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[rabbity-thing]

I prefer women with long hair. This does not appeal to me at all and I am guessing it's the same for lots of gamers.

The idea of a bunch of gamers huffing around cause a protagonist doesn't meet their hairstyle expectations. I can't imagine the misery of not being able to enjoy a game based on a protagonist's physical attributes not ascribing to how one prefers their women to look. God, come to think of it, I don't think I've cared about the length of a woman's hair since, I dunno, 2nd grade when I thought that all girls were supposed to have long hair and all boys were supposed to have short hair.

 

[TBiddy]

Because that’s character you are gonna spend most of your time with? You want to like the character you gonna play as? Is it that hard to understand?

I'd assume you'd base that on how the character acts, not how it looks. Might just be me who's getting older, but as long as the look of the characters fits in the universe the game portrays I have no preferences on whether it's a he, a she or if he/she is gay or not.

If the game starts lecturing me on LGBT issues on the other hand, then we can talk.

The idea of a bunch of gamers huffing around cause a protagonist doesn't meet their hairstyle expectations. I can't imagine the misery of not being able to enjoy a game based on a protagonist's physical attributes not ascribing to how one prefers their women to look. God, come to think of it, I don't think I've cared about the length of a woman's hair since, I dunno, 2nd grade when I thought that all girls were supposed to have long hair and all boys were supposed to have short hair.

Right? Who the fuck cares about the length of the hair of a person in a video game.

 

[nnytk]

The only thing more feminine there seems to be the use of eyeliner and eyeshadow on bright eyes. I would say overall the features in that is even more masculine with the cleft chin. It's amazing what makeup does to people's perception.

I didn't mean to specify biological/anatomy features.

Also, Wraith wears tight pants in the games and has a much less masculine upper body compared to the ND games' MC. Overall, she's a great example to me of a less sexualized character, with no hair, that isn't as "censored" or anti-male gaze.

But hey, honestly, I don't care that much. Just sharing thoughts.

 

[XXL]

I think people are confused here. I see people saying the TLOU Part 1 isn't woke.......it is.

It's still one of my favorite games of all time.

I mean almost all of the leaders of the factions are women and a bunch of the central characters are gay.

They just don't hammer you over the head with it every 5 mins with dialogue..

The TLOU 2 is much more in your face with it.

There is a big difference between those approaches and how it comes off, imo.

 

[Cakeboxer]

I prefer women with long hair. This does not appeal to me at all and I am guessing it's the same for lots of gamers.

Same, the short haired lady in Indiana Jones already bothers me. That goes not just for gamers. When we have movie night and a bald woman or a woman with short hair appears it's always like "This is not at all". "what a shame", "Why? Just why?" or "she could be really pretty with long hair".

 

[midnightAI]

Good god, Naughty Dog has crawled so far up their own asses. Just turn into a shitty movie studio already.

 

[Danjin44]

Red spaceship, space bounties, CRT tubes lol I felt the Cowboy Bebop vibes when I first saw the trailer and was not really shocked that they were influenced by it, it looks like lots of things in the 80s/90s influenced this work.

Seriously? That’s your idea Cowboy Bebop vibe Red spaceship and bounties?….you got to be fucking kidding me!

There nothing Cowboy Bepob in that game other than surface level crap for marketing, it’s same shit when I see indie devs mention when they got “inspiration” from “Ghibli”.

 

[nnytk]

I prefer women with long hair. This does not appeal to me at all and I am guessing it's the same for lots of gamers.

I get you, but imho she is rocking the bald cut.

 

[Hookshot]

Not going to wade into this woke/ugly protagonist conversation as I have no intention of ever playing this but I will say the name of the game is utter dogshit.

 

[EDMIX]

The idea of a bunch of gamers huffing around cause a protagonist doesn't meet their hairstyle expectations. I can't imagine the misery of not being able to enjoy a game based on a protagonist's physical attributes not ascribing to how one prefers their women to look. God, come to think of it, I don't think I've cared about the length of a woman's hair since, I dunno, 2nd grade when I thought that all girls were supposed to have long hair and all boys were supposed to have short hair.

ok, but how can I enjoy the game if PP no hard?

I'd assume you'd base that on how the character acts, not how it looks. Might just be me who's getting older, but as long as the look of the characters fits in the universe the game portrays I have no preferences on whether it's a he, a she or if he/she is gay or not.

If the game starts lecturing me on LGBT issues on the other hand, then we can talk.



