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[Fake]

Abby deserved to be killed by Ellie and Abby's dad deserved to be killed by Joel.

I still laught my ass every time some stupid fanboy defend this.

After all the shit Ellie come and Cuckman say 'nah, she will not kill Abby in the end'.

Not even giving an option to either kill Abby or not. The guy smell his own fart.

 

[Markio128]

I still laught my ass every time some stupid fanboy defend this.

After all the shit Ellie come and Cuckman say 'nah, she will not kill Abby in the end'.

Not even giving an option to either kill Abby or not. The guy smell his own fart.

I simply see it as the Fireflies were thinking of the greater good, and Joel was thinking of the personal good. There’s no right or wrong. The fact that people still talk about it today speaks volumes tbh, and gives credence to how strong the characters were/are.

And who doesn’t take a whiff of their own farts?

 

[Dirk Benedict]

Abby deserved to be killed by Ellie and Abby's dad deserved to be killed by Joel.

Yes. That's what many of us think should have happened.
Especially when we trained them into complete murder factories. Seeing them humbled into crying, bloodied messes, with one being subject of the PGA?
It was kind of infuriating and sad, at the same time. I really did become a fan of the fiction, from the first game.

 

[user friendly]

Not really, I'll probably skip it as I did with TLOUS2.
Nothing of value will be lost for me, it's just a shame that people accept anything when it has their favorite logo on the box.

I hope you get around to playing it. It's an amazing game, gameplay wise.

 

[rofif]

I still laught my ass every time some stupid fanboy defend this.

After all the shit Ellie come and Cuckman say 'nah, she will not kill Abby in the end'.

Not even giving an option to either kill Abby or not. The guy smell his own fart.

If you still think Ellie should’ve killed Abby there at the end… the story went so far above your head, you might’ve actually not played the game.
Seriously. If you think he should still kill her after all that happened and after all the emotions… it is shown clearly she remembers the good Joel and let’s go. By that time it’s too late and she lost everything.

If you still want her dead you are either an empathy less monster or have not played the game. I cannot fathom YouTubers who were angry at the end of the game.
I a many other people were mad she even went there and then cried at the end.
This game story and narrative is one of best ever in any media and you wishing for stupid multiple endings would have destroyed it.

I don’t think multiple endings make any sense in most narrative game unless it’s very choice heavy game like Detroit but then it also sucks because what’s the real story? Most of bad choices suck.

 

[rofif]

People defending this saying it's just "Jumping into conclusions", nuh man, druckmann has said he supports Sarkeesian(IMO no sane progressive person should support radical hate centric "activists"), his TLOUS DLC and TLOUS2 were partly a woke manifesto, meanwhile I am all in for inclusivity but I hate my games having such a big portion of them being about LGBTQ or Racial themes us, thinking this will have at least a big portion of the story being about LGBTQ rights or anti-western male agenda while there are a billion more interesting things to communicate(Nier Automata comes in mind) especially using such a huge budget and studio talent is depressing, people understanding this and reacting negatively is more of a pattern recognision than a Jumping into conclusions scenario.
Such a huge waste of potential, especially when a state of the art studio in technical resources and general work ethics is wasting their talent for non crucial thematics, the world has changed, people will accept anyone as long as they are not violating their rights of thinking the opposite, this forceful political agendas only contribute to hate nowadays.

You said you’ve not played these games so shut up.
Tlou2 is way more than woke manifesto. It’s not enough to watch an ending on YouTube.

You have to play the game yourself. I also hated it at first but it was such a roller coaster, I couldn’t believe the emotions it got out of me when it was just hate at first.
Don’t be stupid and play it. It’s best gameplay and narrative in years. Perfection of a game. The only issue is that it can be very depressing for some.

 

[powder]

They were all Fireflies and their mission was to kill and dissect his adoptive daughter. They believed their cause to be righteous and would not have stopped. It’s the post-apocalypse, not the local ER. Wearing scrubs doesn’t absolve them of personal responsibility.

Yeah I get the narrative, I just meant from a purely physical sense, the doctor didn’t really come off as that physically threatening. Joel had a gun, the doctor had a scalpel and a diaper full of shit in that moment.

