Heimdall_Xtreme
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Tati's Mother is Blasian and farther is supposedly a Black American,Tati is like 1/4 Korean.
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Fabieter
Member
Women can get muscular just by working out or have a very physical job without taking testosterone or steroids.
The main character looks 100% like a dude. When women are super sporty they just don't start looking like a man.
proandrad
Member
Not sure why you keep pushing this white man thing. It's not a color thing people just like the hero to look attractive. Most people would have loved it if this was the main character.
VulcanRaven
Member
She is not more muscular than the real actress is in Uncharted movie.
Dr.Morris79
Member
Fess
Member
People are just tired of the western design pattern for the last 5 years or so and see through the political bs. And sometimes overreact no doubt. But a whole industry isn’t changing without strings being pulled. We know that Sweet baby inc has been there fiddling in many games and while it’s not like Netflix where everyone is suddenly turning black there is no doubt other DEI strings pulled way too often in gaming.
I’d say just bring in a truly competent and open character creator in every game. There, fixed it. Play with whatever character you want to play as. It’s your choice.
The artful mincer
Member
2 reasons
I believe but cannot prove that this game has artificially high dislike numbers.
1.Due to large and many influencers bringing a lot of attention to audience's that probably weren't interested in the game but will en mass go and dislike it.
2.The old comment about a "game for everyone is a game for no one" I think has some relevance here. Every decision a developer makes alienates some fans while pleasing others. As long as the likes are at similar absolute levels to other Sony First party games I don't think Naughty Dog will worry too much.
Generally I've seen zero compelling evidence that being woke or anti woke affect game sales.
This game like all games will live or die on it's gameplay, graphics, story, world building etc.
Fabieter
Member
Her whole body look more manly so iam not so sure about that.
SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
1996: Another cartoon mascot with "attitude". So generic and expected.
2001: Sci-fi cartoon platformer, so generic and expected
2007: Tomb raider with a nondescript dude. So generic and expected.
2013: Gruff white dude fights zombies, literally the most generic thing I have ever seen.
I don't know why you're judging a ND game based on the appearance of the main character. At no point in history would that have been a good idea.
You don't get the message and yet you find that message overbearing? Make that make sense.
Can you post a thread of this?
Mister Wolf
Member
True. And we have numerous female tennis players, gymnists, track and field, basketball players, boxers, and UFC fighters that make this point clear.
VulcanRaven
Member
I don't remember a big backlash when Anya Taylor-Joy was bald in the Furiosa movie earlier this year.
near
Gold Member
It bombed at the box office anyway.
Loboxxx
Member
I don't see a man, I see a woman. You can ask for her to be dressed in a skirt and two pigtails, but I don't think that's the studio's vision for her character.
Kotaro
Member
Mister Wolf
Member
Check the box office for that movie. The majority of men aren't on the internet getting into arguments. They just speak with their wallet.
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Lokaum D+
Member
the problem wasn't the actress, the problem is that WB sold the first movie as Mad Max and we got Furiosa instead, fool me once, not twice, fuck WB
Bernardougf
Member
Its package thing.. you dont like bald ugly masculinized woman so obviously youNot sure why you keep pushing this white man thing. It's not a color thing people just like the hero to look attractive. Most people would have loved it if this was the main character.
are racist and only want white straight man in your games.
Oldest leftists/woke bullshit ever ... pulling the race card whener they can.
midnightAI
Banned
But you responded to someone who said they like muscly women by replying with:
Which I then replied stating not all women who are muscular take testosterone or steroids
I wasnt even talking about the game
near
Gold Member
Just pointing out that no one cared about the film let alone Anya Taylor-Joy's bald head.
sainraja
Member
Does it matter?
Two properties can be inspired from similar material and come across as similar.
diffusionx
Gold Member
Naughty Dog obviously is designing women characters to be ambiguous in terms of sexual characteristics, we saw it in Last of Us 2, despite what the simps tried to claim otherwise, women dont have bodies like Abby. It also means that they are obviously designing this character in these ways intentionally to deviate from what the actual actress looks like, who is unambiguously female.
