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[FalconPunch]

Ask yourself, did she do anything Joel wouldn't have done for her in TLOU1?

What she "accomplished" was absolution. Its not perfect, but nothing is in that world.

I don't recall Joel killing pregnant women in TLOU1 but maybe my memory is off. I don't recall Joel dragging his friends to get killed because he was selfish. If there's one thing Joel was good at, it was trying to limit the potential damage to those he cared about. He failed with Tess despite the fact that he tried to talk her out of Ellie.

Ellie got several from her community killed. Almost got Dina killed. Then went back with Dina only to betray her because she got the revenge itch. After all of this, you think she achieved absolution? You think she's free of the guilt of Jesse? free of the guilt of murdering hundreds? Free of the guilt of betraying Dina? Free of punishment and retribution that will be sought out by the friends and family of the dead? Must be a joke post.

 

[Saturn Dragon]

That is why the writing in TLOU2 sucks ass. It’s all a deliberate attempt to make you empathise with Abby. A roller coaster ride of evoking emotions that result in you detesting every action you end up taking immersed in Ellie’s pursuit for revenge. Ultimately to grieve for man who was a terrible person. All the while treading the same path as he did. So you find solace in sparing Abby. Fooooooook off!!

The whole Abby and her father thing felt like those stupid retconning done by writers on the seventh season of some tiring tv show that jumped the shark several years ago and shouldn't have lasted more than a couple seasons.

"Remember that scene from the ending of Season 1 where there was a lot of extras doing this or that, turns out main character's dad was there! He wasn't dead!"

We know that scene had the focus on other characters or situations. This is just a stupid attempt to create new characters from thin air with a redundantly thin and almost non existant connection to the original story.

Tv shows do it all the time.

 

[Painskiller]

People, don't look at dislikes. Look at view-like ratio instead. Interesting, huh.

Seems biggots and xbox fanboys joined forces for review bombing. They bombed Uncharted 4 and TLOU 2 once, so nothing weird here. Butthurt from Astro winning AWG and Helldivers 2 beating COD is HUGE, LOL.

 

[powder]

Abby deserved to be killed by Ellie and Abby's dad deserved to be killed by Joel.

I always thought it was weird that Joel chose to kill the doctor and nurses. I’m pretty sure he could’ve just taken Ellie off the table and fended them all off without shooting them.

 

[EviLore]

I always thought it was weird that Joel chose to kill the doctor and nurses. I’m pretty sure he could’ve just taken Ellie off the table and fended them all off without shooting them.

They were all Fireflies and their mission was to kill and dissect his adoptive daughter. They believed their cause to be righteous and would not have stopped. It’s the post-apocalypse, not the local ER. Wearing scrubs doesn’t absolve them of personal responsibility.

 

[Toons]

I don't recall Joel killing pregnant women in TLOU1 but maybe my memory is off. I don't recall Joel dragging his friends to get killed because he was selfish. If there's one thing Joel was good at, it was trying to limit the potential damage to those he cared about. He failed with Tess despite the fact that he tried to talk her out of Ellie.

Ellie got several from her community killed. Almost got Dina killed. Then went back with Dina only to betray her because she got the revenge itch. After all of this, you think she achieved absolution? You think she's free of the guilt of Jesse? free of the guilt of murdering hundreds? Free of the guilt of betraying Dina? Free of punishment and retribution that will be sought out by the friends and family of the dead? Must be a joke post.

I asked you "do you think Joel WOULD do those things for ellie"

You sidestepped that question. I think he would. He clearly displayed he was willing to do terrible things for ellies sake.

No, I never claimed that all of ellies problems are resolved in the game, and I dont think the game tries to tell you that either. I think the game is giving you a narrative of a character who loses everything in pursuit of something she thought she needed, but ends with her preserving her soul when thats all she has left. She absolutely doesn't "win" but killing Abby wouldn't have satisfied that anyway and that's the point.

 

[Black_Stride]

People, don't look at dislikes. Look at view-like ratio instead. Interesting, huh.

