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[FalconPunch]

okay, heres another secret for you, you cant pick people off the street to work, all voice actors are also woke - look at the critical role team, all woke

Absolutely not true at all.

 

[TintoConCasera]

okay, heres another secret for you, you cant pick people off the street to work, all voice actors are also woke - look at the critical role team, all woke

Just because you say so? Ok.

 

[Shtof]

Concord devs loved it too, based on their Tweets on release date.
I wonder how they're doing now

But I thought Concord was genuinely a bad game? Please, stay true to your narrative.

 

[Stooky]

WIth all due respect, what did you expect, dude? That people just stfu and gobble everything up without a second thought?

You may not like hearing it, but this is what a "diverse" discussion looks like. People come from different walks of life and contribute their takes on a given subject. Clearly, not everyone is in agreeance and disagreements will be had about the direction of this game.

As someone in the know, you should be more receptive to this kind of nuance.

Expected people to talk about the game. But This aint nuance. This discussion for the last 40 pages has been If it doesn't have boobies and hair then its woke. Why doesn't she look like (insert my fantasy girl) vs any discussion about themes in the trailer whether hate it or like it. Maybe you are right i expected too much. Stellar Blade boss chicks in average games to calm to anti woke mob. That game didn't get nearly as scrutinized here, on this trailer people still arguing about what her pronouns are.......Im just happy to see ND make a new IP.

 

[TintoConCasera]

43 pages of “I can’t play a game if the protagonist doesn’t make my peepee hard”

More like 43 pages of consumers complaining about stuff they don't like. Pretty normal thing if you ask me.

 

[tmlDan]

Just because you say so? Ok.

its just normal for people in the arts, its the vast majority of them, not my fault you're not okay with it lol

It's up to the writers and directors to reel them in

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Put a face tattoo and some colored glasses on the hot chick and you’re set. Let the accessories tell you she’s a bounty hunter. Like how Samus’s suit tells you she’s a bounty hunter.

You know what fixes all of this is give us a character creator even if its very basic but I get your point

 

[Mister Wolf]

This game is getting torpedoed before it even leaves the docks. My question is if you're going to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on a project, why would you put it at risk with a decision like this? Firstly, for those who worked on the game and want their work to be enjoyed, why would you do this to them? Put them in a situation where people will immediately discredit their work without ever trying it? For investors, why do you think that they'd be ok with such an unnecessary risk?

Launching a new IP is a risky enough venture as it is. If you make the game too generic then it risks appealing to no one. If you make the game too niche, it also significantly reduces your addressable market. This game has already been in development for 4 years and at the first trailer, a large percentage of people have immediately written it off. A huge disaster imo.

They likely didn't consider it a risk. The factions pushing these ideologies are only now receiving push back while these games are years in development. Everything that's happened in 2024 has been a rude awakening for them. It's going to escalate further in 2025.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Yeah...I get it. Those are completely separate from this trailer though. As is that clip.

that's what should have been, right?. i don't think you are getting it tho.

the two examples I gave... were also completely separate (their comments/politics) from the respective media attached to those individuals.

so, if you get it. you should understand why is this happening. things like:

It's just a videogame
or
why do you care? etcetera are missing the point/ failing to realize that this "conflict" goes beyond this specific trailer/game

in other words... it's not about this game or this person.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

The fuck? She’s always been hot. I think she’s aged well too.

She's an old lady.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

They likely didn't consider it a risk. The factions pushing these ideologies are only now receiving push back while these games are years in development. Everything that's happened in 2024 has been a rude awakening for them.

They 100% considered it a risk or they wouldn’t have disabled comments as they knew what was coming

 

[proandrad]

I just don’t get it. Corporations are notorious for wanting to avoid controversy that could fuck with the bottom line. Sony already had multiple financial losses with Concord and Madam Web. Do they not do market research anymore? Even if they are in a bubble, marketing would quickly point out the visuals of the MC won’t resonate with a large portion of their customer base. CEOs of healthcare companies are willing to let people die to meet their fiduciary responsibility of increasing shareholder wealth. Yet public gaming companies rather lose money than to interfere with artistic decisions.

