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Naughty Dog Announces Intergalactic: The Heretic Prophet

FunkMiller

Member
Nearly 50 pages of:

‘Woke monster! DEI! aaaaarrrrgggghhhh! The evil is here!!’

Vs

‘It’s fine! Naughty Dog GOATS! Stop whining! It’ll be amazing!’

Complete loss of nuance in this discussion.

It’s a rather tired looking, cliched character, in a pretty bland game reveal from the biggest devs in this industry. The game might well end up being absolutely amazing, but in our current climate this doesn’t feel like ND putting their best foot forward.

There you go gang. That’s the truth.
 

proandrad

Member
I bet she'd look attractive with long hair, she's not ugly, and is pretty fit, but GAF be like...

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Why don’t they have male MCs look like that guy.
 

DrFigs

Member
Yeah YouTube likes are not sales, hope this helps
Unfortunately the grifters do have influence. so grummz and asmongold, angryjoe, etc. will look at this and see that their audience wants negativity on this game. they'll make some videos about how wokeness is ruining games and how terrible this game is. and unfortunately, i think there are enough people that listen to them, that it might affect sales.
 
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Senua

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Unfortunately the grifters do have influence. so grummz and asmongold, angryjoe, etc. will look at this and see that their audience wants negativity on this game. they'll make some videos about how wokeness is ruining games and how terrible this game is. and unfortunately, i think there are enough people that listen to them, that it might affect sales.
I'll let you into a secret, many people feel this way regardless if grifters make videos on this shit or not.
 
So far tons of negativity, nasty dislike ratio and all kinds of yt comments at playstation channel coz thats not turned off yet :p
so far 46k likes/70k dislikes :)

U can read comments urself, including ones with biggest ammount of upvotes xD
Edit: All kinds of references to concord, jaguar, will smith's wife and other very funny ones :D

lol brutal. With thousands of upvotes too. But trust me bro, the anti woke is just an insignificant amount that Sony does not need.
 

yurinka

Member
So, female, loner, possibly lesbian space bounty hunter is only believable if she's attractive?

I don't get this image.
It's not about being believable.

It's about having an appealing/likable/charismatic protagonist, something pretty hard to achieve with an ugly and androginous character because most people (both men and women) likes and prefers good looking manly badass males and pretty and femenine women.
 
It's not about being believable.

It's about having an appealing/likable/charismatic protagonist, something pretty hard to achieve with an ugly and androginous character because most people (both men and women) likes and prefers good looking manly badass males and pretty and femenine women.

That is what I find funny. Some of these dorks in the gaming industry seem to believe women don't like playing as attractive characters. Do they not realize how popular the Tomb Raider series was with women? Women love Lara Croft, big bewbs and all.
 

TGO

Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Since the topic of "woke" is already extended to +40 pages, maybe instead of adding to the stove, i will allow myself to focus on another issue: does this feel like a new chapter for ND and people who like the games they mentioned in the trailer?

Or is this an extension of a divisive trend started by TLoU2 in the form of a particular narrative backbone that is so inflexible by nature?

A new IP, in my opinion, works best if it draws a clear line between itself and what came before.
It's hard to judge anything based on a trailer like this, but it seems to still be built around a certain narrative, just from slightly different building blocks.

In other words, it feels like something i've already seen before, even if going to space is quite a change.

It's like, leaving planet earth behind isn't enough to get rid of what made this place so annoying, lately. :messenger_smirking:

I don't know, i'm still struggling between justification for this type of choice and the awareness of forced feminist tropes (those that don't even serve women, causing negativity instead), i would like it to be a credible story about a human being, not a banner for any recent ideology, just this fucking once please.
Pretty much, I love Uncharted & I love the original TLOU.
but even this new IP feels like the vibe I got from TLOU2, which despite its gameplay made me lose interest and not care to continue the game.
TLOU was a shitty world but I liked the characters in it, and wanted them to survive.
TLOUPT2 I didn't even care for the original characters anymore, they wasn't the same.
And Joel wasn't the same either, but that was done to justify a story that didn't fit.
TLOUPT1 had a simple story but delivered expertly and made powerful.
TLOUPT2 was a simple revenge story told badly at the expense of it's characters.
 
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The Fartist

Gold Member
It's not about being believable.

It's about having an appealing/likable/charismatic protagonist, something pretty hard to achieve with an ugly and androginous character because most people (both men and women) likes and prefers good looking manly badass males and pretty and femenine women.
I like that too, but I'm still in day one for Intergalactic because it's ND. They could put in a trans-gender purple goat as the MC and I'd still play it because it's Naughty Dog.
 

HRK69

Member
It’s going to sell like crazy and freaks are going to freak out.
Just because Naughty Fog has some buzz doesn’t mean it’s going to "sell like crazy." Overhyping mediocre games is a sure way to set yourself up for disappointment. Maybe let the game prove itself before acting like it's the second coming of gaming greatness.
 

