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[Mister Wolf]

Never forget that trolls exist.



And so was parts in Spiderman 2 and Dragon Age 4, yet people still scream WOKE!


A hobo? Did you see her jacket and shoes?


This is just magical. Play this video and close your eyes. NO WAY most of GAF wouldn't think this is amazing!

Good point. I think it's a big stretch comparing an entire side mission dedicated to homosexual matchmaking and homosexual pride flags adorning the game to turning down the romantic advances of a same sex companion and never having to deal with said advances ever again.

 

[Fake]

Gaf still afraid of the bald woman?

Are you assuming her gender?

 

[Ghost23]

My personal opinion on "them" is that they are tired of seeing women being lead characters in games. Unless they are personally sexually attracted to the women lead character, then they are okay with it. But if they do not want to have sex with her then the main character needs to be a white male.

Your quotes around "them" is unnecessary, unless you are purposely trying to reflect a sarcastic tone?

If you are implying these are MY views, then I will clarify for you. I think stellar blade, and anime in general, is incredibly cringe. Have no interest in those characters or games with an infantile, overly sexual view on characters, both male and female. On the other side, I also think the Western focus on completely removing a male gaze and focusing on diversity for the sake of "progress" is cringe. I do not for one second believe this influx of women-lead video games is a natural result of the work force becoming more female. It's a Zeitgeist, a pressure of the times, and Neil in particular seems to enjoy this side of progressiveness. Like I said earlier, I would love to chat with him and understand his motivations behind his particular decisions. Perhaps he just really wants to tell stories about women, which I would say in that case maybe take the sideline and let a woman run the project? But, unfortunately, I work in a corporate world that has seen what DEI actually is and what this phenomenon is trying to promote, and it's clear that the Western culture feels a responsibility to enact this kind of change, despite the real problem (the higher ups run by white men) being untouched.

But my real opinion of this game itself is that the 80's aesthetic is so tired by this point. We've been stuck with Gen X'ers wanting to relive the 80's for over 15 years now. The score, the color grading, etc is just so boring to me. Sony and Naughty Dog want to be movies so badly, and I think video games trying to only emulate that side of the medium is a mistake. I really don't know what ND could have done that would get me excited for their new IP, but the more they embrace being Hollywood the less interested I get.

 

[Saturn Dragon]

What if what we've seen is just a little segment of the game where the main character goes bald? Could be a flashback or whatever. Then it's all the game with super feminine hair showing off the ultimate ND physics HAIR ENGINE technology.

PS: The trailer sucks ass.

 

[Bernardougf]

My personal opinion on "them" is that they are tired of seeing women being lead characters in games. Unless they are personally sexually attracted to the women lead character, then they are okay with it. But if they do not want to have sex with her then the main character needs to be a white male.

Why exactly it has to be a WHITE male ? Has anyone complained about a black male lead ? ... this would be extremely racist... can you point to this thread ?

 

[InterMusketeer]

Never forget that trolls exist.

Come on now. Everyone can clearly see the sizable negative response the trailer has garnered. In this thread, on GAF in general and across the internet. You can't in good faith claim that's largely attributed to trolls.

 

[cebri.one]

Come on now. Everyone can clearly see the sizable negative response the trailer has garnered. In this thread, on GAF in general and across the internet. You can't in good faith claim that's largely attributed to trolls.

Fragile people mostly.

 

[near]

Why exactly it has to be a WHITE male ? Has anyone complained about a black male lead ? ... this would be extremely racist... can you point to this thread ?

The default counter argument is that we're advocating for white male leads.

 

[Nowa]

It’ll be “inspired” by classic anime in the same way that Kathleen Kennedy + Rian Johnson were inspired by Star Wars 4-6 or Amazon was inspired by Peter Jackson’s LotR trilogy.

In other words, they grew up loving it, but now there’s some nagging cognitive dissonance because it was filled with stuff that is problematic and doesn’t fully conform to 2024 progressive intersectional ideology. They see it as their job to fix it up and update it for Modern Audiences.

It's crazy, they have no respect for it at all.

 

[mckmas8808]

Your quotes around "them" is unnecessary, unless you are purposely trying to reflect a sarcastic tone?