 

[FoxMcChief]

She's an old lady.

 

[Strategize]

More and more I've come to realize these anti-woke dudes have become the new SJWs from like the 2016 era. Everything and I mean EVERYTHING is about identity politics to the point where a 7/10 game that sold a million copies like Steller Blade becomes some kind of "win" about owning wokes rather than a simple fun action game.

You told the wokes to create their own franchises, when they do it, it's not enough, it's never enough. You just can't ignore it with a simple "not for me I guess".

 

[Mister Wolf]

They 100% considered it a risk or they wouldn’t have disabled comments as they knew what was coming

Were the comments disabled from the onset?

 

[Topher]

in other words... it's not about this game or this person.

Agree with that so I'll leave it there.

 

[kikii]

Don't you mean unzip pants?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Were the comments disabled from the onset?

No idea honestly

 

[FalconPunch]

They likely didn't consider it a risk. The factions pushing these ideologies are only now receiving push back while these games are years in development. Everything that's happened in 2024 has been a rude awakening for them. It's going to escalate further in 2025.

That would be entirely tone deaf from Naughty Dog. TLOU 2 came out in 2020 and immediately lost half of it's addressable market due to controversies around both Ellie's character and the treatment of Joel. That in itself should have sent alarm bells ringing.

 

[Ridicululzz]

Just my 2 cents one fits the vibe of a bounty hunter living alone in space way better than the other

I would argue that neither fit the "vibe". If you told me about a bounty hunter character that lives alone in outer space, then I'd think of some gruff badass dude, not some 120lb woman.

But that's just me

 

[Mister Wolf]

No idea honestly

I bet they weren't. Felt the heat on their ass and tucked tail.

 

[Lokaum D+]

fuck me guys

i was looking out to watch Alien franchise, every one told that the franchise was amazing, if knew that the third movie was a woke fest, i would never started this franchise, look at this disgrace and what is happening to all this female protag in alien movies ? geez

i didnt even know that Sigourney Weaver was this ugly until this movie

look at this "titless" mf

Spoiler

this is a jk post

 

[Three]

You know what fixes all of this is give us a character creator even if its very basic but I get your point

NDs animations/motion capture are too intricate for a character creator to work well but who knows.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

You told the wokes to create their own franchises, when they do it, it's not enough, it's never enough.

Not totally true.

Nobody asked an existing game or movie franchise to change it to different characters. So when it fails, people laugh because it shows the core audience was right not to change it up for diversity demographic olympics.

Intergalactic is different because it's a new IP that can do it's own thing, but people are warning companies (for sake of their financials even) to not got ape shit on DEI where sales suffer. The customers are even showing companies with their own wallets dont do it (like trash supe movies like Morbius, Kraven and Madam Web or Cap Marvel 2).

But end of the day it's up the studio or company to listen or not.

 

[Mossybrew]

TLOU 2 came out in 2020 and immediately lost half of it's addressable market due to controversies around both Ellie's character and the treatment of Joel. That in itself should have sent alarm bells ringing.

lmao that is completely absurd. It's a small vocal internet bubble that cares so much about this shit - if you're in that bubble you think it's way bigger than it is. Lost half its market lol.

 

[sloppyjoe_gamer]

Fuck you Neil and ND. An easy non-buy nary for me

 

[Ulysses 31]

fuck me guys

i was looking out to watch Alien franchise, everywhere told that the franchise was amazing, if knew that the third movie was a woke fest, i would never started this franchise, look at this disgrace and what is happening to all this female protag is alien movies ? geez

To be fair, Alien 3 and afterwards come nowhere close to the first 2 movies so you're not really missing much if you skip them.