Seems biggots and xbox fanboys joined forces for review bombing. They bombed Uncharted 4 and TLOU 2 once, so nothing weird here. Butthurt from Astro winning AWG and Helldivers 2 beating COD is HUGE, LOL.

 

[Toons]

But she is already just like him. This is where the cognitive dissonance kicks in. She’s murdered so many people by this point. There’s no real catharsis in that moment - unless you view the lives of all those other people as somehow less than Abby’s.

Well her sparing Abby is what keeps her from beign entirely like him.

I think she spends the game playing by his rules, but she finds out herself what doing that costs, and decides she doesn't want that in the end. Its an inconvenient time to do so for those NPCs sure, but... since when do we care about the NPCs? They were largely a rival faction anyway

Which of course Druckmann wants you to do. But that’s a failing on his part, because he sees the gameplay deaths as less important or relevant than the deaths of the main characters.

How is that changed by her killing Abby? Thatd just be another in a long line of corposes from that logic, but I think what they were going for is that walking down that path she was losing herself trying to become Joel again, and those who loved ellie end up away from her because of it.

To me, I played that bit thinking ‘this is not the same character I’ve been controlling all this time’.

But do you think it feels more like ellie? That would be a strong point to me if so.

 

[FalconPunch]

I asked you "do you think Joel WOULD do those things for ellie"

You sidestepped that question. I think he would. He clearly displayed he was willing to do terrible things for ellies sake.

No, I never claimed that all of ellies problems are resolved in the game, and I dont think the game tries to tell you that either. I think the game is giving you a narrative of a character who loses everything in pursuit of something she thought she needed, but ends with her preserving her soul when thats all she has left. She absolutely doesn't "win" but killing Abby wouldn't have satisfied that anyway and that's the point.

A normal person would figure that out 1/10th of the way through the journey. When you go as far as Ellie has gone, it's no longer about satisfaction. It's about sending a message.

As to whether Joel would do that, I can't say. Joel is older and wiser. This is shown in the second game in his interactions with Ellie, the community and even Abby prior to knowing who she was. Furthermore, no one would be coming to seek revenge from Ellie for sending their family to the shadow realm. Her main encounter in the first game is with David and he's a certified bad guy that even his community knows it. Now of Ellie gets murdered by some randoms, then imaybe he'd seek retribution but i'd argue that he'd be far too broken to do much of anything. We already saw in the first game how dude needed 20 years to cope with Sarah's death.

 

[EviLore]

"An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind"

Yeah, if you're stupid enough to get into a knife fight with a roided out psycho, Neil. May I introduce the Arctic Warfare Magnum:

 

[Toons]

A normal person would figure that out 1/10th of the way through the journey. When you go as far as Ellie has gone, it's no longer about satisfaction. It's about sending a message.

This is gonna sound cliche but ellies not a normal person. She's quite literally the only person like her on the known planet, who happened to run into the exact guy who was looking to fill the void of his dead daughter. You can say that's stupid, but thats a narrative from the first game.

As to whether Joel would do that, I can't say. Joel is older and wiser. This is shown in the second game in his interactions with Ellie, the community and even Abby prior to knowing who she was. Furthermore, no one would be coming to seek revenge from Ellie for sending their family to the shadow realm. Her main encounter in the first game is with David and he's a certified bad guy that even his community knows it. Now of Ellie gets murdered by some randoms, then imaybe he'd seek retribution but i'd argue that he'd be far too broken to do much of anything.

I mean Joel literally picked her over saving potential billions in the end, and he didn't regret that decision either. I dont think she has to be necessarily in a deathly thread for him to act with extreme prejudice.

 

[EviLore]

I mean Joel literally picked her over saving potential billions in the end, and he didn't regret that decision either. I dont think she has to be necessarily in a deathly thread for him to act with extreme prejudice.

The claim that the ends justify the means, so we can kill for the greater good to bring about utopia, is the exact rationalization used by the most evil genocidal monsters in the history of human civilization.

 

[duck_sauce]

People, don't look at dislikes. Look at view-like ratio instead. Interesting, huh.