If you are implying these are MY views, then I will clarify for you. I think stellar blade, and anime in general, is incredibly cringe. Have no interest in those characters or games with an infantile, overly sexual view on characters, both male and female. On the other side, I also think the Western focus on completely removing a male gaze and focusing on diversity for the sake of "progress" is cringe. I do not for one second believe this influx of women-lead video games is a natural result of the work force becoming more female. It's a Zeitgeist, a pressure of the times, and Neil in particular seems to enjoy this side of progressiveness. Like I said earlier, I would love to chat with him and understand his motivations behind his particular decisions. Perhaps he just really wants to tell stories about women, which I would say in that case maybe take the sideline and let a woman run the project? But, unfortunately, I work in a corporate world that has seen what DEI actually is and what this phenomenon is trying to promote, and it's clear that the Western culture feels a responsibility to enact this kind of change, despite the real problem (the higher ups run by white men) being untouched.

But my real opinion of this game itself is that the 80's aesthetic is so tired by this point. We've been stuck with Gen X'ers wanting to relive the 80's for over 15 years now. The score, the color grading, etc is just so boring to me. Sony and Naughty Dog want to be movies so badly, and I think video games trying to only emulate that side of the medium is a mistake. I really don't know what ND could have done that would get me excited for their new IP, but the more they embrace being Hollywood the less interested I get.

No I did not use the quotes to make it seem as if their thoughts are your thoughts. I believe you when you you do not share their thoughts.

To what you said about the '80s, I appreciate your opinion and it does look like you understand that it is just an opinion and not a general rule that everybody believes in. I was born in 1983, so as soon as I heard the music and seen the Aesthetics of Intergalactic of course it made my brain explode. It is up my alley and that will never change.

For some of us the '80s aesthetic isn't something that you can get tired of. It's ingrained in the DNA of most of us who are the oldest millennials. It's not a phase for us but literally our upbringing. And that will never change. Any entertainment media that can tap into that will forever have our love.

Me personally loving this Intergalactic trailer video has way more to do with the sounds and Aesthetics that naughty dog has captured than just how pretty or ugly the main character's face is.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Your quotes around "them" is unnecessary, unless you are purposely trying to reflect a sarcastic tone?

If you are implying these are MY views, then I will clarify for you. I think stellar blade, and anime in general, is incredibly cringe. Have no interest in those characters or games with an infantile, overly sexual view on characters, both male and female. On the other side, I also think the Western focus on completely removing a male gaze and focusing on diversity for the sake of "progress" is cringe. I do not for one second believe this influx of women-lead video games is a natural result of the work force becoming more female. It's a Zeitgeist, a pressure of the times, and Neil in particular seems to enjoy this side of progressiveness. Like I said earlier, I would love to chat with him and understand his motivations behind his particular decisions. Perhaps he just really wants to tell stories about women, which I would say in that case maybe take the sideline and let a woman run the project? But, unfortunately, I work in a corporate world that has seen what DEI actually is and what this phenomenon is trying to promote, and it's clear that the Western culture feels a responsibility to enact this kind of change, despite the real problem (the higher ups run by white men) being untouched.

But my real opinion of this game itself is that the 80's aesthetic is so tired by this point. We've been stuck with Gen X'ers wanting to relive the 80's for over 15 years now. The score, the color grading, etc is just so boring to me. Sony and Naughty Dog want to be movies so badly, and I think video games trying to only emulate that side of the medium is a mistake. I really don't know what ND could have done that would get me excited for their new IP, but the more they embrace being Hollywood the less interested I get.

My thoughts too.

Last time I played anime style games was NES and Genesis/SNES days when you couldnt avoid it as tons of games were from Japan. Dont get me wrong, I enjoyed Cybernator, Phantasy Star, MUSHA etc... But once I got into PC games more playing WRPGs and such it's so different and better for my tastes.

The 80s vibes still fits well for GotG movies, but for gaming and tv shows it's like the trend of WWII games where it just thinned out. People had enough.

 

[Saber]

Gaf still afraid of the bald woman?

You can keep repeating this same monologue as a low effort bait, but this mc design is still awful though.

Come on now. Everyone can clearly see the sizable negative response the trailer has garnered. In this thread, on GAF in general and across the internet. You can't in good faith claim that's largely attributed to trolls.

He is not doing good in faith(specially when it's about console war shenigans) and sooner or later the mods will remind people of that.

 

[PeteBull]

Why exactly it has to be a WHITE male ? Has anyone complained about a black male lead ? ... this would be extremely racist... can you point to this thread ?

Exactly, make him look like Barret, with gattling gun in his arm, he could even have some energy blade attached too, or some mighty transforming hammer, possibilities are endless, but main thing is- he would be big masculine male so it would be fun to play as such a character

 

[mckmas8808]

Why exactly it has to be a WHITE male ? Has anyone complained about a black male lead ? ... this would be extremely racist... can you point to this thread ?