AI can usually tell based on face shape, but has a hard time with Jordan.
If you want to play as this weird looking character or think it looks good, fine. But don't deny what they are doing because it is just an objective fact.
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Fabieter
Member
It's not about her clothes. Her whole shape and energy isn't female.
This isn't a women and actually I think devs hate women if they actually try to make them more like man.
Fess
Member
80s?
G.I Jane - 1997
Alien 3 - 1992
Fury Road - 2015
And all those actresses were models or sex symbol material. Nobody thought Demi Moore looked unappealing even with shaved head. Same with Sigourney Weaver. And Charlize Theron has always been a doll face.
sainraja
Member
We are basically at a point where both sides are acting similarly but on opposing sides.
We're facing people who are on edge, some who have had enough and some that are basically the same type of people but on opposite sides lol. There does not seem to be any balance in most of the views being expressed.
Loboxxx
Member
It is you who do not accept the character design, the problem is yours. Not all the protagonists have to be young redheads, with big breasts and dressed in latex, there should be room for other types of women. You expect that woman who travels alone to put on makeup in the morning to start the day, I can understand that she does not do it.
VulcanRaven
Member
Do you really believe it had something to do with the main character being bald. She had hair for most of the movie and trailers. Its just wasn't a very good idea to make a Mad Max movie without Mad Max. Also Fury Road doesn't seem to be a big box office success like some people expect. From Wikipedia: "Although the film made a gross profit, The Hollywood Reporter calculated that the net loss incurred by the film was around $20–40 million."it's box office bomb. lost $200M
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Nickolaidas
Member
You really think 'sense' is the hill you want to die on when the main character looks like she wouldn't be able to take one heartbeat from the mechanical monstrosity she's about to face at the end of the trailer?
Nickolaidas
Member
Maybe, but it still works in our favor as it shows that the anti-woke aren't this miniscule minority that the wokies try to present them as.
On the other hand, Hogwart's Legacy sold like cupcakes, despite the wokies' eternal oath to boycott it.
Makes you wonder who is the real minority, doesn't it?
What do Japanese gamers think of Intergalactic? Let's find out
Naughty Dog's newly revealed Intergalactic is inspired by Akira and Cowboy Bebop. What do Japanese gamers think? I've gone and taken a look at some popular Japanese Youtube videos covering the reveal. I previously did this for Oppenheimer, too, to get a better sense of what Japanese moviegoers...
near
Gold Member
Precisely why I think MC is supposed to represent non-binary people. It was a conscious design choice to name the MC Jordan, a unisex name. Jordan does not look female, does not look male. Played by a female actress, while the character leans more towards a masculine demeanour. It's all very deliberate. Again, nothing wrong with liking Jordan's character design, but lets not be in denial about the obvious.
proandrad
Member
I also don't expect a human to jump 20ft in the air with a sword to battle a giant robot. You can draw your line of realism wherever you like. Single player narrative driven games are solid firstly on the MC and this one had a very bad first reaction with most gamers. Not even a woke/antiwoke thing at this point, most people interest in this type of game don't seem to like the MC.
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TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Reminds me of ken leung from Rush Hour, similar mannerisms too
AI can usually tell based on face shape, but has a hard time with Jordan.
midnightAI
Banned
Lets see if I can maybe, possible (nah), start a conversation about the actual game itself....
So, easter eggs, I know of the following:
Macho Nacho cups etc. (product placement but was mentioned in Last of Us and Uncharted)
Her name is Jordan A Mun.... JAM, Naughty Dig were originally called JAM Software
The cover image of her holding the sword behind her back is a very similar pose as Uncharted 1
The game is set in something99 (photo on the wall states 4 years ago on a photo stamped 95) , so, 1999, 2099, 2199 etc. we know that space travel is the norm, due to the tech on the ship though I'd say its actually set in 1999 and not the 80's
I thought one of the CD's may have been a Nine Inch Nails CD (Only), but not so sure now, probably isnt, but it wouldnt surprise me if there is an easter egg amongst those cd's
Any others?