 

[Robins]

Well......I liked it

 

[tmlDan]

I bet they weren't. Felt the heat on their ass and tucked tail.

on ND's channel? yea it was disabled when they launched it

 

[fart town usa]

Expected people to talk about the game. But This aint nuance. This discussion for the last 40 pages has been If it doesn't have boobies and hair then its woke. Why doesn't she look like (insert my fantasy girl) vs any discussion about themes in the trailer whether hate it or like it. Maybe you are right i expected too much. Stellar Blade boss chicks in average games to calm to anti woke mob. That game didn't get nearly as scrutinized here, on this trailer people still arguing about what her pronouns are.......Im just happy to see ND make a new IP.

FWIW, some of us find Eve's design from SB to be just as cringe as the Intergalactic girl.

I guarantee that the writing is better in SB though, because woke writing is inherently trash.

 

[FalconPunch]

I would argue that neither fit the "vibe". If you told me about a bounty hunter character that lives alone in outer space, then I'd think of some gruff badass dude, not some 120lb woman.

But that's just me

All I'll say is that there are a lot more male loner's than there are female loner's. There are also a lot more male bounty hunters than there are female bounty hunters. If you were to pull out a character from a hat, the chances that the character would be female and bald? Very very slim.

 

[FIREKNIGHT2029]

Im one of the "anti-woke crew", the difference between woke is- we dont shame ppl for liking or not liking any game, we just say why we dont like it/wont buy it ourselfs.

Some1 like bald masculine female blasians and wanna play game with protag looking like that- good for him, hf buying game/playing it(if u arent secret account of a dev or sellout professional journalist, those dont pay for games, hence terrible sales of most woke games , myself tho- i prefer protagonist of my games either be strong masculine males, or very feminine looking sexy women, and thats it, no soyboys, no masculine women, no anything else.

Want to have more games like this one, concord, sw, da:v then keep supporting them, i dont so ofc i wont support them, even on a deep sale, since character design is very offputing, enough to not play such a game at all.
Since i live in a free world/country im allowed to have my own opinion, which somehow is foreign concept for many westerners, u will never shame males into buying shitty woke games, we were liking games and spending all our money on them even back in the 80s and 90s, when gaming was shamefull hobby, we did it coz we loved games, so no1 elses opinion matters

For gaffers who love woke games- i will say same thing i said to them at concord's launch- go buy 10k copies, its only 70k usd after all, let the money do the talking and see how it turns out, its ur money and ur decision same way spending my money is my decision

Good for you. Like I said earlier, I don’t like woke games or woke shit in my games either but I don’t think wokeness has any bearing on whether a game is good or bad. Concord was dogshit but I don’t think it was dogshit solely because the characters looked like ass. It was dogshit because the characters looked like ass and the game was corny AF with no original or redeeming qualities. It committed too many sins so to speak and that’s why it got universal hate from gamers. I prefer sexy women in games and I’m one of the leading posters in the best boobs and butts threads here on GAF () but I won’t let ugly characters stop me from enjoying a possibly good game.


Now keep in mind, I’m not telling you what to like or not like, I don’t care or feel it’s my right to do so. I’ve just seen plenty of annoying people from the woke and anti-woke crew that feel it’s their right to dictate what constitutes as a good game and I think both extremes are wrong. In an ideal world every female character would be sexy AF like Eve from Stellar Blade but unfortunately we don’t live in that world.

 

[Ridicululzz]

what this person is saying. ...That's the end goal.
are men going to be able to get pregnant in 100 years? are the concepts of men and women going to dissappear too?... i dunno.

but im telling you.... this agenda is real AF.

Well they definitely wouldn't want to work with her if she was some sort of hardcore conservative

 

[poodaddy]

Finally watched this trailer. Just my opinion, but absolutely nothing about it appeals on any level whatsoever.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I would argue that neither fit the "vibe". If you told me about a bounty hunter character that lives alone in outer space, then I'd think of some gruff badass dude, not some 120lb woman.

But that's just me

Yeah I was just picking between the 2 models presented

If I was able to make my own character I would make someone different as well

 

[PeteBull]

And that is, why we all know game is woke af

 

[Mister Wolf]

That would be entirely tone deaf from Naughty Dog. TLOU 2 came out in 2020 and immediately lost half of it's addressable market due to controversies around both Ellie's character and the treatment of Joel. That in itself should have sent alarm bells ringing.