I'm not sure how old you are, but I was around on GAF when Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas trailer first released. And oh boy............ For some folks they went nuclear

Come on now. Everyone can clearly see the sizable negative response the trailer has garnered. In this thread, on GAF in general and across the internet. You can't in good faith claim that's largely attributed to trolls.

Of course I can. The same way people also thought The Snakes on a Plane movie would be a big hit due to all of the conversation on the internet that was happening about it. Do not believe everything you see in the comment section is real.

 

[Wandering Leopard]

Gaf still afraid of the bald woman?

I think it's more like some people think game devs have an obligation to always create objectively attractive protagonists. But it's very clear that ND do not want that to be the intention/focus.

Although commercially, I think it makes a lot of sense to make a protagonist, especially one in a new ip, as attractive as possible.

For me, I don't care, maybe because I started gaming during the psx era, when most of the time, you couldn't tell what what the characters looked like.

 

[Ghost23]

No I did not use the quotes to make it seem as if their thoughts are your thoughts. I believe you when you you do not share their thoughts.

To what you said about the '80s, I appreciate your opinion and it does look like you understand that it is just an opinion and not a general rule that everybody believes in. I was born in 1983, so as soon as I heard the music and seen the Aesthetics of Intergalactic of course it made my brain explode. It is up my alley and that will never change.

For some of us the '80s aesthetic isn't something that you can get tired of. It's ingrained in the DNA of most of us who are the oldest millennials. It's not a phase for us but literally our upbringing. And that will never change. Any entertainment media that can tap into that will forever have our love.

Me personally loving this Intergalactic trailer video has way more to do with the sounds and Aesthetics that naughty dog has captured than just how pretty or ugly the main character's face is.

Yea it's annoying how both sides of the discourse has infested the internet. Most people will just enjoy the game and move on. Though I do get a sense of genuine curiosity observing the tribalism and how this country seems to be moving the goal posts farther and farther in each direction.

Well I am completely envious that you are getting your dream game. Enjoy it! Not many times do the stars align and the biggest devs put their heart into something that aligns with our specific interest. I can only pray that someone higher up shared my specific passions. In the mean time, I am getting a lot of interest in literature. Maybe one day I can get into games and help inspire what I want to see.

 

[RoboFu]

Just imagine if the game actually turns out to really be full of woke agenda. . Right now it's still just a maybe and it's getting a bad response but the big telling sign is that once again a dev took a pretty girl and made her more manly than she actually is. Not definitive but not looking too good either.

 

[Jaybe]

Cory’s new game will star Awkwafina, I’m calling it now

 

[Stooky]

This stuff has been sizzling for awhile. The left-leaning culture really blew up after Trump's 2016 victory. The diversity and DEI stuff is a product of the George Floyd 2020 riots, which was probably peak performative online virtue signaling. DEI was a product of those riots, and the games that have been influenced by that movement have started to finally come out after the 3-4 years of dev time. It's all been going on for almost 10 years at this point though.

that is accurate . all the games were being concepted between 2020-2022 are just now starting to come out. ND had been leaning that way after U4. really ND has always made left turns. When uncharted 1 came out. most games military,brown, orange color shooters. uncharted went with color and character.

 

[Physiognomonics]

My personal opinion on "them" is that they are tired of seeing women being lead characters in games. Unless they are personally sexually attracted to the women lead character, then they are okay with it. But if they do not want to have sex with her then the main character needs to be a white male.

Hold on. I don't think people wanted to have sex with Returnal's main character or even in most games featuring say Alien's Ripley. But Returnal's developers didn't made the game around her appearance or some kind of religion based on her gender and what she standed for. This is the main problem here. And BTW this is the main reason TLOU2 sucked. I could also cite games with black characters like Turok or Shadow Man which were awesome to play with. None of those games tried to force feed us with their marxist political agenda!

Both this game and ghost of Woke are going to flop spectacularly (not like Concord but relatively to the successes of their previous games).

 

[InterMusketeer]

Of course I can. The same way people also thought The Snakes on a Plane movie would be a big hit due to all of the conversation on the internet that was happening about it. Do not believe everything you see in the comment section is real.

 

[Bernardougf]

I'm not sure how old you are, but I was around on GAF when Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas trailer first released. And oh boy............ For some folks they went nuclear



Of course I can. The same way people also thought The Snakes on a Plane movie would be a big hit due to all of the conversation on the internet that was happening about it. Do not believe everything you see in the comment section is real.

So I can assume that the 2005 game you are using to try and salvage your strawmaning point after calling everyone racists did not sell very well ? ...

You have been banned not a long time a go.. so I would suggest you think before typing accusatory shit

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Gaf still afraid of the bald woman?

Possibly.