 

[Physiognomonics]

This game is going to be for GAF what Hogwarts Legacy was for the Purple Era.

Difference is here everybody is free to share their opinion about that game without been banned for it.

 

[Fabieter]

If you still think Ellie should’ve killed Abby there at the end… the story went so far above your head, you might’ve actually not played the game.
Seriously. If you think he should still kill her after all that happened and after all the emotions… it is shown clearly she remembers the good Joel and let’s go. By that time it’s too late and she lost everything.

If you still want her dead you are either an empathy less monster or have not played the game. I cannot fathom YouTubers who were angry at the end of the game.
I a many other people were mad she even went there and then cried at the end.
This game story and narrative is one of best ever in any media and you wishing for stupid multiple endings would have destroyed it.

I don’t think multiple endings make any sense in most narrative game unless it’s very choice heavy game like Detroit but then it also sucks because what’s the real story? Most of bad choices suck.

After she lost dina with her last chance it wasn't believeable that she didn't do it. Dina begged her to stop and she didn't give a fuck and went there anyway. The only real choice would have been riding with dina in the sunset and say fuck it. I hated the ending tho.

 

[EN250]

The first Wonder Woman movie was a hit, and the second one bombed.

First WW was during peak capeshit consumption, also is Wonder Woman, the Barbie equivalent but for comic book nerds, she was designed to be Beautiful + a Goddess or some sort with super abilities

The plot in that movie is nothing great either, the ending wasn't that's for sure

Atomic Blonde was also a smash hit, and Charlize Theron beat up men more than half her size.

What makes a successful move is the actual plot, not the character's physical appearance.

Idk how reliable the wiki is but on a budget of 30m it did 100m which is great, but that's also Charlize Theron, not Melissa McCarthy

Presentation and appealing characters do matter, but it's not everything.

Dead or Alive featured characters in sexy clothing, yet it wasn't nearly as successful as Street Fighter, Tekken, and Soul Calibur.

Maybe DoA can't and will never be mainstream because it's borderline creepy, nerds might be coomers but also need to keep some sort of facade of not being complete degenerates

Street Fighter has top tier goddess Chun-li, Tekken has Kazumi I think and SOUL CALIBUR? May I remind you IVY? Here if you can't remember her looks:

Jill starred in Resident Evil 3: Remake, but it wasn't as successful as Resident Evil 2: Remake, Resident Evil 4: Remake, Resident Evil, 7 and 8.

REmake 3 was a cashgrab with no much effort put in it, lady who did the mocap for Jill is real life model, but that doesn't add much when Capcom ruins a classic like they did with 3

Let's not forget that Ada's appearance was in fact criticized in Resident Evil 2.

‘Resident Evil 4 Remake’ Ada Wong Actress Lily Gao Harassed Off The Internet By ‘Fans’

This time, it’s Resident Evil 4 Remake actress Lily Gao, who played Ada Wong in the new, highly rated remake. While her performance was criticized by some, that devolved into people heading to her Instagram to personally harass her, and as such, she deleted/hid all of her posts on the platform

www.forbes.com

Voice actor who played Ada Wong in the Resident Evil 4 remake wipes her Instagram after harassment

Fandom was a mistake.

www.pcgamer.com

Internet it full of douches, I do remember complaints about her phoning in with her voice acting, not with how the the game model looks, but at the same time I read Claire looked "bad", even though it's a complete lie, so RE fanboys are weird

This just proves the online crowd is different than your average gamer.

If hot/attractive characters are what people say "gamers want" then it should be doing bigger numbers, but it's not. Yes, people do prefer attractive characters, but it's not a major selling point to most gamers.

The gameplay is going to attract gamers more than a "hot" character.

