SEGAvangelist
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Gaming industry created the monster.
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HeisenbergFX4
Member
I think its an easy thing to latch onto
Just wonder if the hate would have been as loud if the trailer was actually an oh shit moment
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
They have those collab licenses from GT7 and Spider-Man, might as well recoup some costs from spending on Hollywood and musical talent.
Topher
Identifies as young
I didn't have any negative thoughts towards that. Cocky bounty hunter character is what I saw. But that's fine.....the point is we can disagree on that specifically and it has nothing to do with her race/gender.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
I know I’ve said it before, but I really want the laser swords to make sense in a future sci-fi action game, and why guns aren’t used. Because in a futuristic world/universe, melee combat doesn’t make much sense.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
Product placement doesn’t bother me especially in sports titles.Tbh I'm all for product placement. If it helps developrs get more money to have coca cola cans in the game instead of koacola I'm on board.
I still think she suits being a footballer better
The only thing that did feel out of place and forced was the Porsche wording on the back of a space ship
Well done!
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
The counter example would be something like Concord. They were blindsided by how much gamers overwhelmingly disliked some aspects of the game (#1 being the character designs). A $400 million mistake.
Topher
Identifies as young
I think product placement in a futuristic title is pretty cool as it ties the future back to the present. If this game were set in modern day then it looks like nothing more than a money grab rather than having dual purpose.
Senua
Member
Well it wasn't anywhere near as big of a problem back in the day. People are now sick of girl bosses in almost every damn western game
Doom85
Member
Maybe they’re using body shields similar to the ones in Dune. Guess we’ll see.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Product placement doesn’t bother me. Never has. It’s in the real world, why wouldn’t it be in games too. I always thought developers were/are stupid for not having in game ads for products on walls. Have them timed and keep selling the ad space. But I think then, DLC should be cheaper.
PeteBull
Member
Gritting teeth isnt my favourite thing to do while playing new 70$ AAA game, so nope, same way i didnt buy tlou2 i wont get this one, let them make money on 2% of population aka bald lesbians, since protagonist is pandering to those.
I will give my hard earned cash to devs/games that pander to straight males like myself instead
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Yup, and that’s all I need. A simple explanation.
Fake
Member
She can show you her dick.
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HeisenbergFX4
Member
It is kind of cool seeing what products survived in their eyes.
I guess the reason product placement doesn’t bother me is I really enjoy survival end of the world type of games and when I am out exploring an abandoned town it adds a little more realism for me if I find say an old Coke machine vs a generic no name product that has never existed
Fake
Member
Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
This game just not anywhere near ready for that.
Joshmyersbv
Member
I mean is anyone surprised by this? Neil has been a huge fan of what Anita Sarkeesian has done in the industry and his work lately is showing it.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Do you think the decision to have the protagonist have a shaved head was made in the last few months? I doubt that, and I doubt it has anything to do with that stuff.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
I think they said they’ve been working on it for years.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
That was my favorite part actually.
This is their intergalactic GT3 RS!!That, and the music.
Pandawan
Member
The problem is not only that the main character is an ugly bald Asian woman, but that she is arrogant, smug and absolutely unpleasant in her behavior. Just a repulsive character.
You could say that there were a lot of rude ugly guys as protagonists back in the day, but most of them were bad guys, antiheroes. They knew they were morrons. Like for example Max Payne in Max Payne 3 knew he is a scumbag.
But this Asian lady is presented (and will be presented until the end) as a flawless, perfect hero.
You could say that there were a lot of rude ugly guys as protagonists back in the day, but most of them were bad guys, antiheroes. They knew they were morrons. Like for example Max Payne in Max Payne 3 knew he is a scumbag.
But this Asian lady is presented (and will be presented until the end) as a flawless, perfect hero.
Toons
Member
I didnt say I don't care what my parents think on anything. But I didn't get a say in who they decided to sleep with so I dont expect them to get a say in who I do.
Some cultures don't do this but not the one I'm in. And what my parents want for me isn't always what I want for myself.
Everyone's responsible for their own choices.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
I suppose the fact that she just wasn't bold and they showed you her shaving the hair(kinda like the first proper trailer for the TLOU2 was a lesbian kiss) amplifies that.
But that's looking into it too deep.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
I mean it would be bragging rights in space dockThat was my favorite part actually.
That, and the music.
Stooky
Banned
I think Trent Resnore is signed to Sony, that would be an somewhat easy get and Sony gets an album out of it.
Doom85
Member
I dunno, Garth here disagrees with you, and who are we to argue with a man who never once compromised his artistic vision for a cheap buck:
For real though, I do agree with you to an extent. Keep it at a reasonable level, and in an appropriate setting, and I don’t think it would be an immersion-breaking issue.
Heck, while I’ll gladly criticize Michael Bay’s Transformers movies (while still having them as a guilty pleasure to an extent), I remember face palming when people were yelling, “ugh, product placement!” when Sam is selling stuff on EBay in the first film. And I’m like, “him selling that stuff affects the plot so it’s not random filler, and it’s someone selling stuff online in 2007, makes total sense to me that he’d use EBay.”
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
"The Millennium Falcon can to the Nürburgring Kessel Run in under 12 parsecs? Cute. Try under 6.5!"
Solarstrike
Member
Should stick to what they do best; with their current IP's. Stick to what's selling and already established. Add more of what people are enjoying, build upon and add to that foundation.
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Stooky
Banned
But its not in every game. its not even the majority of games. thats why this shit so stupid. A few big titles had a boss chick protagonist. AND those were not bad games.
