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[Ironman_Bad]

She's not athletic when she has a more of a body shape of a man. Don't normality this garbage.

Again she's not normal lol she's athletic

 

[Fabieter]

Again she's not normal lol she's athletic

So looking athletic equals looking like a man?

 

[Ironman_Bad]

So looking athletic equals looking like a man?

In some cases sure not always no

 

[Starbuck2907]

The trailer didn’t hype me up, but I’ll try it at $20 just for the Trent Reznor soundtrack.

 

[Fabieter]

In some cases sure not always no

Too me it takes me out of the experience having such stupid body shapes on a women. I never disliked druckmann but it's enough with his kinks.

 

[DForce]

There are actual people who defend the weird body shape of Jordan as "normal". Bros probably also think that abby had normal body shape for a women. Its not. Its weird druckmann kinks.

People are fine with the character because they don't need to find the character sexually appealing.

And like I said before, it's funny how no one had a problem with Abby's physical until after people found out she killed Joel. Where was this hate for her when she was first revealed?

 

[GymWolf]

- Ugly desexualized girlboss doing a ritual of defeminization by buzzing off her hair
- 80s retro vibes by ripping off movies like Alien and Guardians of the Galaxy
- obnoxious MCU dialogue
- female warrior beating up killer robots

Exactly WHAT is groundbreaking here?

She may or may not have a dick between her legs.

A Schrodinger dick is definitely fresh in the AAA action games panorama.

 

[PeteBull]

She may or may not have a dick between her legs.

A Schrodinger dick is definitely fresh in the AAA action games panorama.

 

[Hypereides]

Okay, after dwelling on it for a while, I guess I'll list some things I liked about this:

+The retrofuturism milieu is neat and promising premise
+The ambient music was cool
+The outer space "broken asteroid" motif was neat
+Pet shop boys was okay, but I would've chosen a different track
+Using old tech to create an 80's throwback was alright

If you're really going for the "Cowboy bebop" and "Akira" inspired feel, Neil, maybe give it an overhaul and stylize it in a "cell-shaded" "comic book" shader look à la Jet Set Radio or Scanner Darkly. Hyperrealism is overdone. Make the game distinguish itself. Especially, since you're making a callback to the "old days" of Naughty Dog and Crash Bandicoot when the studio was making those kinds of stylish games.

"Borrow" directly from "Cowboy bebop's" Anime colour palette/graphic design and base your moodboards on that. Speaking of 80's music, alternatively, maybe gather some inspiration from Art Of Noise and Jean-Michel Jarre to really "bring home" the vibe:





Also, perhaps add a Jazzy tune à la "Tank" to spice it up:



But, hey, what do I know. You probably won't listen to feedback from NeoGAF as you've stated yourself.

Never played it. Shit game?

As some have already said, the game is very unskippable cutscenes heavy. The gameplay is exceptional though. Ahead of its time in some ways.

 

[Fabieter]

People are fine with the character because they don't need to find the character sexually appealing.

And like I said before, it's funny how no one had a problem with Abby's physical until after people found out she killed Joel. Where was this hate for her when she was first revealed?

Last of us 2 part 2 was weird because of the leaks.

This time it's just ND being weird.

 

[DForce]

Last of us 2 part 2 was weird because of the leaks.

This time it's just ND being weird.

But they had nearly 3 years to complain about Abby's look and they didn't do it until the game was leaked.

This means no one really had a problem with Abby's appearance until they found out what she did to Joel.

 

[Fabieter]

But they had nearly 3 years to complain about Abby's look and they didn't do it until the game was leaked.

This means no one really had a problem with Abby's appearance until they found out what she did to Joel.

Well we didn't know we would actually play that abomination. We know we will play Jordan tho and I don't want to play her.

 

[DForce]

Well we didn't know we would actually play that abomination. We know we will play Jordan tho and I don't want to play her.

No, people thought we would play as her so that excuse won't work.

This is why I believe the majority of the hate towards her appearance is forced because you barely heard anything before the leaks.

 

[Ulysses 31]

It was Marlene's decision. She wasn't a random stranger.

The fact remains about the ending.... Ellie wasn't happy with Joel at the end of the first game. If she were unwilling to die under any circumstances then there would be more reason for her to be upset with Joel.

Which makes Marlene somewhat of a villain in that moment. Why does she get to decide if Ellie is to be sacrificed when with a little more time Ellie could've settled the matter?