It was never going to do amazing numbers because it's was coming from an unproven dev no one knew about other than mobile games, the over the top sexy character made people think it was the only thing it had going for it, like the game was bad or average and devs made the character like that to hook coomers, then when the demo was out, the "censorship" started to float and the grifters did a 180 to bitch about the game and saying it was bad yada yada

 

[DForce]

First WW was during peak capeshit consumption, also is Wonder Woman, the Barbie equivalent but for comic book nerds, she was designed to be Beautiful + a Goddess or some sort with super abilities

And still, the second movie bombed. That is the entire point. Gal Gadot is an attractive actress, but people care more about the story.

dk how reliable the wiki is but on a budget of 30m it did 100m which is great, but that's also Charlize Theron, not Melissa McCarthy

But you said men don't want to see women beating up men twice their size. This isn't even an issue with people who watch action movies.

Maybe DoA can't and will never be mainstream because it's borderline creepy, nerds might be coomers but also need to keep some sort of facade of not being complete degenerates

Street Fighter has top tier goddess Chun-li, Tekken has Kazumi I think and SOUL CALIBUR? May I remind you IVY? Here if you can't remember her looks:

And guess what happened to the last Soul Calibur? It didn't perform well. Street Fighter 5 didn't pull good numbers at launch even though it had more fan service characters. Offline modes were more important than the sexy characters.

REmake 3 was a cashgrab with no much effort put in it, lady who did the mocap for Jill is real life model, but that doesn't add much when Capcom ruins a classic like they did with 3

It was never going to do amazing numbers because it's was coming from an unproven dev no one knew about other than mobile games, the over the top sexy character made people think it was the only thing it had going for it, like the game was bad or average and devs made the character like that to hook coomers, then when the demo was out, the "censorship" started to float and the grifters did a 180 to bitch about the game and saying it was bad yada yada

And you're proving my point.

A hot female character isn't a major selling point. In games, people care more about fun gameplay, and in movies, people care more about the story.

 

[jason10mm]

But you said men don't want to see women beating up men twice their size. This isn't even an issue with people who watch action movies.

Oh, it VERY MUCH is an issue. Tons and tons of female led action films bomb. Of course lots of action films bomb, with a variety of stars, but the female fronted ones seem to struggle the most.

The only actresses that successfully do it are ones with a track record of playing tough, physically capable characters they can capitalize on for their action roles. You can't just grab JLo off the block and throw her into a John Wick type movie, you need her to do a series of action roles as a side piece first to build up. Charlize did this, Atomic Blonde was after her role in Fury Road, Hancock, and Aeon Flux (a bomb) which built her up first. Kate Beckensdale does stuff now banking on her Underworld fame.

Then the ladies have to put in the work to build up their bodies, work the fight choreography, and it helps when they are tall. It's really no different from the men, we just kinda assume every male action lead is rocking a six pack and pecs, hell, Keanu is probably the LEAST physically impressive action star at the moment even though he is fitter and thinner than probably 95% of other 60 year olds in the US

 

[viveks86]

I don't have a South Indian friend only me lol, but the language looks like Tamil.

Yeah. They've taken letters as-is or with slight modification from different related languages. Like Tamil, Malayalam, Kannada, Telugu, Sinhalese/Srilankan and Thai. Looks pretty cohesive as a whole

So what does it say?

Assuming you mean the text on the robot's shoulder, it is way too soon to decipher it. The other 2 times the text is shown (the opening text and "The Heretic Prophet", they translated it themselves). They've taken inspiration from the languages above for how it looks, but have developed their own language system like the Star Wars languages or Dothraki, assuming it's not all gobbledygook. Given that they show it thrice in the trailer, I'd assume they took it seriously. We will need a lot of text to decipher it. Hopefully they have letters and stuff in game that have Sempirian and English text so we can all nerd out on it.

 

[DForce]

Oh, it VERY MUCH is an issue. Tons and tons of female led action films bomb. Of course lots of action films bomb, with a variety of stars, but the female fronted ones seem to struggle the most.

The only actresses that successfully do it are ones with a track record of playing tough, physically capable characters they can capitalize on for their action roles. You can't just grab JLo off the block and throw her into a John Wick type movie, you need her to do a series of action roles as a side piece first to build up. Charlize did this, Atomic Blonde was after her role in Fury Road, Hancock, and Aeon Flux (a bomb) which built her up first. Kate Beckensdale does stuff now banking on her Underworld fame.

