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Heroes of the Storm |OT2| Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery
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Familienoberhauptvogel
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just open the snipping tool that's baked into windows instead, saves all the cropping.
Yeah they wrecked my "hometeam" of Penn earlier. First game wasn't a complete blowout, but the second wasn't even close.
I also just realized the finals in Korea are going to be starting at 10pm local time on Thursday, Friday, and Saturday night. Not sure how quick the VODs are posted, or if I'm just going to ruin my sleep schedule over the weekend.
Fine Ham Abounds
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I haven't been paying attention to anything or following the last pages of this thread, but I just read on national news of all places that Harvard was disqualified for cheating in Heroes of the Dorm, and had to come here to laugh because I don't know anyone else who cares
It almost feels like they should somehow. Maybe when season finally rolls with the new ranking system? There will have been so much changed and improved since launch at that point. Dunno the best way to do it though
They need to let Overwatch have it's time in the limelight for a bit. Then I imagine they will do some sort of "relaunch" event. Probably another sweet event like the diablo thing they did.
Feels dead? Wut? How? The game is doing just dandy. Dunno where'd you get that.
The talk about "relaunching the game" is just longterm players joking about how the upcoming patch basically makes a lot of changes that have been long requested and therefore shifts the game to "2.0".
I'm sure there will be more events. A "relaunch", though? I dunno bout that. The game is doing fine. I think branding something as a relaunch would likely hurt as much as it would help at this point.
should've clarified I agree the game isn't dead, I never have trouble finding a match and the community is active. but there's just been so much improved that drawing attention to it after the ranking system is live might be a good thing, maybe not a "relaunch" per se but a big event and some advertising
Oh I'd just about bet they will do something to that effect. They need something to attempt (to again) entice MOBA vets to come back or give the game a shot and perhaps slice off another 2-5% of players that don't have time or the skills for the bigger games. Whether it works or not, or is even a good idea, I don't know...but I'd imagine they will give it a go.
I thought you guys were implying something like Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn after Final Fantasy XIV.
EDIT: I honestly don't think it's out of the limelight at all, though. Being a Blizzard game I feel like it's very well known and most of the players they pull will likely be players who play other Blizzard games. It just is what it is. Only a certain subset of other gamers and a subset of MOBA gamers are going to like this stripped down version of what they play. I'm not sure having grandmaster league and bans are going to be the difference for those people. They see no items and no last-hitting and think WTF still nearly a year into launch and two years into the game being out in Alpha.
I thought you guys were implying something like Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn after Final Fantasy XIV.
EDIT: I honestly don't think it's out of the limelight at all, though. Being a Blizzard game I feel like it's very well known and most of the players they pull will likely be players who play other Blizzard games. It just is what it is. Only a certain subset of other gamers and a subset of MOBA gamers are going to like this stripped down version of what they play. I'm not sure having grandmaster league and bans are going to be the difference for those people. They see no items and no last-hitting and think WTF still nearly a year into launch and two years into the game being out in Alpha.
you know what continues to tilt me? why the hell do they have the shitty hero classifications that fuck up QM when you want to play heroes like rexxar, sonya, artanis or tassadar.
it's so fucking lame. like sonya is a melee assassin, why isn't she classified as a melee assassin? Rexxar is a specialist, why can't we play these heroes in QM? WHY?
they know it's fucked up. it's as simple as changing the damn tag and then these heroes are playable in QM.
someone tweet browder pls.
like they completely changed tass/tyrande instead of just renaming the classification for them. why would they do that?
it's so fucking lame. like sonya is a melee assassin, why isn't she classified as a melee assassin? Rexxar is a specialist, why can't we play these heroes in QM? WHY?
they know it's fucked up. it's as simple as changing the damn tag and then these heroes are playable in QM.
someone tweet browder pls.
like they completely changed tass/tyrande instead of just renaming the classification for them. why would they do that?
Familienoberhauptvogel
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That was a good change in retrospect.
EU uses solo Tass in tournaments all the time. And Tyrande is still perfectly fine for solo healing in the pleb queues. They didn't gut her at all. She's one of the few heroes they nerfed properly, just a few number tweaks across the board.
To be clear, I can't solo Tass and make it work in QM to save my life. But others can. I just classify him in the Gazlowe range. You play him if you're really good solo or otherwise you wait til you have a group. It's alright having heroes like that IMO. I don't really have any issues with Tyrande then or now though. I just stopped playing her cause she's 10.