Seems biggots and xbox fanboys joined forces for review bombing. They bombed Uncharted 4 and TLOU 2 once, so nothing weird here. Butthurt from Astro winning AWG and Helldivers 2 beating COD is HUGE, LOL.

I would argue that individuals without a specific agenda simply consume media passively, without leaving likes or dislikes behind. As a result, these analyses often lack real substance and hold little meaningful value

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I think some of you guys are over analyzing plot lines…. From a video game.

Just enjoy the game and don’t worry too much about the script.

At the end of the day, it’s a teenage girl ramboing bandits and zombies that would give Arnold Schwarzenegger a run for his money in whichever movie of his had the most kills in a two hour film.

 

[Toons]

The claim that the ends justify the means, so we can kill for the greater good to bring about utopia, is the exact rationalization used by the most evil genocidal monsters in the history of human civilization.

My point was more that to Joel, ellie was the greater good, and he had no qualms killing a whole lot of people to protect her. Even before that point in the game he's willing to kill to protect her

 

[EviLore]

My point was more that to Joel, ellie was the greater good, and he had no qualms killing a whole lot of people to protect her. Even before that point in the game he's willing to kill to protect her

As he should.

 

[saintjules]

Exactly what my girl said too the moment she saw it. Clearly Brahmi script inspired, which makes sense as an ancient language

So what does it say?

 

[FalconPunch]

This is gonna sound cliche but ellies not a normal person. She's quite literally the only person like her on the known planet, who happened to run into the exact guy who was looking to fill the void of his dead daughter. You can say that's stupid, but thats a narrative from the first game.

In a world where people die all the time, you think Joel semi adopting Ellie is unique? If you believe Joel is the only one in that universe who was screwed up and ended up semi adopting a kid, I don't know what to tell you lol.

I mean Joel literally picked her over saving potential billions in the end, and he didn't regret that decision either. I dont think she has to be necessarily in a deathly thread for him to act with extreme prprejudice.

As would 99+% of parents who have kids they love. Joel is neither unique nor is his situation unique in that world barring Ellie having a potential cure.

 

[rofif]

I don't recall Joel killing pregnant women in TLOU1 but maybe my memory is off. I don't recall Joel dragging his friends to get killed because he was selfish. If there's one thing Joel was good at, it was trying to limit the potential damage to those he cared about. He failed with Tess despite the fact that he tried to talk her out of Ellie.

Ellie got several from her community killed. Almost got Dina killed. Then went back with Dina only to betray her because she got the revenge itch. After all of this, you think she achieved absolution? You think she's free of the guilt of Jesse? free of the guilt of murdering hundreds? Free of the guilt of betraying Dina? Free of punishment and retribution that will be sought out by the friends and family of the dead? Must be a joke post.

She didn’t know she kills pregnant women.
Ellie looses everything because of her revenge. Same as Abby.

 

[Three]

Why'd you conveniently remove Ellie? Who is more well liked than any character on both sides.

Not to mention Tess too. Joel's possible love interest.

 

[FunkMiller]

My point was more that to Joel, ellie was the greater good, and he had no qualms killing a whole lot of people to protect her. Even before that point in the game he's willing to kill to protect her

I think where TLOU succeeds and TLOU 2 fails at its denouement, is that Joel's disregard for the future of humanity in the face of losing a person he loves feels earned in a way that Ellie's turn away from killing Abby does not. At least not for me, anyway. The first game takes its entire run time to show us why he'd make such a decision. I don't see that same attention to story and character with Ellie's face turn. She is constantly driven by revenge the entire game. It's her single motivation.

TLOU ends by saying 'here you go, this is exactly what you'd expect him to do in this situation, given the character and the circumstances we've presented you with'. I don't feel the same thing was accomplished with Ellie in the second game.

His character arc feels utterly believable to that point - which is why the game is rightly considered a masterpiece. Hers takes a left field turn that doesn't make much sense in the context of what's gone before.

However, one salient point here - and to bring it back around to Intergalactic - is that Naughty Dog are extremely good at creating thought provoking stories and characters, even if they sometimes don't get it fully right. I hope the same is true of the new game, and this controversy around Jordan's looks and character don't derail it.