Then the ladies have to put in the work to build up their bodies, work the fight choreography, and it helps when they are tall. It's really no different from the men, we just kinda assume every male action lead is rocking a six pack and pecs, hell, Keanu is probably the LEAST physically impressive action star at the moment even though he is fitter and thinner than probably 95% of other 60 year olds in the US

If what you said were true then action films starring female leads would bomb, but that doesn't happen.

If a movie is considered bad then it would usually bomb.

Charlie's Angels is a highly successful movie.
Chloe Grace Moretz became people because of her role in Kick-Ass... A kid beating up grown men.
You have Kill Bill, Salt, and The Hunger Games.

If it was such a big issue, then Kill Bill wouldn't be considered one of the best action films of all time. Atomic Blonde is praised for its no-cut fight scene.

 

[EN250]

A hot female character isn't a major selling point.

But that wasn't my point:

"Presentation and appealing characters is important, part of being appealing is good looks"

Never said it has to be super exaggerated mega hot women or super Gigachad men, but for idealization purposes, they end up being like that. though, that's besides the point

In games, people care more about fun gameplay, and in movies, people care more about the story

Idk, many games faded away or straight up flopped because they didn't have "the hook" to look appealing or didn't capture the audience even though gameplay was great, hell, that trashcan of a game called Concord was said to have great gameplay (as its only good quality) and couldn't last two weeks

If gameplay was the sole absolute king of popularity in games, BF should have been the FPS king back when they tried and it never happened

At the same, while I did focus a lot on looks, I forgot the other important part of what make a character appealing: at least some sort of charismatic trait

Strong independent woman with "badass bitch" attitude, who's unbothered by anything happening near her, that does "witty" one-liners when not being super stoic to show how much of a strong woman she is and has this rudeness that is allowed by everyone because the script says so, it's no really that appealing to the general audience


We both have our differences and none of us will change our minds for the other, so I concede that and move on, hope the game has more going for it than the character being a total shallow characterization of the female empowerment stereotype made by Hollyweird and does more than that, for the well being of Studio, because trailer was bad, but production value was high so they're expending a pretty penny on this

 

[sono]

New Synthetic Man just dropped lmao

This is hilarious

 

[Woggleman]

To be fair The Marvel's. Madame Web and Furiosa both bombed we which means we are in the middle of a backlash period. The thing is that these periods don't last and there is enough time between this trailer and release for things to shift.

 

[GymWolf]

I still laught my ass every time some stupid fanboy defend this.

After all the shit Ellie come and Cuckman say 'nah, she will not kill Abby in the end'.

Not even giving an option to either kill Abby or not. The guy smell his own fart.

I think it's even dumber that abby doesn't kill ellie just because lev say so.

Ellie killed all of her friends that she knew for like a decade (so an even deeper relation than ellie with joel) and the love of her life, and she is an even more hardened warrior than ellie, her not killing her was absolute dogshit writing.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

People, don't look at dislikes. Look at view-like ratio instead. Interesting, huh.

Seems biggots and xbox fanboys joined forces for review bombing. They bombed Uncharted 4 and TLOU 2 once, so nothing weird here. Butthurt from Astro winning AWG and Helldivers 2 beating COD is HUGE, LOL.

Crazy console warrior going by his limited post history. But give him credit for being innovative.

First time in YT history I've ever seen someone cherry pick a few videos to push a Like/View ratio narrative.

 

[Ulysses 31]

I think it's even dumber that abby doesn't kill ellie just because lev say so.

Ellie killed all of her friends that she knew for like a decade (so an even deeper relation than ellie with joel) and the love of her life, and she is an even more hardened warrior than ellie, her not killing her was absolute dogshit writing.

Eh, I'd say it was dumb to leave Ellie alive after killing Joel, especially after she swears vengeance.

 

[rofif]

After she lost dina with her last chance it wasn't believeable that she didn't do it. Dina begged her to stop and she didn't give a fuck and went there anyway. The only real choice would have been riding with dina in the sunset and say fuck it. I hated the ending tho.

eh whatever. Good thing you didn't wrote the game then.