Ellie probably sensed that Joel was lying, which was dumb of him IMO, but that doesn't retroactively make Marlene's decision morally right.

Being unethical during a zombie apocalypse?!?
Maybe the doc should have confirmed with the ethics board of the fire files on the legality of performing a procedure without the patient's consent, all while the world around them has collapsed.

Do things like murder and rape stop being bad when there's an apocalypse? Taking a patient's life without informed consent(aka murder) is bad, even during/after an apocalypse, yes. Malum in se.

 

[EN250]

But they had nearly 3 years to complain about Abby's look and they didn't do it until the game was leaked.

This means no one really had a problem with Abby's appearance until they found out what she did to Joel

I remember theories online saying Abby was Ellie's mother and you play the game in two different timelines, those dudes couldn't be more wrong, lmao

Also could be that back in those days people were so trusting of Naughty Doge that they didn't mind the characters appearance, now after TLOU2, only way I'll be shocked is if I see one male character that's not an ass and the antagonist, yaas queeen slaaaaay the patriarchy!!!

 

[Fabieter]

No, people thought we would play as her so that excuse won't work.

This is why I believe the majority of the hate towards her appearance is forced because you barely heard anything before the leaks.

Well i was shocked that I had to play her and I absolutely hated everything about her character and appearance. Jordan won't be any different. Can't play as a femboy.

 

[DForce]

Which makes Marlene somewhat of a villain in that moment. Why does she get to decide if Ellie is to be sacrificed when with a little more time Ellie could've settled the matter?

Ellie probably sensed that Joel was lying, which was dumb of him IMO, but that doesn't retroactively make Marlene's decision morally right.

Then you wouldn't have a morally ambiguous ending at the end. That's the way the ending was constructed.

Just because she made plans with Joel in the future doesn't mean she wasn't willing to sacrifice herself. She only assumed they would run tests and draw some blood.

I remember theories online saying Abby was Ellie's mother and you play the game in two different timelines, those dudes couldn't be more wrong, lmao

Also could be that back in those days people were so trusting of Naughty Doge that they didn't mind the characters appearance, now after TLOU2, only way I'll be shocked is if I see one male character that's not an ass and the antagonist, yaas queeen slaaaaay the patriarchy!!!

Yes, most people thought Abby was Anna.

People assumed she was pregnant with Ellie because the Scar put a knife to her stomach.
I

 

[Ulysses 31]

Then you wouldn't have a morally ambiguous ending at the end. That's the way the ending was constructed.

Which is why I think the ball was dropped a bit at the end writing wise. It's not so morally ambiguous to me when I consider what we've seen of the Fireflies in the game.

I assume the writers wanted to tell a more complex story than a father saving a daughter from delusion child killers but that's what it mostly looks like to me.

Just because she made plans with Joel in the future doesn't mean she wasn't willing to sacrifice herself. She only assumed they would run tests and draw some blood.

Which is why they should've confirmed with Ellie when they could. They either didn't care or just assumed consent. Both speak to a lack of moral fiber on the Fireflies part.

 

[DForce]

Which is why I think the ball was dropped a bit at the end writing wise. It's not so morally ambiguous to me when I consider what we've seen of the Fireflies in the game.

I assume the writers wanted to tell a more complex story than a father saving a daughter from delusion child killers but that's what it mostly looks like to me.

And other people disagree with your opinion. That's why it's morally ambiguous. People have different opinions and that was the writer's objective.

Which is why they should've confirmed with Ellie when they could. They either didn't care or just assumed consent. Both speak to a lack of moral fiber on the Fireflies part.

Marlene knew what Ellie wanted to do and so did Joel, and that's why he lied to her about what happened at the hospital.

I also don't believe Joel would've waited for Ellie to regain consciousness because he didn't want her to make that decision. You can say they didn't know for sure, it turns out they were right.

 

[Monjiro]

looks like a porn game on steam

This = porn to you? Jesus Christ...

 

[Three]

She might've agreed, yes. Since there's doubt, it was important to ask her when there was the chance. Just assuming consent when it comes to taking the live of the patient or worse, not caring about it, does not reflect well on the Fireflies.

But even if she had agreed, it still looks very sketchy that the Fireflies would've be able to turn things around and I'm very sure Ellie or Joel would've raised some questions about it.

She would have. At least her older self stated she would have. There is a scene in TLOU2 where Joel is playing the guitar on the balcony and they have a chat after where she makes it clear she would have.