 

[bighugeguns]

It's probably easier to forget, if you quit posting in a thread about the game how much you hate that it exists........js




But you keep coming back to the thread. Make it make sense.

It's a morbid attraction, I'm not proud of it.

I guess it's a spectacle, someone's about to publicly destroy like $100m, that's always a show.

Even yourself, the staunch little defenders of this rancid shit is part of the AAA experience.

 

[kikii]

almost there 95 pages keep going

 

[bighugeguns]

Yep, that's a real criticism. Unfortunately a lot of the others aren't.

Lets be real, how many of those downvotes are for reasons that are far less rationally supportable?

It has to be recognized that Druckmann is basically the anti-wokists equivalent of JK Rowling!
That there's a whole lot of platform warriors who enjoy dunking on Sony.

Above all else, there isn't objectively that much to be angry about in that trailer. Personally I didn't think it was very good, but the way people are acting like its the second coming of Sarkesian/Mercante are overreacting in the most embarrassing way imaginable.

Its not race/gender swapping a pre-existing franchise. There is nothing overtly political or attempting social commentary in there. Conventionally good looking women with shaved heads are not an unknown concept; Persis Khambatta in ST:TNG in 1979, obvious figures like 80's Sinead O'Connor. all the way through to Charlize Theron as Furiosa recently.

What exactly is there to get upset about? And you all should know full-well that even if they had Troy Baker or Chris Pratt in the role, a good segment of the same nay-sayers would be equally down on the game warning that ND will probably do another bait-and-switch like they did in TLOU2, because they are just as fucking vengefully unhinged as the lefties they oppose.

Having a weird little face scanned heavily modified asian chick as your AAA action game protagonist is fucking lame and Sony is going to pay dearly for it, that's not even up for debate, this will fail financially.

You can't slut shame me (on the basis of racism lmao?) into liking stupid lame shit, much less hand over money.

Actually, get this entire idea of "shaming as marketing" out of your head immediately, this entire approach is an express ticket to studio closure.

 

[Kar]

The claim that the ends justify the means, so we can kill for the greater good to bring about utopia, is the exact rationalization used by the most evil genocidal monsters in the history of human civilization.

My memory might be failing me, but wasn't it about "giving humanity a chance" with Ellie? I wasn't a sure thing.. it was a bet.
People just talk as if it was 100% guaranteed.

Or am I misremembering? It's been more than 10 years

 

[EviLore]

My memory might be failing me, but wasn't it about "giving humanity a chance" with Ellie? I wasn't a sure thing.. it was a bet.
People just talk as if it was 100% guaranteed.

Or am I misremembering? It's been more than 10 years

It might be hard to remember because TLOU2 retconned what happened to try to make Joel less sympathetic and the Fireflies more virtuous. Other people can probably explain the details.

 

[Kotaro]

almost there 95 pages keep going

Sony/ND shills joining force with infiltrating purple ERA members are defending this game to the death

It’s a sight to see

 

[CityHunter1981]

There are barely any new games with a male protagonist. I don’t care if he is black, Asian, Arabic, Latino, but how about a male protagonist again. Lesbian tough woman as a protagonist is just boring. I wouldn’t even mind if they give the player a choice like Cyberpunk…

Aren’t Naughty Dog games supposed to be immersive? I don’t know about other people, but if it’s a immersive game, I want to play as a Man because I don’t have secret fantasies to dress like a woman…

 

[PeteBull]

Going by that ND pic above, maybe only 10-15% of the 200-ish people in that pic are minorities.

Lets replace Druckmann, straight(? ) white male dev, by bald female blasian dev, representation is important after all, it cant get worse DEI wise than him so any1 else at power will definitely be improevement and woke clowns wont have a say coz u replacing that awful straight white male after all and giving chance to female person of colour ;P

 

[PeteBull]

People, don't look at dislikes. Look at view-like ratio instead. Interesting, huh.

Seems biggots and xbox fanboys joined forces for review bombing. They bombed Uncharted 4 and TLOU 2 once, so nothing weird here. Butthurt from Astro winning AWG and Helldivers 2 beating COD is HUGE, LOL.