Abby let got faster because she lost all her friends faster.
Ellie needed more time because she was more traumatized. She finally got over it

 

[angrod14]

I still laught my ass every time some stupid fanboy defend this.

After all the shit Ellie come and Cuckman say 'nah, she will not kill Abby in the end'.

Not even giving an option to either kill Abby or not. The guy smell his own fart.

At that point, Ellie was emotionally in the same place Abby was when she murdered Joel. The difference is Ellie was able to acknowledge that killing her not only wouldn't bring him back, but also wouldn't provide any sort of consolation or satisfaction to her, only more misery, void and guilt, and she will most likely open herself to get tracked down by Lev eventually, further perpetuating the cycle of revenge. Ellie cut the chord.

I also think she realized that, deep down, Joel wouldn't want to see her doing all of those atrocities in his name, for nothing.

I love revenge stories, but I think it was also refreshing to see a different way to tackle the subject.

 

[GymWolf]

Eh, I'd say it was dumb to leave Ellie alive after killing Joel, especially after she swears vengeance.

Most of the game is fucking dumb so it's hard to chose a specific dumber moment

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Most of the game is fucking dumb so it's hard to chose a specific dumber moment

A teenage girl can endlessly kill hardened grown men who have been survivalists for a decade and zombies like it's no problem. Similar to that BF game where one act is a mother and daughter tag team killing Nazis like Rambo. Taking the story serious like it's Schindler's List doesn't even make sense in a game like this. It's a video game.

 

[Ulysses 31]

At that point, Ellie was emotionally in the same place Abby was when she murdered Joel. The difference is Ellie was able to acknowledge that killing her not only wouldn't bring him back, but also wouldn't provide any sort of consolation or satisfaction to her, only more misery, void and guilt, and she will most likely open herself to get tracked down by Lev eventually, further perpetuating the cycle of revenge. Ellie cut the chord.

I also think she realized that, deep down, Joel wouldn't want to see her doing all of those atrocities in his name, for nothing.

I love revenge stories, but I think it was also refreshing to see a different way to tackle the subject.

I think those story beats can work when the one has an unaware target in their sights that can be taken out without anyone else being none the wiser. In TLOU2 they get up close and personal and in those situations you might have to kill if want to make sure they don't come after you in the future for self preservation and that of loved ones.

 

[sainraja]

If there's one problem Naughty Dog have always had, it's cognitive dissonance on a frankly epic scale. Ellie murders dozens, if not hundreds of people. It is farcical that at the very last minute, this seasoned, experienced, cold blooded killer would get a case of the boo boo regrets when she has the chance to kill the one person she's been after this entire time.

The ending should have been her taking that dark path, and losing everything - not taking the 'high road' and STILL losing everything. Or have a happier ending with her allowing Abby to live, and therefore being rewarded by keeping her family.

As it stands, the ending of TLOU 2 feels like its written by a high schooler, who just wants to be super dark and edgy, even though it doesn't make for a satisfying narrative conclusion.

I don't think Ellie spared Abby. It was more that she spared herself. She was very close to getting her revenge, but seeing Abby take care of Lev and the situation she found Abby in... is when she came to realize how little that would achieve, she just got tired of it all, stopped caring since it was a looooong journey for her to even get to that point. Not saying they did a good job showing this or even a poor job, but if you look at it like that, then it's not really cognitive dissonance. She was consumed by rage and it withered away when she got to the actual "revenge" part.

And I know people keep bringing up this point on cognitive dissonance and it was repeated often for Uncharted but a lot of what Drake does in the game was circumstantial, it was due to the situation he put himself in. People were after him, not to STOP him, mind you, but to ultimately kill him. It was high stakes and we also have to remember it is a game. If people want it to be that grounded, then they should turn the game on, and let the people shooting Drake kill him off and then turn off the game lol. It would have been stupider to see him allow the people after him to simply just "kill" him. Anyway, I find this criticism to be very stupid so... we don't need to take the medium THAT seriously.