To be clear, I can't solo Tass and make it work in QM to save my life. But others can. I just classify him in the Gazlowe range. You play him if you're really good solo or otherwise you wait til you have a group. It's alright having heroes like that IMO. I don't really have any issues with Tyrande then or now though. I just stopped playing her cause she's 10.
she's completely different since they made her solo heal viable. for the worse imho. for the hero and the game.
but that's not the point of complaint.
why can't they just change one word on the hero bio's? like seriously why is sonya still listed as a warrior for fucks sake?
They like hearing your qq I guess
Also don't get how she's completely different. Unless you just dug the OG Shadowstalk. Pretty much everybody never took it before the change, however, so not sure that counts.
they redid her entire talent tree which is how she's completely different.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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At the time the situation was already better but the game was still hurting for supports, changing them to be viable solo was good for the competitive scene and tyrande and tass can both still perform really well when you get them soloqueueing in QM, tass in particular. It's stressful af but he's very good.
Before the changes Tyrande wasn't trash tier but she wasn't anywhere close to being good, shadowstalk was also used close to never. The new stalk is lots of fun even imo.
People literally used the same build post patch (with swapped ults) as they did pre-patch. Basically line by line. I just don't see the complaint man.
What talents were changed that you are missing? Examples? The only regularly used talent I can think of that I personally missed was the bigger radius on her stun, but it was kind of obvious why that had to go.
tyrande is not even the point of the conversation.
the whole point was that they would rather completely change heroes instead of just admitting their mistake and fixing the classification.
like I'm gonna sit here and say why wont they just change one word and call sonya a melee assassin instead of a melee warrior because that's actually what she is, and then bliz is just gonna remove all her damage change her talent tree and give her a longer stun and more HP and be like: "there fixed it".
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I'm pretty sure you're talking about a different patch.
they baked in radius so it doesn't really matter.
you used to be able to talent for lunar flare in a way that you cant do anymore since they gutted her lvl 13 tier talents for healing
the whole point was that they would rather completely change heroes instead of just admitting their mistake and fixing the classification.
like I'm gonna sit here and say why wont they just change one word and call sonya a melee assassin instead of a melee warrior because that's actually what she is, and then bliz is just gonna remove all her damage change her talent tree and give her a longer stun and more HP and be like: "there fixed it".
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I'm pretty sure you're talking about a different patch.
they baked in radius so it doesn't really matter.
you used to be able to talent for lunar flare in a way that you cant do anymore since they gutted her lvl 13 tier talents for healing
That's a bit dramatic, lol. Tass and Tyrande do still function more or less as they always have. They just function the other way too now. I don't see that as a bad thing at all.
Regarding the classification thing, I've always agreed on that. They should change it, but clearly they aren't going to so I dunno what to tell you. The only hero it ever bothers me on personally when I play is Tassadar nowadays. The other heroes have been pretty solid for solo Q play in my experience for a while now due to their power level.
Regarding the classification thing, I've always agreed on that. They should change it, but clearly they aren't going to so I dunno what to tell you. The only hero it ever bothers me on personally when I play is Tassadar nowadays. The other heroes have been pretty solid for solo Q play in my experience for a while now due to their power level.
Solo Tass/Ty being as common as they are is a bad thing- I'm with Ketch here. They changed both for the worse- there's not enough of a downside for picking one as a healer in competitive play now.
BTW- the Vampiric->Vigorous rename is the most ridiculous thing ever- the new name doesn't communicate the ability. Is this another China thing? (Or is there a Vamp hero coming up?)
BTW- the Vampiric->Vigorous rename is the most ridiculous thing ever- the new name doesn't communicate the ability. Is this another China thing? (Or is there a Vamp hero coming up?)
I presumed it's a combo of an upcoming vampiric hero, and also that heroes with guns somehow having 'vampiric' abilities was silly.
Artanis can solo tank BTW - he doesn't need his classification changing. Since they buffed his shield talents he can be built quite sturdy. He's still unmitigated crap to play and unfun, but he isn't incapable of doing the role like Sonya is.
Artanis can solo tank BTW - he doesn't need his classification changing. Since they buffed his shield talents he can be built quite sturdy. He's still unmitigated crap to play and unfun, but he isn't incapable of doing the role like Sonya is.