There are no xbox fans anymore, even satya and phil arent ones.
And like mentioned in that very thread by some1 else- nowadays only rainbow forum members use word bigot, so u basically told on urelf
I bought masterpiece games ND made starting from mid 90s, og crash trilogy and CTR, and im sony fanatic, yet i disliked the trailer coz fk woke agenda, definitely wont buy/play it same way i didnt with TLOU2 which was basically huge betrayal to loyal fans

 

[Cakeboxer]

There are no xbox fans anymore, even satya and phil arent ones.
And like mentioned in that very thread by some1 else- nowadays only rainbow forum members use word bigot, so u basically told on urelf
I bought masterpiece games ND made starting from mid 90s, og crash trilogy and CTR, and im sony fanatic, yet i disliked the trailer coz fk woke agenda, definitely wont buy/play it same way i didnt with TLOU2 which was basically huge betrayal to loyal fans

That PlayStation warrior clown already got banned, don't waste your time.

 

[kikii]

Sony/ND shills joining force with infiltrating purple ERA members are defending this game to the death

It’s a sight to see

im not sony/nd shill but almost 100 pages of this is kinda impressive

 

[Clear]

Having a weird little face scanned heavily modified asian chick as your AAA action game protagonist is fucking lame and Sony is going to pay dearly for it, that's not even up for debate, this will fail financially.

You can't slut shame me (on the basis of racism lmao?) into liking stupid lame shit, much less hand over money.

Actually, get this entire idea of "shaming as marketing" out of your head immediately, this entire approach is an express ticket to studio closure.

I was just pointing out that if you're the sort of person who rejects a game out-of-hand purely because you don't like the race/sex/orientation of a game protagonist you are cut from the exact same cloth as the blue-haired freaks who demanded the end of the "gruff white male archetype".

I don't respect that.

 

[DForce]

I would argue that individuals without a specific agenda simply consume media passively, without leaving likes or dislikes behind. As a result, these analyses often lack real substance and hold little meaningful value

It's like how people use The Last of Us Part II user Metascore to prove this is how gamers truly feel about the game.

This is very different from people who actually played the game.

We can also see how gamers felt about Abby' when she was first revealed.

The Last of Us: Part II - PGW17 Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzdNECcio54

www.neogaf.com

It's hard to find anyone complaining about her appearance before Joel's death was leaked online.

Tyrone Magnus is a known YouTuber who refused to buy The Last of Us Part II because the game was too woke..

And because Joel was killed.

His reaction to the 2017 trailer is interesting because he makes no complaints about Abby's appearance and he even called her a badass. He even speculates that other characters in the game might be lesbians.



This is why it's hard for me to believe that most people were truly upset about her design and not looking like a woman.

 

[EN250]

And you have movies with beautiful actresses that completely bomb.

Yeah, cause they have their niche covered which is always romcoms, horror, drama, suspence and the male audience don't buy the beauty that can somehow beat up many bad guys twice her size in action movies like she's female Jakie Chan

Games typically care more about "appealing gameplay" than "attractive" characters. The game does for movies.

Presentation and appealing characters is important, part of being appealing is good looks, that's why Nathan Drake + Helena Fisher, Shepard + Ashley + and the whole Asari race, Geralt + Triss and Yennefer, Leon S Kennedy + Ada Wong and Claire Redfield, Peter Parker + Mary Jane (in Spider-Man 2018 at least) to name just a few, all look like top tier models

There's always someone posting a picture of Eve whenever people are talking about ugly female characters in video games. What's funny about this is that I think most of them didn't even play Steller Blade and I would bet it's because the gameplay didn't appeal to them.

Stellar Blade was niche from the start and then after blowing up it got caught in the bs political crossfire, first it was this counterculture push againt the west and their ugly charactares promoted by internet grifters vs the video-games media and their clowns claiming a good looking character would lead to women being murdered and then when the "censorship" topic came out, it was hated for "muh freedom" by the same grifters who were promoting it at first and the games media as usual, didn't do their job to try clarify if said accusations were true or not, since they were against the game from the start, why defend something they despised it

 

[kikii]

 

[cebri.one]

People still butt hurt from a 3 minute trailer?

