Topher
Identifies as young
Ugh....no way man. Outlaws chick is just ugly with or without hair. She looks like a damn bug to me.
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Ugh....no way man. Outlaws chick is just ugly with or without hair. She looks like a damn bug to me.
near
Gold Member
Compared to what she looks like with hair, I'd say so. Beauty is subjective.
2013 so the very end of ps3, 11 years passed already, how the time flies
I'll take her but you're cheating, she was built and mentored to be like a super agent and her powers come from this ghost entity that protects her, also did she had the signature "badass" (i.e snarky, smartass, self absorbing, douche, condecending, straight up rude) "personality" that plagues all of today's female characters? I don't remember her being like that
CompleteGlobalSaturation
Member
WOMEN ARE NOT ALLOWEDI remember when they had taste.
Jordan looks like a disaster.
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hemo memo
You can't die before your death
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Rockstar is doing this in an open world game.
Even Bioware did it in an RPG with a character creator.
This is done simply to push an agenda. Nothing more.
LectureMaster
Gold Member
Haha you know I was memeing
Neither of them are what I find good design for my aesthetic appreciation.
No. That's your opinion.She has an androgynous face and that haircut doesn't help. In the movie The Supremes at Earl's All-You-Can-Eat, she has long hair (probably a wig).
VulcanRaven
Member
I have seen many African American actresses with bald head so it could be cultural thing too.
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midnightAI
Banned
What agenda is that? the no-hair agenda?
Wandering Leopard
Member
I'm lost, they've created a character with a shaved head and zero makeup; we've seen approx. 4mins with a protagonist that barely says anything - please clarify, what agenda are they pushing?
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Topher
Identifies as young
lol....I kinda figured, but yeah....I had a hard time looking at bug woman. Not going to pretend bald would be my choice either. But....meh.....it's fine. I'm more interested in what the game is as the theme and such check a lot of boxes for me personally. I even said prior to Veilguard that I can stomach a lot if the game is good enough.
PeteBull
Member
Her name is Ella Balinska, and as u can guess from her name, she is 50% polish, aka white, her dad was polish count, all in the wikiOnly this African Kween can save Druckman now:
Ella Balinska - Wikipedia
Ofc square made her much uglier in the game, but its nothing surprising, western devs do it to women, especially beautiful women.
That baldie from new NG trailier didnt have to even be uglified, tells u all u need to know about her beauty lvl, when western dev thinks- yeh, she uggo enough, we dont have to put in any nerfs, no male gaze will happen anyways ;p .
Topher
Identifies as young
I don't think this is about hair rendering, but it may have nothing to do with an agenda either. Could be they simply wanted to show the actress as she is.
LectureMaster
Gold Member
I am on the exact boat with you, my man. Like I won't turn down the game just for what's shown for now. If the character design fits the grand game settings (overworld, narrative etc.), I can see myself ignoring the unpleasant appearance (for me) and still enjoying game.
I probably will still check out Veilguard at some deep discount, cuz the steam review stays around 71%, which tells me it's not like something that's completely shitty.
playbignbox
Member
Mister Wolf
Member
It's not. It's synonymous with the type of people she run with in Hollyweird. So is the bull nose ring and arm sleeve.
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kingfish
Banned
It's the Big Bald.
They're out there, hide your hairlines.
From the trailer/teaser we saw, everything looks fine to me so far - I just have a feeling we'll still be waiting a good bit to see more (2+ years). Hopefully they trickle more information soon or the release is sooner than we realize. From the character designs so far, it looks like this falls within the Naughty Dog style to be honest based on their prior releases. I can see why people are divisive, but there are some extreme hot takes here too. If anything, the main character we saw so far has similarities of Abby from The Last of Us 2 (whether you think that is a good thing or not). I wouldn't doubt if the character designer is the same one that did her. The facial renderings/captures seem to be pulling straight from the actor's themselves too (especially the photograph of the group). I'm sure they'll take liberties with the overall character design too to meet their overall game design style.
I do get more vibes of inspiration from Guardians of the Galaxy so far. I can see it from Akira/Cowboy Bebop too, but I'm sure we'll def see more later. As far as whether a Bounty Hunter needs muscles, I don't think it matters overall in terms of realism in fiction. Some do, some don't.
I do get more vibes of inspiration from Guardians of the Galaxy so far. I can see it from Akira/Cowboy Bebop too, but I'm sure we'll def see more later. As far as whether a Bounty Hunter needs muscles, I don't think it matters overall in terms of realism in fiction. Some do, some don't.
midnightAI
Banned
I;m not sure if that response is that I'm blind and cant see the agenda, or, if they are still trying to find an agenda
But still, what agenda?
simpatico
Member
The main character is the thing I dislike the least. I'm not even sure I dislike her. Could be cool for a character action game type of thing. Especially if they steer into the sadistic look. It's the derivatives for me. The jukebox she stole from Starlord's crash pad, small spaceship and red leather jacket. Even the general tone of the music choices. I guess they've always borrowed core concepts without being shy about it. Uncharted, TLOU etc. Maybe it just hits harder since Sony just released a game that aped the same property. Eye patch lady was a way worse offender than the MC imo. That's an archetype that is just flat out played better as a man. Bonus points for an English/Aussie/Saffer accent. The actual gameplay, chopping up jungle robots with a laser sword, is probably gonna be cool as fuck. But even that is another head scratcher in a broader sense. Sony's other tent pole franchise is literally a stronk woman who fights jungle robots with melee weapons.