This is the scene that she has the flashback of and decides not to kill Abby too. The "I don't think I can ever forgive you, but I would like to try" scene. It doesn't actually play the entire flashback, just joel playing the guitar on the balcony, but the player is left to figure out what she's remembering.

The fireflies not letting her make the choice there and then was unethical though. I think through fear that she wouldn't go through with it.

 

[Ulysses 31]

And other people disagree with your opinion. That's why it's morally ambiguous. People have different opinions and that was the writer's objective.

Some are more easily convinced by what the Fireflies say they're going to do than others, yes.

Marlene knew what Ellie wanted to do and so did Joel, and that's why he lied to her about what happened at the hospital.

Marlene pretty much confirms she never asked Ellie directly, "It's what she'd want." so it is an assumption of her. And Joel rightfully points out it ain't for Marlene to decide to sacrifice Ellie.

I also don't believe Joel would've waited for Ellie to regain consciousness because he didn't want her to make that decision. You can say they didn't know for sure, it turns out they were right.

Well, Marlene could've been more tactful with how and when she revealed what the operation would do but letting Joel see Ellie to ease his mind a bit would've gone a long way release tensions instead of escalations we see in the game.

 

[Ulysses 31]

She would have. At least her older self stated she would have. There is a scene in TLOU2 where Joel is playing the guitar on the balcony and they have a chat after where she makes it clear she would have.

I'm not so sure about that since that's the bitter and resentful Ellie talking and not the more hopeful and optimistic one from TLOU. And let's not forget Ellie doesn't know what the Fireflies tried to pull on Joel.

I find it hard to believe she would've been OK with cutting off Joel from her life like that without at least a goodbye after all they've been through. Maybe she thought it would've been put up for discussion with her but Joel stepped in violently before that could happen but she's never fully informed on the matter.

This is the scene that she has the flashback of and decides not to kill Abby too. The "I don't think I can ever forgive you, but I would like to try" scene. It doesn't actually play the entire flashback, just joel playing the guitar on the balcony, but the player is left to figure out what she's remembering.

The fireflies not letting her make the choice there and then was unethical though. I think through fear that she wouldn't go through with it.

I assume they didn't want to make the Fireflies too obviously evil by forcing the sacrifice if she had doubts or refused.

 

[DForce]

Some are more easily convinced by what the Fireflies say they're going to do than others, yes.

It's not about being convinced by what the Fireflies are going to do, it's about what Ellie wanted.

Marlene pretty much confirms she never asked Ellie directly, "It's what she'd want." so it is an assumption of her. And Joel rightfully points out it ain't for Marlene to decide to sacrifice Ellie.

That's not how the conversation went. lol

Marlene: You can't save her. Even if you get her out of here, then what? How long before she's torn to pieces by a pack of clickers? That is if she hasn't been raped and murdered first.
Joel: That ain't for you to decide.
Marlene: It's what she'd want. And you know it.

Just knows it and that's why he didn't say anything.

Well, Marlene could've been more tactful with how and when she revealed what the operation would do but letting Joel see Ellie to ease his mind a bit would've gone a long way release tensions instead of escalations we see in the game.

Then you have an ending that no one talks about for more than 10 years.

 

[Sept Terrion Of Nothing]

This thread become spoiler minefield for those who didn't play TLOU and TLOU 2. Hope that if anyone want to play that game in the future don't come to this thread (or can the mods change the title to state it?)

Being unethical during a zombie apocalypse?!?
Maybe the doc should have confirmed with the ethics board of the fire files on the legality of performing a procedure without the patient's consent, all while the world around them has collapsed.

Spoiler: TLOU2 Spoiler

Actually, in one of the flashbacks Abby's dad did talk to Marlene about Ellie's surgery. He told her that she will die. She objected fiercely but in the end accepted it. He wanted her permission which is understandable because she was the one who put that job for Joel (I think Tess as well) to transfer Ellie to that hospital.

 

[Three]

I'm not so sure about that since that's the bitter and resentful Ellie talking and not the more hopeful and optimistic one from TLOU. And let's not forget Ellie doesn't know what the Fireflies tried to pull on Joel.

Yeah she might of made a different decision when she was younger but she didn't really have anything to be resentful or bitter about at that moment either other than Joel making the opposite decision of what she wanted. This was before she lost Joel.
Her bitterness at that point was based purely on Joel's decision and if she actually agreed with Joel and didn't want to go through with it there wouldn't be any reason to be bitter or resentful.