Huh? Ketch was talking about Artanis not being a warrior, I was responding that he can be. He's not great at it, and his kit is still freaking awful, but he is actually viable in a bad way as a solo tank. But then most warriors in the game are not great at solo tanking.
And not sure why his kit actually makes sense as a bruiser - he has one CC ability that places him in the very middle of the enemy team, and a trait that is defined by being a tanking ability. His kit overall is a complete mess and one of the worse designed heroes in the game, but I don't think he screams melee assassin like Sonya does. He actually screams 'we have no fucking clue what this hero is suppossed to do' to me... ;-)
And not sure why his kit actually makes sense as a bruiser - he has one CC ability that places him in the very middle of the enemy team, and a trait that is defined by being a tanking ability. His kit overall is a complete mess and one of the worse designed heroes in the game, but I don't think he screams melee assassin like Sonya does. He actually screams 'we have no fucking clue what this hero is suppossed to do' to me... ;-)
Nope sorry, I didn't catch that!
Arthas is odd. Him and Stitches are the only warriors at the pro level who we see solo tank outside of the big three (ETC, Muradin, Johanna). I know a couple of pro's have said that all he needs is a couple of small number tweaks and he'll be a top tier main tank.
Arthas is odd. Him and Stitches are the only warriors at the pro level who we see solo tank outside of the big three (ETC, Muradin, Johanna). I know a couple of pro's have said that all he needs is a couple of small number tweaks and he'll be a top tier main tank.
When they did the rework they screwed up his numbers on Army- it didn't provided enough self-sustain to do what it needed to do anymore.
I don't even think it's that number that's key - it's the time to summon them, and then the delay between eating each ghoul that causes the issues for me. It's just too long to gain full effect from it, I can't remember which tank (Erho?) said the same, but the ability just feels incredibly unresponsive now.
Fixed2BeBroken
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I can't believe the matchmaking is still atrocious.
One match where it was 5 assassins vs chogall, abathar, jaina and xul.
needless to saay, chogall and team got scraped. it was the dumbest thing ever.
another match where its 2 tanks and 3 assassins vs abathar, xul, 1 tank and 2 assassins.
how are u going to give a team 2 specialists when the other team has none.
just dumb shit.
One match where it was 5 assassins vs chogall, abathar, jaina and xul.
needless to saay, chogall and team got scraped. it was the dumbest thing ever.
another match where its 2 tanks and 3 assassins vs abathar, xul, 1 tank and 2 assassins.
how are u going to give a team 2 specialists when the other team has none.
just dumb shit.
Two specialists versus none is fine (sometimes I'd want that team!) but I don't get how you geto Cho'gall versus a 5 assassin team. That shouldn't happen?
But ultimately, quick match cannot ever work and never will work. If you want to have fun games, you have to play ranked. Quick Match is a fundamentally flawed approach to a MOBA game. The sooner we get through the "Blizzard has to relearn the basic lessons every other game goes through" stage the better in my opinion.
But ultimately, quick match cannot ever work and never will work. If you want to have fun games, you have to play ranked. Quick Match is a fundamentally flawed approach to a MOBA game. The sooner we get through the "Blizzard has to relearn the basic lessons every other game goes through" stage the better in my opinion.
Fixed2BeBroken
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2 specialists vs a 2 tank 3 assassin team is stupid, unless those specialists are xul and sylv (Which it wasnt)
the 5 assassins vs chogall thing was so silly. we basically just killed jaina and xul asap, then it was basically 5 people against chogall with a abather hat. he died fast.
Ranked isn't so great either. (unless its 5 man team ranked). i queue with a friend, and we get 1 random person who is a moron. its always like one random person. But thats all it takes. one random person to screw the rest. i dont know. ranked is like a toss up. sometimes u get people who are competent, and other times you get that one guy who wants to be funny/troll/smarter than everyone in the room.....or they are just bad, but I get the former more than the latter believe it or not.
Fixed2BeBroken
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Tass....it just depends on the player to me.....ive seen some AMAZING solo tass, and ive seen some very bad ones. he takes a good player to recognize who needs bubble and when.
I play with some really good tyrande players and they do very well as solo healer. my friend who mains a tyrande sometimes outheal healers that are known to be primary healers.
I kinda do agree with you in the respect that they should just change classification on a few heroes tho.
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