 

[GymWolf]

I remember there being a LOT of critique for Selene’s appearance as well but it quieted down greatly once the game released & the word of mouth about the gameplay spread

Also, she had a thicker ass than expected

 

[GymWolf]

This game is going to be for GAF what Hogwarts Legacy was for the Purple Era.

Except we are gonna be able to talk about it and open an OT and call it with it's name instead of a generic space bald goblin game etc, but yeah, it's gonna be the same as reeee

 

[DForce]

Yeah, cause they have their niche covered which is always romcoms, horror, drama, suspence and the male audience don't buy the beauty that can somehow beat up many bad guys twice her size in action movies like she's female Jakie Chan

The first Wonder Woman movie was a hit, and the second one bombed. Atomic Blonde was also a smash hit, and Charlize Theron beat up men more than half her size.

What makes a successful move is the actual plot, not the character's physical appearance.

Presentation and appealing characters is important, part of being appealing is good looks, that's why Nathan Drake + Helena Fisher, Shepard + Ashley + and the whole Asari race, Geralt + Triss and Yennefer, Leon S Kennedy + Ada Wong and Claire Redfield, Peter Parker + Mary Jane (in Spider-Man 2018 at least) to name just a few, all look like top tier models

Presentation and appealing characters do matter, but it's not everything.

Dead or Alive featured characters in sexy clothing, yet it wasn't nearly as successful as Street Fighter, Tekken, and Soul Calibur.

Jill starred in Resident Evil 3: Remake, but it wasn't as successful as Resident Evil 2: Remake, Resident Evil 4: Remake, Resident Evil, 7 and 8.

Let's not forget that Ada's appearance was in fact criticized in Resident Evil 2.

‘Resident Evil 4 Remake’ Ada Wong Actress Lily Gao Harassed Off The Internet By ‘Fans’

This time, it’s Resident Evil 4 Remake actress Lily Gao, who played Ada Wong in the new, highly rated remake. While her performance was criticized by some, that devolved into people heading to her Instagram to personally harass her, and as such, she deleted/hid all of her posts on the platform

www.forbes.com

Voice actor who played Ada Wong in the Resident Evil 4 remake wipes her Instagram after harassment

Fandom was a mistake.

www.pcgamer.com

Stellar Blade was niche from the start and then after blowing up it got caught in the bs political crossfire, first it was this counterculture push againt the west and their ugly charactares promoted by internet grifters vs the video-games media and their clowns claiming a good looking character would lead to women being murdered and then when the "censorship" topic came out, it was hated for "muh freedom" by the same grifters who were promoting it at first and the games media as usual, didn't do their job to try clarify if said accusations were true or not, since they were against the game from the start, why defend something they despised it

This just proves the online crowd is different than your average gamer.

If hot/attractive characters are what people say "gamers want" then it should be doing bigger numbers, but it's not. Yes, people do prefer attractive characters, but it's not a major selling point to most gamers.

The gameplay is going to attract gamers more than a "hot" character.

 

[Pedro Motta]

Except we are gonna be able to talk about it and open an OT and call it with it's name instead of a generic space bald goblin game etc, but yeah, it's gonna be the same as reeee

You know what I meant

 

[GymWolf]

Apparently Intergalactic has ND’s deepest combat yet, so that sounds pretty promising considering TLOU2 combat is fucking god tier.

The combat has an incredible meaty feeling and it just feels good, but it's not deep at all when you actually fight with melee weapons, a one button attack and an evade move, you literally add a strong attack button and it would be already the deepest combat nd ever made, not even joking.

I don't consider the stealth part as pure combat (dah).

(I have 3 runs on tlou2 mostly for the combat feeling\visuals\animations so i'm hardly an hater but deep is not the term i would use).

 

[GymWolf]

You know what I meant

Do i? Because except for trolling the protagonist, nobody is doing what reeee did with hogwarts and nothing is gonna change when the game finally release.