Like anything else in life, people prefer seeing good looking people. And baldy is isnt.

Also, ND and Druckmann have a history of preaching LBGT bigot sandwich plots and characters like in LOU. So given what everyone saw with the Intergalactic character with a shaved head, it gives an impression it might be more of that. No guarantee. Maybe the characters is straight and has a hunky boyfriend. But people go with first impressions and past history. There is also possibility she's lesbian and preaches about bigot sandwiches too.

 

[Mister Wolf]

Gaf still afraid of the bald woman?

Repulsed.

 

[Humdinger]

Wow, 70 pages. Well, maybe Druckmann knows what he's doing. He's certainly generating a lot of press/conversation around his game. And maybe it's true that there's no such thing as bad publicity...

 

[Bernardougf]

Wow, 70 pages. Well, maybe Druckmann knows what he's doing. He's certainly generating a lot of press/conversation around his game. And maybe it's true that there's no such thing as bad publicity...

Well in this case Concord and Vailguard should be a HUGE success ... oh wait.

 

[Humdinger]

Well in this case Concord and Vailguard should be a HUGE success ... oh wait.

Well, maybe not always... lol

But he has certainly drawn attention to his game.

 

[VulcanRaven]

Hold on. I don't think people wanted to have sex with Returnal's main character or even in most games featuring say Alien's Ripley. But Returnal's developers didn't made the game around her appearance or some kind of religion based on her gender and what she standed for. This is the main problem here. And BTW this is the main reason TLOU2 sucked. I could also cite games with black characters like Turok or Shadow Man which were awesome to play with. None of those games tried to force feed us with their marxist political agenda!

Both this game and ghost of Woke are going to flop spectacularly (not like Concord but relatively to the successes of their previous games).

I remember many calling the Returnal main character ugly.

 

[cebri.one]

Possibly.

Like anything else in life, people prefer seeing good looking people. And baldy is isnt.

Also, ND and Druckmann have a history of preaching LBGT bigot sandwich plots and characters like in LOU. So given what everyone saw with the Intergalactic character with a shaved head, it gives an impression it might be more of that. No guarantee. Maybe the characters is straight and has a hunky boyfriend. But people go with first impressions and past history. There is also possibility she's lesbian and preaches about bigot sandwiches too.

Why would it be bad if she was a lesbian?

 

[Mister Wolf]

Well, maybe not always... lol

But he has certainly drawn attention to his game.

Him and his detractors have a love to hate each other relationship. It's fun.

 

[Sophist]

No. That's your opinion.

well, yeah, that's why we all here; to share our opinions. Do i have to start every sentence with "IMO or something?

 

[Saber]

But he has certainly drawn attention to his game.

Dude, how many years ND has being going without a new project? Of course a new project would have this amount of discussion, wheter is good or bad reaction lol

 

[Wandering Leopard]

Just imagine if the game actually turns out to really be full of woke agenda. . Right now it's still just a maybe and it's getting a bad response but the big telling sign is that once again a dev took a pretty girl and made her more manly than she actually is. Not definitive but not looking too good either.

There's no value in taking a firm stance on imagined things that may, or may not happen in the future - it's better decide or form conclusions when we learn more / have more certainty.

 

[Humdinger]

Him and his detractors have a love to hate each other relationship. It's fun.

It's a little crazy. It's like someone threw a piece red meat in a room full of starving wolves.

Dude, how many years ND has being going without a new project? Of course a new project would have this amount of discussion, wheter is good or bad reaction lol

Yeah, I know any new ND would pull attention. This is a little beyond that, though.

 

[NewYork214]

Just because the main character is female doesn't mean it's woke. I'm as anti-woke as possible but some of you are literally just the other side of the sjw coin

Jesus, Ripley is like one of the most bad asses in film. Guess they were preemptively woke

 

[Heart_Attack]

I find it hilarious after The Last of Us 2 and how Cuckman changed things up for the HBO adaptation (season 1), that some can't accept this shit will be woke as hell. It is OK to criticize the clown show.

 

[Bernardougf]

Oh surely... and I hope Sony Japan is very aware of all this "good" attention he is baiting and getting.

 

[NewYork214]

And if bald is the reason. Go fight whatever the fuck they are fighting with long flowing hair. Makes no sense for a combative soldier type

 

[JaksGhost]

Him and his detractors have a love to hate each other relationship. It's fun.

It’s the worst and longest breakup in their life, and seeing Druckmann continue to succeed pisses them off.

 

[Humdinger]

Oh surely... and I hope Sony Japan is very aware of all this "good" attention he is baiting and getting.

Baiting is the right word. I think Druckmann probably knew what he was doing. "Oh this will piss them off..."