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midnightAI
Banned
I reckon that character is a callback to other 80's characters though, like Snake Plissken
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skneogaf
Member
Main character is uninteresting and obvious for nowadays but I bet the gameplay will be amazing as usual.
90 plus percent of the people that like this type of game will be male yet we're forced to play as someone most will have zero interest in.
It would be crazy if this is a flop.
90 plus percent of the people that like this type of game will be male yet we're forced to play as someone most will have zero interest in.
It would be crazy if this is a flop.
midnightAI
Banned
Pretty cool, but simple breakdown of some of the stuff they noticed...
(also just noticed the cup is Macho Nacho which is also referenced in Uncharted and The Last of Us)
(also just noticed the cup is Macho Nacho which is also referenced in Uncharted and The Last of Us)
Stooky
Banned
i know things ‘wink’
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Could feature multiple playable characters like TLOU series
I expect we may play as Dalton
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
She does have nice cake in that trailer
And I mean, it's based on the actress. So maybe a 6.5/7 out of 10 on the thicc meter.
That's usually with guys tho and a lot of that in sports. Could be for aerodynamics even, like it'd probably be hard to be faster with an afro vs. bald because the afro would create wind resistance.
I'm looking at it like a car analogy. As for the actress, IIRC she's mixed African-American/Korean. Honestly I don't care about people's ethnic backgrounds like that but for whatever reason there are folks on both sides bringing it up in cases like this
I mean, that's their choice. Does every film focus on a super-hot female character? Again even going back to something like Alien, Ripley was never a conventionally attractive character IMHO.
Even so, they stuck with that, and we got one hell of an iconic film character regardless of gender. Even in Alien 3, when she was outright bald, she was the best part of that film (either version). I'm not gonna start dictating devs can only feature such and such characters or else they're pushing some hideous agenda. I don't support censorship, regardless which way.
There aren't that many guys with that soft of skin or facial features.
Isn't that Lalo from Better Call Saul.
Isn't he Latino?
Just checked, he's mixed white/Mexican. Basically white Latino. And TBF, he's played bad guys in lots of work (at least the stuff I've seen him in). It would be clever if they flipped it though and he turns out to be a good guy, just to get out of typecasting him.
DavidGzz
Gold Member
Geralt is ugly AF. So is Marcus in Gears. The Silent Hill dude is pretty average. All the protagonists in GTA 5 are average to ugly. Idk, seems pretty common for men in games to be average too.
PleazureDome
Member
Page 69 is right around the corner boys...keep up the good work.
Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
Do you want to know the fun part? Intergalactic is like Stellar Blade, but more realistic and with greater sales potential, this protagonist tends to be bi and there will be a lot of men wanting her.
Stooky
Banned
that was dumb
Bernardougf
Member
Mate the idea of masculine or feminine features will always apply to my eyes as long as it is an humanoid specially one exactly human-like and not some animal... its just how my brain was programed and no ammount of crazynes and rainbows can change that.... you may choose to see the world trough their eyes and endure their "fantasies" ... its ok by me... just dont espect everyone to feel the same ...
Complain? Because Im a costumer.. I can Complain whatever and whenever I want it .. I wont go to twitter accounts or harass anyone ... but do a simple and innocent complain on a open board like this ? Its perfectly ok...
Who shouldn't complain are them, when their games and if their games fail (in a broad sense not just ND) ... they make their choices so the market will decide ... no complaints should be made, but they will..and probably will be pretty offensive as usual.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Rockstar is doing this in an open world game.
Even Bioware did it in an RPG with a character creator.
This is done simply to push an agenda. Nothing more.
Sure an agenda. You got it pal. So what's the agenda? Let me guess.....
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Her name is Ella Balinska, and as u can guess from her name, she is 50% polish, aka white, her dad was polish count, all in the wiki
U can tell right away she is far from ur standard black woman lookElla Balinska - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Ofc square made her much uglier in the game, but its nothing surprising, western devs do it to women, especially beautiful women.
That baldie from new NG trailier didnt have to even be uglified, tells u all u need to know about her beauty lvl, when western dev thinks- yeh, she uggo enough, we dont have to put in any nerfs, no male gaze will happen anyways ;p .
Yo my man.....thats a black woman. That's what some black women look like. Doesn't matter that her dad is Polish.
Weird that y'all out here talking about what a "standard black woman look"
FunkMiller
Member
*Catches up on the last several pages* 
Jesus, lads. Can me and
James Sawyer Ford
just go back to arguing over whether this is Blade Runner or Guardians Of The Galaxy?
