when we can see clearly that pebbles and predator incoming. Yes it was a misplay by me because i wanted to help sanjay but since you guys are telling me its really my fault for not leaping away then i should go to the conclusion that sanjay's gonna sanjay? meaning he just goes in whenever theres 3 people incoming to our disadvantage AMIRITE?
gg thanks for the input guys but id rather not talk about stuff that was forgotten by me long before.
I'll just stick to what i said before and never play with sanjay again.
PillowKnight
Member
Let's do a bit of math.loki_demi said:
Max pebbles combo +auto attacks(After dmg reduction from armor, vanguard, mystic vestments) : around 900 dmg.
Max dmg pred leap+two auto attacks: around 400 dmg.
Both of these values are on the high end of what they would actually deal.
Both of these are probably on the high end. Sanjay could have survived the pebbles combo, the pred follow up, and still walked away with about 200 hp. Had you leapt away in time and deflected the pebbles combo onto kraken, you may have just been able to pull off some kind of counter initiation on them while their skills were on CD.
The guy who tp'd(Foresaken archer) actually died before finishing the tp, so sanjay's crazy dive actually cost them a death on their carry.
I'm sorry loki. But this is a case of when manning up goes right. Granted, Sanjay prob went in because of bad map awareness, but it worked out.
Sanjay said:
Just for the record to you sanjay and the other people who agrees with him.
Match id : 64467122
Download replay and start watching from 19:00.
Me not telling sanjay not to push?
hmm maybe the ping and typing p wasn't enough. with sanjay skill level maybe i shoulda paused and told him the plans to push right guys?
Lone_Prodigy
Member
I haven't watched the replay, but it seems like you guys are making mountains out of molehills. People make mistakes. Learn from them and move on.
Ultimoo said:
Woooo first soulstealer immortal (in the 1600 bracket /flex). I think this is the first immortal I didn't have to rush to. I was two shotting these guys for 30 minutes and alumnus/neki were just pkeying in on magmus and behe, and they waited for us to well camp them and kill their tree. So nice.
btw puppetyuber, alumnus and neki don't complain when they go in, ulti, and die, after which I finally sweep in to take all the kills and glory. suck it.