 

[GymWolf]

A teenage girl can endlessly kill hardened grown men who have been survivalists for a decade and zombies like it's no problem. Similar to that BF game where one act is a mother and daughter tag team killing Nazis like Rambo. Taking the story serious like it's Schindler's List doesn't even make sense in a game like this. It's a video game.

That's not a good excuse or we will not be able to criticize almost any plot in any form of media ever because some parts are too absurd.

I can suspend my disbilief because i control ellie, i sneak behind enemies, i pick them apart with my skills, it's enough to make her "believable" in my eyes and since videogame were a thing we know that you have to separate pure gameplay from cutscenes or nothing would make sense, but during a cutscene where it's all the director\writer work, you have to be convincing.


Not killing a stranger chick who killed LITERALLY every person you loved (and indirectly caused the death of your father) in the span of a couple of days is downright retarded, full stop, especially in the world of tlou that is supposed to be grime and dark.

 

[jason10mm]

Chloe Grace Moretz became people because of her role in Kick-Ass... A kid beating up grown men.

Uhhh, Hitgirl wasn't the lead in Kick-ass. But it fit the dark humor tone of the film.

You have Kill Bill, Salt, and The Hunger Games.

KB played off Uma Thurmans imposing physicality, plus her previous work with QT and she built up with The Avengers. Jolie did ok with Salt, that was built up over her run as Lara Croft, Mr and Mrs. Smith, Wanted, etc. I wouldn't consider Hunger Games to be an action flick, that's straight YA crap.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

That's not a good excuse or we will not be able to criticize almost any plot in any form of media ever because some parts are too absurd.

I can suspend my disbilief because i control ellie, i sneak behind enemies, i pick them apart with my skills, it's enough to make her "believable" in my eyes and since videogame were a thing we know that you have to separate pure gameplay from cutscenes or nothing would make sense, but during a cutscene where it's all the director\writer work, you have to be convincing.


Not killing a stranger chick who killed LITERALLY every person you loved (and indirectly caused the death of your father) in the span of a couple of days is downright retarded, full stop, especially in the world of tlou that is supposed to be grime and dark.

Ya I guess so.

For me, I typically skip much story and cutscenes in most games anyway unless it's unskippable (of course) which I have to sit there and watch it. I wouldnt even notice the nuances in plot in a game. I'd just know the overall theme of whats going on.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I think where TLOU succeeds and TLOU 2 fails at its denouement, is that Joel's disregard for the future of humanity in the face of losing a person he loves feels earned in a way that Ellie's turn away from killing Abby does not. At least not for me, anyway. The first game takes its entire run time to show us why he'd make such a decision. I don't see that same attention to story and character with Ellie's face turn. She is constantly driven by revenge the entire game. It's her single motivation.

TLOU ends by saying 'here you go, this is exactly what you'd expect him to do in this situation, given the character and the circumstances we've presented you with'. I don't feel the same thing was accomplished with Ellie in the second game.

His character arc feels utterly believable to that point - which is why the game is rightly considered a masterpiece. Hers takes a left field turn that doesn't make much sense in the context of what's gone before.

However, one salient point here - and to bring it back around to Intergalactic - is that Naughty Dog are extremely good at creating thought provoking stories and characters, even if they sometimes don't get it fully right. I hope the same is true of the new game, and this controversy around Jordan's looks and character don't derail it.

The only thing I can think of was in those endorphin and shock induced moments of PTSD flashbacks, she then felt pity for the ultra weakened state her arch nemesis was in compared to the encounter with her prior. And in that pity, she herself was realizing that she has become the monster she felt she was fighting against.

She had the term "daddy or mommy issues" thus she wanted to feel more pain to make her feel alive or have purpose. But the target she was directing her hatred towards, was unable to provide to her that any longer. I assume snapping the vicious cycle in that moment.

 

[GymWolf]

Ya I guess so.

For me, I typically skip much story and cutscenes in most games anyway unless it's unskippable (of course) which I have to sit there and watch it. I wouldnt even notice the nuances in plot in a game. I'd just know the overall theme of whats going on.

You must have hated max payne 3 to death then

 

[StreetsofBeige]

You must have hated max payne 3 to death then

Never played it. Shit game?