If trolling a game is the same as hogwarts treatment on reee then yes, you are correct.

 

[Markio128]

The combat is great but it's not deep at all when you actually fight with melee weapons, a one button attack and an evade move, you literally add a strong attack button and it would be already the deepest combat nd ever made, not even joking.

I don't consider the stealth part as pure combat (dah).

Melee itself isn’t deep from a control perspective (for the best imho), but the visceral nature of it, and the animations behind it, make it stand out. However, when you add gunplay and stealth (which should be considered when it includes quite a few options) to the mix, combat is pretty deep overall. If Intergalactic adds to this, then it can only be a good thing.

I suspect that we’ll see a more bombastic melee and gunplay in the new game, rather than the considered approach of TLOU2.

 

[SoraNoKuni]

People defending this saying it's just "Jumping into conclusions", nuh man, druckmann has said he supports Sarkeesian(IMO no sane progressive person should support radical hate centric "activists"), his TLOUS DLC and TLOUS2 were partly a woke manifesto, meanwhile I am all in for inclusivity but I hate my games having such a big portion of them being about LGBTQ or Racial themes us, thinking this will have at least a big portion of the story being about LGBTQ rights or anti-western male agenda while there are a billion more interesting things to communicate(Nier Automata comes in mind) especially using such a huge budget and studio talent is depressing, people understanding this and reacting negatively is more of a pattern recognision than a Jumping into conclusions scenario.
Such a huge waste of potential, especially when a state of the art studio in technical resources and general work ethics is wasting their talent for non crucial thematics, the world has changed, people will accept anyone as long as they are not violating their rights of thinking the opposite, this forceful political agendas only contribute to hate nowadays.

 

[Markio128]

People defending this saying it's just "Jumping into conclusions", nuh man, druckmann has said he supports Sarkeesian(IMO no sane progressive person should support radical hate centric "activists"), his TLOUS DLC and TLOUS2 were partly a woke manifesto, meanwhile I am all in for inclusivity but I hate my games having such a big portion of them being about LGBTQ or Racial themes us, thinking this will have at least a big portion of the story being about LGBTQ rights or anti-western male agenda while there are a billion more interesting things to communicate(Nier Automata comes in mind) especially using such a huge budget and studio talent is depressing, people understanding this and reacting negatively is more of a pattern recognision than a Jumping into conclusions scenario.
Such a huge waste of potential, especially when a state of the art studio in technical resources and general work ethics is wasting their talent for non crucial thematics, the world has changed, people will accept anyone as long as they are not violating their rights of thinking the opposite, this forceful political agendas only contribute to hate nowadays.

 

[SoraNoKuni]

Not really, I'll probably skip it as I did with TLOUS2.
Nothing of value will be lost for me, it's just a shame that people accept anything when it has their favorite logo on the box.

 

[Bernardougf]

They were all Fireflies and their mission was to kill and dissect his adoptive daughter. They believed their cause to be righteous and would not have stopped. It’s the post-apocalypse, not the local ER. Wearing scrubs doesn’t absolve them of personal responsibility.

Yeah one of the worst things about the sequel is the retcon (trying to) of this event into a objective bad thing ... while I never understood the so called "duality" of it, since for me it was the obvious choice to not let her die for nothing, the duality was there at some level for many people... but this has been discussed to death already.. so it is what it is .. dogshit story inho

 

[Woggleman]

The thing I want to know is that if it looks so bad to you then why not just move on to something that does interest you?

Why put so much outrage towards towards something you don't want as if it's very existence is a crime against humanity?

People act as if Neil Druckman actually killed a real person they were close to.

 

[ValiantInstance]

He's right though. Druckmann admires Sarkeesian, and she wants female protagonists who are specifically designed to avoid 'the male gaze' i.e. ugly. Anyone arguing otherwise is being deliberately obtuse.

Last of Us 2 was the first time I noticed such a huge game being a lecture on progressive politics. That was 5 years after gamergate. Since then it's been endless. If publishers are dialing back on this stuff now then we still have 3-4 years of woke game announcements.