DrFigs

Member
Even the the last of us 2 sold poorly compared to the first title. It didn't in a vaccuum, but something like 12 million sales compared to 30 from the first one is just poor.
it didn't sell poorly. but yeah this is my fear about grifters. the last of us 2 is an amazing game. and it's a shame that people can't look past their preconceptions about abby, at some points thinking that she was a trans character, or whatever to actually play it. it's incredible the risks that Druckmann took in telling the story he did. And i'm worried that the takeaway from the reaction will be that people just want safer games that take zero risks. every game needs to tell a predictable and safe story because you don't want backlash from your audience if you try to do anything differently.

I completely trust him and naughty dog to deliver a good game here. whether it does well? it's frankly not looking good because it's become fashionable to pre-hate games and specifically to pre-hate naughty dog games now.
 
I mean we could have something like tifa, still bad ass, cool but also a good looking female. ND is soo lost!
Honestly question, why is this so important to people? Not judging just generally want to know. I've never really thought about this when it comes to characters, in any form of media. I'll listen to musicians who are ugly and out of shape. I'll watch movies or shows that look intriguing but won't say to myself, wow that chick is too ugly, time to stop watching. Not only that, but I've never even heard that talked about in those forms of media. But for some gamers is seems to be a deal breaker.
 

Fabieter

Member
That is what I find funny. Some of these dorks in the gaming industry seem to believe women don't like playing as attractive characters. Do they not realize how popular the Tomb Raider series was with women? Women love Lara Croft, big bewbs and all.

Not only that. People can't believe how many women play online games like ff 14. It's almost impossible to make you an ugly women in the character creator.

I also know lesbian women who love to play as good looking man. Those devs don't even know the audience they trying to attract. It's insane how outta touch some of those devs are.
 

Mister Wolf

Member
it didn't sell poorly. but yeah this is my fear about grifters. the last of us 2 is an amazing game. and it's a shame that people can't look past their preconceptions about abby, at some points thinking that she was a trans character, or whatever to actually play it. it's incredible the risks that Druckmann took in telling the story he did. And i'm worried that the takeaway from the reaction will be that people just want safer games that take zero risks. every game needs to tell a predictable and safe story because you don't want backlash from your audience if you try to do anything differently.

I completely trust him and naughty dog to deliver a good game here. whether it does well? it's frankly not looking good because it's become fashionable to pre-hate games and specifically to pre-hate naughty dog games now.

The last of us 2 has an actual woman in it calling herself a man.
 

Senua

Member
it didn't sell poorly. but yeah this is my fear about grifters. the last of us 2 is an amazing game. and it's a shame that people can't look past their preconceptions about abby, at some points thinking that she was a trans character, or whatever to actually play it. it's incredible the risks that Druckmann took in telling the story he did. And i'm worried that the takeaway from the reaction will be that people just want safer games that take zero risks. every game needs to tell a predictable and safe story because you don't want backlash from your audience if you try to do anything differently.

I completely trust him and naughty dog to deliver a good game here. whether it does well? it's frankly not looking good because it's become fashionable to pre-hate games and specifically to pre-hate naughty dog games now.
Played TLoU2 on release, stopped about two thirds the way through because I hated playing as a character I disliked, and I felt the game went on and on. Many people felt the same way on release, so again it's not all people being influenced by grifters, people genuinely disliked the game and came to that conclusion on their own.
 

DrFigs

Member
The last of us 2 has an actual woman in it calling herself a man.
yeah but not he character people were mad about. there are people who still think Abby is the trans character. the other thing is that i'm not anti-lgbt. so i can't relate to not liking a game because there's a trans character in it.
Played TLoU2 on release, stopped about two thirds the way through because I hated playing as a character I disliked, and I felt the game went on and on. Many people felt the same way on release, so again it's not all people being influenced by grifters, people genuinely disliked the game and came to that conclusion on their own.
I don't want to relitigate tlou2. i sincerely understand that there are people who don't like it, for reasons other than that it leaked. but i also saw the grift in real time, from reviewers like angry joe who already made up their mind that the game would be bad before they played it, and when they streamed it, never gave it a fair chance, died on purpose, hammed up their reactions, etc. these things have a palpable effect on their audience, which is quite large.
 
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Mister Wolf

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yeah but not he character people were mad about. there are people who still think Abby is the trans character. the other thing is that i'm not anti-lgbt. so i can't relate to not liking a game because there's a trans character in it.

Who said people weren't mad about that?
 

Fabieter

Member
Honestly question, why is this so important to people? Not judging just generally want to know. I've never really thought about this when it comes to characters, in any form of media. I'll listen to musicians who are ugly and out of shape. I'll watch movies or shows that look intriguing but won't say to myself, wow that chick is too ugly, time to stop watching. Not only that, but I've never even heard that talked about in those forms of media. But for some gamers is seems to be a deal breaker.

It's different in video games when they sell you an agenda with that character.

ND has a good looking women, scans her body and does everything they can to make her as manly as possible? Why? Give me a character editor at that point.
 
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