 

[DeepEnigma]

I still laught my ass every time some stupid fanboy defend this.

After all the shit Ellie come and Cuckman say 'nah, she will not kill Abby in the end'.

Not even giving an option to either kill Abby or not. The guy smell his own fart.

I'm most pissed about Alice, the lying douche.

Goodest of girls.

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

Sony aren't sending their best recently

Abby deserved to be killed by Ellie and Abby's dad deserved to be killed by Joel.

That's right, and if there are trailers, awards or technical demonstrations, they always use the already tired and fed-up The last of us part 2.

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

"Confident in their product" is another thing ND is known for

Not... this phrase is for Nintendo.

 

[GymWolf]

Never played it. Shit game?

Unskippable cutscene but one of the best tps ever made.

 

[Ulysses 31]

Unskippable cutscene but one of the best tps ever made.

Didn't they make them (mostly) skippable in later patches?

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Unskippable cutscene but one of the best tps ever made.

I'd die playing.

I hate it when you cant even mash buttons to get past the intro screens in a game. I decided the other day to play Heroes of MM3 again to test out a player tactic I never did when I used to play a lot. So it's first time playing the game on my new laptop I got 18 months ago.

Forgot. They treated it as a first time play.

So I had to sit through what must had been 3 or 4 minutes of a shitty CGI intro from 1999 where no amount of pressing buttons or ESC work to skip it.

It also pissed me off that, the random game I generated was fucked! I was landlocked and the only way to get to other parts of the map was to kill an AI hero who had a flying artifact. I fought him and he fled. No dimension doors in my region or spellbooks too. What a waste of time! So I cheated with various cheats and killed them all. This might had been the first time in history I got landlocked. I googled it, and people say it can happen.

 

[GymWolf]

Didn't they make them (mostly) skippable in later patches?

Not sure about it, when i replayed the thing like 1 year ago i didn't even tried to skip the cutscenes.

 

[Ulysses 31]

Not sure about it, when i replayed the thing like 1 year ago i didn't even tried to skip the cutscenes.

Well, they are good cutscenes with good writing unlike modern slop like Outlaws and Veilguard.

 

[Chuck Berry]

Not sure about it, when i replayed the thing like 1 year ago i didn't even tried to skip the cutscenes.

You can eventually skip them but it takes awhile and by that point you might as well just finish watching lol

 

[EN250]

I simply see it as the Fireflies were thinking of the greater good, and Joel was thinking of the personal good. There’s no right or wrong. The fact that people still talk about it today speaks volumes tbh, and gives credence to how strong the characters were/are.

And who doesn’t take a whiff of their own farts?

This is where the defense for the game comes crashing, if there is no right or wrong, Joel actions were completely justified and there is no moral highground where anyone could think about the greater good siding with a bunch renegades who were desperate to find a cure just to gain the support of whats left of the population in that area that is never shown to be supportive of said group

People still talk about it because at minimum, we got robbed the option to do or not (kill Miss Olympia or let her go) and because it was pure shock for the sake of shock, the medic you kill in the first game is a random npc no one cared about, same way Ellie keep dispatching npcs in the 2nd game, they're there as an obstacle to deal so we can keep moving forward

Ellie killing hordes of random npcs that amount to nothing like the medic in the first game, only to back out the last moment against the character that motivated all that, at end, unnecessary killing is unbelievable, not to mention how complete unhinged a person would be acting like that, complete bipolar psycho (not counting how she murders a pregnant woman, some real feminism empowering moment right there, lmao)

credit where credit's due, they got the reaction they wanted, just needed to burn bridges with the audience, but congrats

 

[Markio128]

This is where the defense for the game comes crashing, if there is no right or wrong, Joel actions were completely justified and there is no moral highground where anyone could think about the greater good siding with a bunch renegades who were desperate to find a cure just to gain the support of whats left of the population in that area that is never shown to be supportive of said group

People still talk about it because at minimum, we got robbed the option to do or not (kill Miss Olympia or let her go) and because it was pure shock for the sake of shock, the medic you kill in the first game is a random npc no one cared about, same way Ellie keep dispatching npcs in the 2nd game, they're there as an obstacle to deal so we can keep moving forward