 

[Bernardougf]

Just because the main character is female doesn't mean it's woke. I'm as anti-woke as possible but some of you are literally just the other side of the sjw coin

Jesus the Ripley is like one of the most bad asses in film. Guess they were preemptively woke

Giving the studio and creator behind the character .. yes .. it is .. or better.. it will be ... ND and Drukmann deserve 0 benefit of the doubt in this particular subject... if the game will be awsome thats another subject ... but wokeness and dei is part of the game creator DNA and studio since at least Uncharted 4.

 

[Hookshot]

You don't have to worry about hair physics if you make even the women bald.

 

[JaksGhost]

Oh surely... and I hope Sony Japan is very aware of all this "good" attention he is baiting and getting.

Is the Japan branch in charge or the California branch because this narrative switch is confusing.

 

[shamoomoo]

Come on now. Everyone can clearly see the sizable negative response the trailer has garnered. In this thread, on GAF in general and across the internet. You can't in good faith claim that's largely attributed to trolls.

Yes ,you can. There was nothing going on in the trailer reveal to garner anger. Naughty Dog reveal the character and some crazy people got super butt hurt over nothing.

 

[shoegaze]

Ugh.

Not digging the already stale 80's aesthetic. How about something electrifying and forward thinking? They must have a bunch of world class artists and this is what they've come up with. Man.

And the contrived androgynous protagonist? Something must be blatantly wrong with me as I enjoy being inspired by the best of humanity and lose myself in the fantasy of it. Equally driven by the female or male energy and aesthetic - but embodied by the likeness of it.

... Who the fuck gets inspired by a strong chinned women, what the fuck. I can't believe even women look up to this. Why is this a thing. Is this what upcoming generation of girls are into? Is my son out of luck when he'll get to dating age? I have so many questions.

One of my favourite studios possibly creating a second flop in a row. Or it's not the same studio anymore.

 

[shamoomoo]

well, yeah, that's why we all here; to share our opinions. Do i have to start every sentence with "IMO or something?

Yes.

 

[Saber]

Just because the main character is female doesn't mean it's woke. I'm as anti-woke as possible but some of you are literally just the other side of the sjw coin

It has more to do with the presentation itself(like wasting a video on the shaving the head part), design choice and history of the company and Cuckman himself.

Yes ,you can. There was nothing going on in the trailer reveal to garner anger. Naughty Dog reveal the character and some crazy people got super butt hurt over nothing.

What part of this discussion revealed anger? Now if people don't like what they saw that means they are angered?

 

[Bernardougf]

Is Sony Japan in charge or the California branch because this narrative switch is confusing.

Oh I think California still is very much running the show .... but Japan shouldn't be oblivious to all this shit afterall Japan does not abide to this woke stuff.. I think they dont care while their wallets are FAT..

BUT concord must have turned up all kind of signals up there.. if not than Hulst is a very good bullshiter

 

[NewYork214]

Giving the studio and creator behind the character .. yes .. it is .. or better.. it will be ... ND and Drukmann deserve 0 benefit of the doubt in this particular subject... if the game will be awsome thats another subject ... but wokeness and dei is part of the game creator DNA and studio since at least Uncharted 4.

This isnt all directed at you, just in general.

Idk. A lot of you are setting the game up to be bad in your head, just off a teaser. Just silly to me. Why not just keep an open mind until we actually see more. Not like people crying on forums is going to make them change anything.

And honestly, I don't even get the woke shit people cry about in TLoU 2. A micro story without much depth for a tranny kid didnt bother me. And a muscle head girl in post apocalypse makes sense. Who gives a fuck. The game still has some of the best gameplay to date.

To each their own, or maybe I'm just getting to old to care.

 

[VulcanRaven]

Ugh.

Not digging the already stale 80's aesthetic. How about something electrifying and forward thinking? They must have a bunch of world class artists and this is what they've come up with. Man.

And the contrived androgynous protagonist? Something must be blatantly wrong with me as I enjoy being inspired by the best of humanity and lose myself in the fantasy of it. Equally driven by the female or male energy and aesthetic - but embodied by the likeness of it.

... Who the fuck gets inspired by a strong chinned women, what the fuck. I can't believe even women look up to this. Why is this a thing. Is this what upcoming generation of girls are into? Is my son out of luck when he'll get to dating age? I have so many questions.

One of my favourite studios possibly creating a second flop in a row. Or it's not the same studio anymore.

The main character is played by a real actress Tati Gabrielle. Being bald doesn't make you androgynous.

Edit: What is this flop you mention that Naughty Dog has made?