Then it's likely hubris.

 

[LectureMaster]

Just my 2 cents one fits the vibe of a monk living alone in space way better than the other

You mean right ... Right?

 

[NomenNescio]

44 pages. Druckmann brings all the heat. GOAT writer-director.

 

[Imtjnotu]

lol...wow, I missed all that. Thanks

Bro get your ass back into the trailer.

Stop focusing on her hair and focus on everything else

 

[FalconPunch]

lmao that is completely absurd. It's a small vocal internet bubble that cares so much about this shit - if you're in that bubble you think it's way bigger than it is. Lost half its market lol.

Not really absurd at all. Based on word of mouth and the performance of the first game, TLOU2 was supposed to be an easy 20+ million seller. It sold 10 million and 44% less units than the first game. That's basically almost half of it's addressable market gone.

 

[touchfuzzy]

all these new games star chicks now…this… witcher 4, ghost of yotoi… is the dog in okami a female?

Not sure if a shitpost or not, but yes the dog in Okami is a female lol (was in original game too)

 

[The Fartist]

So, female, loner, possibly lesbian space bounty hunter is only believable if she's attractive?

I don't get this image.

 

[Thabass]

Looks interesting, definitely going to get it regardless. I hope the gameplay is kind of over the type with it's melee. Very curious what this game will be like and if it's more like Uncharted or more subdued like Last of Us.

 

[OccamsLightsaber]

Nope

Yes

 

[Stooky]

Nope not every game, but the proportion is completely out of whack. People are sick of it mate, media in general. The backlash is not unique to gaf, it's everywhere. Why does almost every female protagonist have to be masculine or ugly? I understand the mid 2000s bald burly white guy was tired as fuck but it's now 5ft3 women going around beating up 6ft men for boss bitch points. ND are one of the most woke studios today, so I'm not surprised this thread (and almost everywhere else btw) is so negative towards it

so the problem with female protagonists is that they are ugly , average or just not super model hot? You are saying that if this trailer had stellar blade looking chick in it, then it would be all good? I say this because in the trailer i see an average looking girl, but the reaction seems like its friggin Quasimodo in drag. As an artist its to0 far in the extreme. Stellar Blade chick wildly accepted here, average chick gets masculine, what gender is that etc. I don't buy your argument

 

[TropicanaTwista]

swan song in 2027-2028

The fact that in the blog post it mentions how this was started in 2020, I would be extremely disappointed with a release that late. I know they didn't announce 2025, but Ill remain optimistic that's a chance, if not at least 2026.

 

[PeteBull]

And we arent necrophiles here, there are new 18yo girls coming of age every day, old woman on a dating market is equivalent to a homeless dude, aka she gains superpower- invisibility, that is reality aka truth despite what feminism tells ppl, every1 knew how it is back in the old days, that is why women were told to marry young, to "good man" who will provide and protect, then feminism started spewing its lies and we got tons of 30-40yo women turning into cat ladies nowadays

 

[DerivedDataCache]

Just cancel the game ND and go next.
This is another Forspoken/Concord waiting to happen.

Elden Ring would’ve never sold as much if all you could play was a main character with rainbow clothes and blue hair.
And boss enemies that look like they came out of Thirsty Suitors.

 

[Drake]

I just don’t get it. Corporations are notorious for wanting to avoid controversy that could fuck with the bottom line. Sony already had multiple financial losses with Concord and Madam Web. Do they not do market research anymore? Even if they are in a bubble, marketing would quickly point out the visuals of the MC won’t resonate with a large portion of their customer base. CEOs of healthcare companies are willing to let people die to meet their fiduciary responsibility of increasing shareholder wealth. Yet public gaming companies rather lose money than to interfere with artistic decisions.

This game was probably started around covid, the height of wokeness. Back then the protagonist was probably considered a safe bet. It's only the last year or so that the massive push back against everything woke started to happen.