Ellie killing hordes of random npcs that amount to nothing like the medic did in the first game, only to back out the last moment against the character that motivated all that, at end, unnecessary killing is unbelievable, not to mention how complete unhinged a person would be acting like that, complete bipolar psycho (not counting how she murders a pregnant woman, some real feminism empowering moment right there, lmao)

credit where credit's due, they got the reaction they wanted, just needed to burn bridges with the audience, but congrats

Most of the NPCs killed by Ellie would have killed (amongst other things) her in a heartbeat. Your mistaking unnecessary killing with survival. Ellie couldn’t have gotten from A to B whilst giving high-fives to everyone on the way there.

 

[PurePlatinum]

I like TLoU 2 a lot, but it's not quite as tight as the first game.

Intergalactic looks good but it's hard to tell from what little information we have. I fear it's a little late to the party on 80s nostalgia but happy to be proven wrong.

 

[DForce]

Uhhh, Hitgirl wasn't the lead in Kick-ass. But it fit the dark humor tone of the film.

She wasn't. The point is she became popular based on that movie role. Her beating up grown men wasn't an issue.

KB played off Uma Thurmans imposing physicality, plus her previous work with QT and she built up with The Avengers. Jolie did ok with Salt, that was built up over her run as Lara Croft, Mr and Mrs. Smith, Wanted, etc. I wouldn't consider Hunger Games to be an action flick, that's straight YA crap.

The Avengers? lol

It's a Quentin Tarantino, and that's one of the main reasons why it was successful.


The point remains, if it the story is good then the chances of the moving being successful is high.

 

[Three]

I don't recall Joel killing pregnant women in TLOU1 but maybe my memory is off. I don't recall Joel dragging his friends to get killed because he was selfish. If there's one thing Joel was good at, it was trying to limit the potential damage to those he cared about. He failed with Tess despite the fact that he tried to talk her out of Ellie.

Ellie didn't know Mel was pregnant so why are you mentioning this like she knew then killed the woman? The only reason that she even let Abby go is likely because of Lev as she says "just take him". Because she was after absolution for killing those with loved ones. Abby is the one who says "good" to finding out Dina is pregnant and Lev is the only one who stops her from killing Dina knowing this. Ellie was not a bad character and she only found out Mel was pregnant after the fact, she finds out from Owen.

 

[FalconPunch]

Ellie didn't know Mel was pregnant so why are you mentioning this like she knew then killed the woman? The only reason that she even let Abby go is likely because of Lev as she says "just take him". Because she was after absolution for killing those with loved ones. Abby is the one who says "good" to finding out Dina is pregnant and Lev is the only one who stops her from killing Dina knowing this.

Ignorance is not an excuse. The end result is one killed a pregnant lady and another did not. That's the beginning, middle, and end of the matter. Its better to have malicious intent and not go through with it than the alternative. The lack of intent will not bring those people back.

 

[Three]

Ignorance is not an excuse. The end result is one killed a pregnant lady and another did not. That's the beginning, middle, and end of the matter. Its better to have malicious intent and not go through with it than the alternative. The lack of intent will not bring those people back.

It's not? One didn't know the woman was pregnant and the other did and was going to kill her anyway. Joel killed Abby's father and left her fatherless. if he knew that he had a daughter do you think it would have made a difference? Does that make him just as bad then? Abby even killed Joel in front of Ellie.

 

[Ulysses 31]

I simply see it as the Fireflies were thinking of the greater good, and Joel was thinking of the personal good. There’s no right or wrong. The fact that people still talk about it today speaks volumes tbh, and gives credence to how strong the characters were/are.

And who doesn’t take a whiff of their own farts?

C'mon, that's some moral relativism crap. Yes, there's what the characters think and what's been shown and there's little to nothing shown the greater good was achievable with the means available.

Let me introduce you to the concept of "Malum in se". There things that are bad regardless of background, culture or traditions.

Performing a lethal surgery on a patient without informed consent is evil.

 

[Chuck Berry]