Jesus, lads. Can me and
James Sawyer Ford
just go back to arguing over whether this is Blade Runner or Guardians Of The Galaxy?
Stooky
Banned
but she is a woman……
Kronark
Neo Member
The genre is a scathing criticism of hyper capitalism fueled by technology and how that technology allows corporations dig deeper and deeper into our lives, dehumanize us in pursuit of profit, and monetize basic rights and freedoms. The entire "punk" part is about the people who live outside of the day to day system by themselves exploiting or re-purposing the system from the shadows and gaps. Hackers, Nomads, etc. It's an exploration / warning about some of the problems we could face in the near future. How is any of that not political? Do you think politics is just saying women good, men bad? Politics and philosophy go hand in hand and art will always be a medium to express or explore ideas.
Artists should be allowed to do whatever they want and art should always be free. My only pushback against the industry and the current woke-ness stuff is that it's frequently one of the two:
1) Censorship: Often it's not the intent of the artists and instead a mandate from some corporate HR / Exec assholes who are clueless about art. I'm more than happy to see these types of assholes lose money. Let the artists do their jobs.
2) Lecturing: They're not a genuine expression or exploration of some of these woke ideals but instead the game shaming you, beating your over the head with the subject, and lecturing. These games just say hey if you don't believe X, Y, and Z you're an asshole instead of working within the medium to foster positive emotions like empathy and understanding. Basically they're dog shit art made by jaded assholes (Dustborn for example). By all means the artists are allowed to make these things, I just don't want to engage with or pay for them.
I'm also kind of tired of the other side of the coin though. There are plenty of jaded asshole gamers that need to be called out too. If your reaction to the Witcher 4 trailer Ciri reveal was the to go on the internet and spam "Ewwww Woke", please grow the fuck up and get our of your mom's basement. Same with the people saying they don't want politics in their games. Politics interacts with every aspect of our lives and will unfortunately always shape your life, whether you like it or not. You can bury your head in the sand but you're just being childish and ignoring the problem. If you don't want politics in your games I better not catch your ass playing or praising a fucking Metal Gear Solid title, go play pong / tetris and live in your little anti political bubble, but realize stories about humans will always be political in some way. You just get mad and call it politics when the views expressed differ from yours.
InterMusketeer
Member
Just a real questionable one, with no discernible pros and only cons. A risky move. Especially for a highly anticipated PS5 exclusive that aims for mass appeal.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
*Catches up on the last several pages*
Jesus, lads. Can me and
Seriously! Those discussions would be better.
midnightAI
Banned
I'll start, definitely more Blade Runner*Catches up on the last several pages*
Jesus, lads. Can me and
This is ND, this will not be some feelgood fuzzy game, it will be violent, it will be dark
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
You're assuming games sell based on how sexy the main character is. I could agree with you that a straight up ugly character could hurt, but this main character isn't ugly. She just has a shaved head.
Stooky
Banned
Her name is Ella Balinska, and as u can guess from her name, she is 50% polish, aka white, her dad was polish count, all in the wiki
U can tell right away she is far from ur standard black woman lookElla Balinska - Wikipedia
Ofc square made her much uglier in the game, but its nothing surprising, western devs do it to women, especially beautiful women.
That baldie from new NG trailier didnt have to even be uglified, tells u all u need to know about her beauty lvl, when western dev thinks- yeh, she uggo enough, we dont have to put in any nerfs, no male gaze will happen anyways ;p .
what is a standard black women look?
The reason people think there's an "agenda" is because ever since 2018-2020 every studio has been encouraged to diversify games. The problem is is that the reality shows gaming to be a heavily male-dominated field. I think, in general, people would be ok playing as a woman in a game, but by 2024 it has become obvious that there has been increased pressure in corporations (hence the DEI label) to diversify these games for the sake of diversity. It feels forced, especially when these game devs are still controlled by majority white men. It's performative and further divides people into either A. a left leaning person who wants to take diversity as some kind of cultural victory and B. the male conservative (or center left/right) who feels like they're being forced to align with some kind of agenda.
It's really not that hard to see how this cultural war has gotten to this point.
It's really not that hard to see how this cultural war has gotten to this point.
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Bernardougf
Member
I wonder what game failing and bombing hard will finally get this phrase to lose its meaning..... because its slowly becoming a death sentence.
This past week I saw a post on instagram from a very much mainstream poster that definitely is not some gamer/nerd and dont even cover games ... but he made a post mocking the GTA VI "more inclusivity and toned down" news that came out last week and he received tousends of positive feedback.
Ive being saying for quite some time .. this idea that the mainstream gamer dosent care about this stuff is a nice way to cope ... problem is that every woke/Dei influenced game failing this gen is turning this cope into pure delusion.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
So why didn't Stellar Blade get hit with this "diversity" agenda talk by those folks?
AyraSutoraifu
Member
Or, there is something to it story related. And Druckman uses it in the trailer to piss of people.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
So why did Baulders Gate 3 sell so well and get so much high praise?