Right? Who the fuck cares about the length of the hair of a person in a video game.

Agreed.

 

[DForce]

Small marketing budget vs. multi million dollar marketing campaign, maybe even near the production cost of Stellar Blade/Bayonatta.

The marketing budget is irrelevant.

This is about the perceived reception online versus your everyday gamer.

The PlayStation Portal received more downvotes than upvotes on YouTube.

This doesn't include all the tweets, articles, and YouTube videos from gamers calling the product DOA.

You can look at the PlayStation 5 Pro with even more downvotes.

The Portal is a success and the PlayStation 5 Pro (as of now) seems to be selling well.

The point is that how a handful of gamers feel online is generally not the same when it comes to your average gamer.

 

[Sethbacca]

I want a hot chick girl as main protagonist like this example.






Its too much ask that??

The entire vampire monster ethos is centered on them being attractive creatures. They're predators hiding amongst us and represent the human fixation on sex and death.

This character looks like she's probably ex military (chain hanging from the neck I'm assuming will be dog tags or something) is supposed to be a bad ass space bitch bounty hunter.

I mean, could an attractive bad ass space bitch bounty hunter work? I suppose, but not in a gritty sci fi setting. Feels like it would be more of a space opera type thing. You can't just say you want attractive characters at all costs without somehow centering them in the world they inhabit, otherwise you end up with this jarring juxtaposition of a super cute character in a world that doesn't feel right for them.

 

[Danjin44]

assume you'd base that on how the character acts, not how it looks. Might just be me who's getting older, but as long as the look of the characters fits in the universe the game portrays I have no preferences on whether it's a he, a she or if he/she is gay or not.

I don’t care about race or gender but I do want like design of main character I’m controlling.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

I don't know how yall survived stuff like MGS2 back in the day when you had to control Raiden and shit like that.

 

[Lunarorbit]

Hmmmm, i mean I'm definitely gonna play this. The bright colors and style are a break from NDs last few games. I think the viscera of the last few games might have gotten to them; looking at death all day as a dev can't be great for mental health.

The combat was great in tlou2. So melee and guns im guessing? Maybe ship combat...that'd be a way to make it more arcadey like Jax and Crash.

After hearing scavengers reign was canceled in excited to see howspace religion plays in this. One of the last scenes in scavengers reign teased a religious sect which looked dope. Hopefully shit gets weird in this game.

 

[Sushi_Combo]

About time we see something new from this studio.

 

[midnightAI]

We don't know if Jordan is a female or not yet.And I never said anything about 'woke'.
Go on. You can read my comments.

Intergalactic stars our newest protagonist, Jordan A. Mun, a dangerous bounty hunter who ends up stranded on Sempiria – a distant planet whose communication with the outside universe went dark hundreds of years ago. In fact, anyone who’s flown to it hoping to unravel its mysterious past was never heard from again. Jordan will have to use all her skills and wits if she hopes to be the first person in over 600 years to leave its orbit.

 

[YuLY]

 

[DirtInUrEye]

But the character really isn't bald,she just has a shaved head.

And thus should be tried in The Hague.

 

[Moriarty1889]

naughty dog is woke dog shit now, i knew it

Yes they are……another game another woman lead yet again. This time with bald head and gruff face intact. What a woke shit show the industry has turned into mostly.

 

[EviLore]

I don't know how yall survived stuff like MGS2 back in the day when you had to control Raiden and shit like that.

With great difficulty and much complaining. The hour long Rose codec calls…

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

The entire vampire monster ethos is centered on them being attractive creatures. They're predators hiding amongst us and represent the human fixation on sex and death.

This character looks like she's probably ex military (chain hanging from the neck I'm assuming will be dog tags or something) is supposed to be a bad ass space bitch bounty hunter.

I mean, could an attractive bad ass space bitch bounty hunter work? I suppose, but not in a gritty sci fi setting. Feels like it would be more of a space opera type thing. You can't just say you want attractive characters at all costs without somehow centering them in the world they inhabit, otherwise you end up with this jarring juxtaposition of a super cute character in a world that doesn't feel right for them.

She’s watching anime, then plays Pet Shop Boys on her Sony CD jukebox while sipping a big gulp in her Porsche branded space ship.

I’m not getting a “gritty” vibe from this at all.

 

[realcool]

"Jordan A. Mun", anyone else read that as Jordan A. Man?

Let's not discount the possibility that Dr. Uckmann may have given her backstory the corniest little wrinkle: She's a female born as Jordana Moon currently transitioning to a male named Jordan A. Mun.