Yeah..? Because Faye's face is realistic,the only thing I can say looks real is Faye's body type.It's funny that Neil said the game is inspired by Cowboy Bebop. How about making a character like Faye then?
These people aren't inspired by anime, they despise it.
FIREKNIGHT2029
Member
Anti-woke crew is just as bad as the woke people that they hate. Opposite sides of the same idiocy. I don’t like woke shit in games but I don’t think every female character in a game has to look attractive or even feminine for that matter, and I don’t decide to buy or trash games based solely on what the characters in it look or identify as. If this game is good which it looks to be I’ll give it a chance. The main character looking butt ugly has no bearing on whether it will be a great game or not.
MDSLKTR
Member
No, not like Alyx. It is the shaved head that rubs me the wrong way.So a bit like Alyx Vance from halflife then?
What would be the issue anyway if she was both?
Now I understand the HL3 rumours though.
Yep because those little details mean nothing to them. They are talentless. This isn't the same Naughty Dog as 20 years ago.
Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
That's true, but it was in pre-production until this year, so what they have is probably jank central still.
Thaimasker
Member
This shows why stellerblade gets as much love as it does. You'd think it was some amazing game, nope, the protag is just overly sexualized and that's good enough. This game could be the most fun of the gen but people here wouldn't care. Yall need to get a girlfriend.
Doom85
Member
Was Ellie presented as a flawless, perfect hero in TLOU Part 2?
Pretty sure she sets out to take Abby out but then ends up getting her ass kicked by her 2/3 through the game, and then at the end of the game when she flashback remembers how much Joel wanted her to be happy first and foremost, and then she realizes she just destroyed her relationship with her partner by focusing on her revenge first, and goes home to find it empty and she sits there with a guitar she can’t play well with her now missing fingers gone due to her revenge quest. A main character who let down her father figure (ironically as she assumed she was honoring his memory by getting revenge at all costs when in fact Joel just wanted her to be safe and happy above all), her partner, her child, and is now utterly alone.
Could have fooled me!
And yes, I know we don’t know if this MC will be like that, but an assumption either way is still an assumption. It’s a trailer, none of us know what will fully go down in the game proper.
Shadowstar39
Member
It's not about a few edge cases. It's about patterns. We can't help but notice. All Sony games this Gen have only "female" protagonists. And they are never attractive.
This character wouldn't be a problem in a vacuum. Or if this was 2005. Because we know druckman gulps down the woke kool-aid like no other. They always push for ulgy female characters and no masculinity. As they hate masculinity and men in general. Dudes aren't allowed to have eye candy or play as a power fantasy. Eventually guys will bow out and not play. It's a simple as that.
The woke creed is propping up one group by exclusion. All they have to do is make male protagonists along with the female ones and make some of the females attractive or at least normal looking and no one would bat an eye. They won't though as they are "flipping oppression" or some shit. If you lurk on the purple forum or reddit you can see what they value.
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Mhmmm 2077
Member
I'm not gonna say they are making a woke bald woman character. I will say that they went the easy way of not animating space hair physics. Pretty lame if you ask me.
Heimdall_Xtreme
Hermen Hulst Fanclub's #1 Member
swan song in 2027-2028
Crayon
Member
It is tiring. I understand. The last several years have led to a certain sensitivity and I think it's justified - to an extent. But we turned into a magnet for the ones who can cross into rage territory at the drop of a hat. It's dominating not just individual discussions, but the whole vibe of the place.
The word politics is broad. It is hard to draw the line with the no-politics rule when it is notably influencing media. I get it. I really do. But at some point you're spiraling into an echo chamber and the drone needs to a headache whether you agree with the opinions or not.
Era got to a point where some games would get so hated for simply showing a character that it started to feel weird just dropping a neutral comment about the actual game without sounding off about the Injustice of it all. It was actually impeding its function as a place to talk about video games. Put aside what team you're on and look at the larger dynamic.
When I saw the trailer and noted the tired archetype of the protagonist, I was a little let down because it's dull, but my mind went more to how bad the reaction was going to be on here. How it was going to be a while before you could talk about the actual game for more than five posts on each page. I should add though, that I didn't expect the game to get ratio so hard outside of here. So I don't want to be too hard on the place.
We're not banning the game obviously. A mistake that era has made a couple times until they put their foot down on it with stellar blade. Yes, there was a lengthy post from an administrator telling everyone stop asking for the game discussion to be banned and why that would be wrong. They didn't admit the mistake they made with cyberpunk and Hogwarts, but still they learned and finally stood up to their community. They're still going to get discussion of given games drowned out by culture warriors. That's a lot harder to draw a crisp line in the sand, there. That's not just a pain when you're trying to follow that game, but it's a bad look for the whole place and obnoxious to be steeped in constantly.
By all means, sound off. I'm not the only one who doesn't want to change your mind, but is just looking for some place where they can get away from all of it. A place that doesn't exist anymore on the internet. I suppose it's nice to want things.
Doom85
Member
Ratchet and Clank, Spider-man 2, God of War Ragnarok, Astro Bot, Death Stranding 2, and Wolverine are PlayStation games.
Disco Dave
Member
The hair asset failed to load.
#fail
#fail
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
I see this getting compared to Aliens a lot and it absolutely shouldn't.
A 28 year old Sigourney Weaver is actually weirdly attractive, and she never Arnold Schwarzeneggers the 15 foot death machine using her frail frame.
A 28 year old Sigourney Weaver is actually weirdly attractive, and she never Arnold Schwarzeneggers the 15 foot death machine using her frail frame.