So, easter eggs, I know of the following:
Macho Nacho cups etc. (product placement but was mentioned in Last of Us and Uncharted)
Her name is Jordan A Mun.... JAM, Naughty Dig were originally called JAM Software
The cover image of her holding the sword behind her back is a very similar pose as Uncharted 1
The game is set in something99 (photo on the wall states 4 years ago on a photo stamped 95) , so, 1999, 2099, 2199 etc. we know that space travel is the norm, due to the tech on the ship though I'd say its actually set in 1999 and not the 80's
I thought one of the CD's may have been a Nine Inch Nails CD (Only), but not so sure now, probably isnt, but it wouldnt surprise me if there is an easter egg amongst those cd's
Any others?
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AeonGaidenRaiden
Member
Official TLOU2 OT? I dont keep this stuff saved up in my bookmarks lol. Go through like 400 pages.
It’s starting to seem like the “difference” here is that there’s a segment of dudes who can’t stand to play a game as a character they’re not attracted to, which is weird. It’s weird to care that much about something so trivial. Why do people need to want to fuck a cartoon character in order to have a good time?
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
exactly. They are models and they are fucking cool as fuck in their makeup
Humdinger
Gold Member
Part of the narcissistic auteur profile - and I think Druckmann fits - is a desire to disturb the audience. They think that's the function of art - to disturb. In particular, to disturb the common man - to shake him out of his somnolence. I think that's partly what drives Druckmann to do this sort of thing. It's not "woke" so much as an inflated view of himself as a great Arteest (French accent), doing what he thinks great artists do.
And he's right, btw. That is partly what some great art does - it disturbs. However, the way Druckmann goes about it is very hamfisted for the most part, and the themes he tackles are trivial. He's not exactly the great arteest he imagines himself to be.
And he's right, btw. That is partly what some great art does - it disturbs. However, the way Druckmann goes about it is very hamfisted for the most part, and the themes he tackles are trivial. He's not exactly the great arteest he imagines himself to be.
Loxus
Member
So the issue here is because Jardon doesn't look like a sex doll?
This tweet is accurate as hell.
Mister Wolf
Member
diffusionx
Gold Member
bro you're literally posting a tweet from a furry to try to prove your point on what looks normal. Re-evaluate things.
Crystal Winters
Member
I understand that people can take things too far, but at the same time I wonder why it is such an issue for others that men and also other women, do not find bald headed women attractive? for as many people hung up on the fact that she is bald, I have seen equal number of people trying to play the incel card.
Fake
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Not sure why you keep pushing this white man thing. It's not a color thing people just like the hero to look attractive. Most people would have loved it if this was the main character.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
It being a Naughty Dog game, the main character should of beenNot sure why you keep pushing this white man thing. It's not a color thing people just like the hero to look attractive. Most people would have loved it if this was the main character.
But that's not NG anymore, the people that made you love their games are gone.
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Loboxxx
Member
I’m not asking for realism, I’m not asking for anything. You’re the one who can’t accept what you see and want something else. That’s your problem, not the game’s.
Not everything can or should cater to everyone’s tastes. That wouldn’t be art; it would be generic commercialism. The same thing happened with TLOU2. People nowadays can’t handle frustration and won’t accept things not being the way they want them to be. Thankfully, ND still stands firm in preserving its identity, aiming to tell the story they want, not just what people want to see
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
Here’s the difference.
1. There was a time when “take a beautiful actress and put her in a role where she is stripped of femininity and becomes a badass action hero” was a really bold and striking creative decision. In 2024 it’s trite, tiresome, and played out.
2. Hollywood and game studios nowadays are echo chambers filled with activists who care more about intersectionality and subverting gender/sex roles and filling their stories with overt, artless messaging than they do about telling a good story and writing compelling characters. We’ve seen this shit over and over and over again. “Uglied up Strong Female Protagonist” is a pretty strong indicator that it falls in this category.
It’s pretty disingenuous to make it sound like it’s just some CHUDs who are irrationally upset at seeing a bald woman. This shit didn’t happen in a vacuum.