 

[Wandering Leopard]

I don't know how yall survived stuff like MGS2 back in the day when you had to control Raiden and shit like that.

From what I remember there was a lot of whining about that too.

 

[EDMIX]

Seriously? That’s your idea Cowboy Bebop vibe Red spaceship and bounties?….you got to be fucking kidding me!

smh

you get waaaay too unhinged over this stuff man.

Its funny cause I guessed it was influenced by those things and Pedro Motta later confirmed it...

I don't think its a wild guess, I don't think its just nothing, its clear they are pulling from inspiration from things from 90s and being bounties, space and having a red ship might support something like Cowboy Bebop to say they had it as an influence

So my argument is not that the direction or vibe of Cowboy Bebop is solely that, merely that one can see its influence in this work based on the context of what this game is about, even before that was confirmed

There nothing Cowboy Bepob in that game

I greatly disagree and the actual developer being inspired by it say otherwise...

I don't even get whats to be offended by that lol Its a massive IP from the 90s in space about pirates and bounty hunters and crime, I don't see why they would not pull from that and I felt that looking at that trailer.

 

[wizaga]

Looks cool, can't say i really like the main character. But it's naughty dog i am sure this game will be amazing

 

[Fake]

Because that’s character you are gonna spend most of your time with? You want to like the character you gonna play as? Is it that hard to understand?

Why are you losing your time discussing character design?

Is pretty obvious that none of those folks want to talk about that. Of course character design is a big factor. Everyone saying otherwise is a complete moron.
Look at Concord. Full of retarded completely unnappealing characters. People wish to have some interess ones because they love to interact with badass one.

Is no hard science. You need to know with who are you talking to. Those folks you keep trying to had a conversation know 100% that apparence and design is important, but they will refuse to admit as soon as there are lot of negative discussion around the subject.

 

[Holammer]

I legit feel like I'm playing someone's fetish in recent naughty dog titles. Joel and Nate immediately resonated with me but they've completely abandoned that approach now.

Like, ill still play it if it's good but I'm not hyped at all about it.

In Dead Island it was tribal tattoos everywhere, in Overwatch amputation. Devs should bring in someone independent and give them a bird's eye view of a project to find such obvious blind-spots.
I want to travel back in time and kick the Factor 5's collective asses, Nintendo handed them Kid Icarus on a silver platter and they fucked up by being weird.

 

[SimTourist]

Let's be honest without the ND logo this game wouldn't even attract 2 pages of discussion, even the name is the most generic thing you can imagine.

 

[Cakeboxer]

The marketing budget is irrelevant.

This is about the perceived reception online versus your everyday gamer.

The PlayStation Portal received more downvotes than upvotes on YouTube.

This doesn't include all the tweets, articles, and YouTube videos from gamers calling the product DOA.

You can look at the PlayStation 5 Pro with even more downvotes.

The Portal is a success and the PlayStation 5 Pro (as of now) seems to be selling well.

You only talked about sales numbers in the post i quoted and the marketing is heavily related to those.

The point is that how a handful of gamers feel online is generally not the same when it comes to your average gamer.

Agreed. The average gamer just consumes and doesn't question or overthink games.

 

[Interfectum]

I legit feel like I'm playing someone's fetish in recent naughty dog titles. Joel and Nate immediately resonated with me but they've completely abandoned that approach now.

Like, ill still play it if it's good but I'm not hyped at all about it.

For sure. I’ll play it and enjoy it as much as the Abby parts in TLOU2. It’ll be some good gaming but zero resonance.

 

[Danjin44]

I greatly disagree and the actual developer being inspired by it say otherwise...

I don't even get whats to be offended by that lol Its a massive IP from the 90s in space about pirates and bounty hunters and crime, I don't see why they would not pull from that and I felt that looking at that trailer.

It just not there not from the vibe or character design, I don’t care what devs themselves say I just don’t see it.

 

[EDMIX]

She’s watching anime, then plays Pet Shop Boys on her Sony CD jukebox while sipping a big gulp in her Porsche branded space ship.

I’m not getting a “gritty” vibe from this at all.

yea I don't know if I'd say that either.

Old sir, the ship isn't luxury looking, but its also not grimy Firefly looking either

So I don't get gritty from any of this, but I'd like to hear their take on what makes it gritty nonetheless

 

[Fake]

Let's be honest without the ND logo this game wouldn't even attract 2 pages of discussion

Without ND logo people wouldn't dare to defend this designs.

 

[Sethbacca]

She’s watching anime, then plays Pet Shop Boys on her Sony CD jukebox while sipping a big gulp in her Porsche branded space ship.

I’m not getting a “gritty” vibe from this at all.

I guess what I'm saying is the environment didn't exactly scream super cute and it felt more grounded like typical sci fi type settings but with elements of inspiration from other pop culture. I'll have to re-watch the trailer, I've only seen it once at this point but it definitely didn't scream that they were going for cutesy in any way shape or form.

So I'll take the L and say that gritty was probably the wrong word to use here.

 

[VulcanRaven]

Great trailer. I'm very excited but I'm not sure about that robot part.

 

[EDMIX]

I don't know how yall survived stuff like MGS2 back in the day when you had to control Raiden and shit like that.

With great difficulty and much complaining. The hour long Rose codec calls…

Part of me wishes we can show a new generation that to see how they feel lol

if they think a chin or hair is an agenda......wait till they get naked Raiden doing cartwheels lol

 

[midnightAI]

Let's be honest without the ND logo this game wouldn't even attract 2 pages of discussion, even the name is the most generic thing you can imagine.

Of course it would, it would probably even be positive discussion.

 

[TerribleAtThisGame]

This trailer don't remember Marvel/Guardians of the Galaxy in nothing. lol

People keep saying that and is just bullshit. This trailer has the ton and style of Blade Runner and Cowboy Bebop.

As much as I relate this type of "attitude-y smug badass" trope of writing to the Marvelization of movie dialog, and therefore ND dialog since rhey're Hollywood as fuck, any time anyone sees an 80s computer screen or neon in the past 15 years, it's somehow Blade Runner.

I may be wrong, probably am, but Blade Runner superficially being slaughtered out for ages now doesn't qualify this either imo.

 

[Hypereides]

If the protag had taken some stylistic/outfit/feature cues (eyegear, stance, backwards cap to name some traits) from this 2024 Olympic female contestant I would've been so fucking down for this day -1:

Would've been such a rocking upgrade in terms of costume design.

 

[PeteBull]

I don't know how yall survived stuff like MGS2 back in the day when you had to control Raiden and shit like that.

It was annoying af, ppl over the whole world were outraged back then, but at least raiden had its redemption story in

 

[EDMIX]

I guess what I'm saying is the environment didn't exactly scream super cute and it felt more grounded like typical sci fi type settings but with elements of inspiration from other pop culture. I'll have to re-watch the trailer, I've only seen it once at this point but it definitely didn't scream that they were going for cutesy in any way shape or form.

So I'll take the L and say that gritty was probably the wrong word to use here.

ohhhhh I better understand what you mean.

As in not sleek, not brand new and not luxury or something.

This is the same vibe I got from this ship's interior.

 

[MrRibeye]

Without ND logo people wouldn't dare to defend this designs.

Fair

 

[YuLY]

Let's be honest without the ND logo this game wouldn't even attract 2 pages of discussion, even the name is the most generic thing you can imagine.

This is a really good point. Legit it would be like another one of those nameless/nobody cares games like...I dunno...Flintlock or Atlas Fallen.

 

[VulcanRaven]

It was annoying af, ppl over the whole world were outraged back then, but at least raiden had its redemption story in

I'm a big fan but never played that. I did try the demo. I still want the original Metal Gear Solid Rising.

 

[Polygonal_Sprite]

I’m not as down on it as others here but one thing I don’t understand.

Why would Sony greenlight this, Concord and Cory’s sci-fi game all at the same time. We will go from post apocalyptic spam to sci-fi spam

 

[Sethbacca]

ohhhhh I better understand what you mean.

As in not sleek, not brand new and not luxury or something.

This is the same vibe I got from this ship's interior.

Yeah, exactly. It felt like a lived in/inhabited world made for real people, not caricatures.

 

[PeteBull]

If the protag had taken some stylistic/outfit/features cues (eyegear, stance, backwards cap to name some traits) from this 2024 Olympic female contestant I would've been so fucking down for this day -1:

Would've been such a rocking upgrade in terms of costume design.

She has hair and looks genuinely attractive tho, ND:

 

[XXL]

Agreed. The average gamer just consumes and doesn't question or overthink games.

 

[RoboCain]

Looks sick. Was anything said about the gameplay? I get Jedi Survivor from the trailer, platforming and souls combat.