The next day she loses Joel and doesn't get a chance to forgive.

 

[Ulysses 31]

It's not about being convinced by what the Fireflies are going to do, it's about what Ellie wanted.

Yes and she's not given the chance to say what she wanted. And I'm sure Ellie would've liked to see some assurances her sacrifice wouldn't be in vain.

That's not how the conversation went. lol

Marlene: You can't save her. Even if you get her out of here, then what? How long before she's torn to pieces by a pack of clickers? That is if she hasn't been raped and murdered first.
Joel: That ain't for you to decide.
Marlene: It's what she'd want. And you know it.

Just knows it and that's why he didn't say anything.

Doesn't change that Marlene didn't ask Ellie directly. Marlene can believe what Ellie would say but in matters of life and death, when you have the opportunity to double check, that's what you should do, not rush ahead based on assumptions.

Then you have an ending that no one talks about for more than 10 years.

If the Fireflies had been fleshed out more to make it more believable they could achieve their goals, who's to say that would've been less memorable.

 

[Astray]

No, people thought we would play as her so that excuse won't work.

This is why I believe the majority of the hate towards her appearance is forced because you barely heard anything before the leaks.

I don't like TLOU1/2, but that kind of reminds me of the MGS2 hate train.

 

[Forsete]

Posted?

 

[Salz01]

Posted?

Omg the thumbnail looks like a mirror reflection… is it ray traced?

 

[sono]

Would

 

[Hookshot]

Omg the thumbnail looks like a mirror reflection… is it ray traced?

I thought it was somebody taking the piss, the DF guy has the same hair and eyebrows making him look like a fatter version of Jordan .

 

[Geometric-Crusher]

So looking athletic equals looking like a man?

I watched the trailer again and now I'm sure, she has less muscles than Abby in fact she definitely has a normal female body, it's the ND engine that makes it look like there are muscles. I would date a woman like that, I don't see any problem.

 

[mrqs]

100 pages. Intergalactic's announcement is a massive success!

 

[GymWolf]

Posted?

That thumbnails can't be a coincidence

 

[GymWolf]

I watched the trailer again and now I'm sure, she has less muscles than Abby in fact she definitely has a normal female body, it's the ND engine that makes it look like there are muscles. I would date a woman like that, I don't see any problem.

Sound legit.

Ue3 made everything grey and brown
Ue5 make everything stutter
Nd engine turn women into muscly goblins

 

[elcapitano]

But they had nearly 3 years to complain about Abby's look and they didn't do it until the game was leaked.

This means no one really had a problem with Abby's appearance until they found out what she did to Joel.

Spot on

 

[saintjules]

 

[cormack12]

The last of hair.

I would date a woman like that, I don't see any problem.

That's very gracious of you Peter Stringfellow.

 

[Fabieter]

I watched the trailer again and now I'm sure, she has less muscles than Abby in fact she definitely has a normal female body, it's the ND engine that makes it look like there are muscles. I would date a woman like that, I don't see any problem.

So the engine is responsible that her back is like double or triple of an average women. Okay bro!

 

[Geometric-Crusher]

So the engine is responsible that her back is like double or triple of an average women. Okay bro!

watch trailer again
I feel like you are automatically jumping to conclusions, I guarantee she has a similar body to Helena uc4, Nadine Ross and Chloe (Lost Legacy)

 

[mckmas8808]

I thought I was superficial being a bodybuilder, but I don't hold a candle to the people so pissed about her looks. I'm the type to watch a movie and ask why the fuck a girl is wearing makeup, why is her hair perfect all the time, etc. It's especially ridiculous in sitcoms besides something like Roseanne, everyone looks unnatural. In Intergalactic you have a normal looking person alone on a ship in space and people want a super model. It's like people don't know what a girl looks like without makeup and a hair stylist. She has a body that looks capable of some violence instead of a 115-pound weak figure. Sure, it's in the future and there will be unrealistic shit, or at least futuristic stuff that doesn't exist in our world, but I think Naughty Dog is going for realistic characters and I'm here for it.

I'm just trying to get us to 100 pages. Don't quote me. We'll never agree lol

I agree with you!

 

[Fabieter]

watch trailer again
I feel like you are automatically jumping to conclusions, I guarantee she has a similar body to Helena uc4, Nadine Ross and Chloe (Lost Legacy)

I would understand if you give them the benefit of the doubt but I watched the trailer more than one time and that's a dude for me. It's not about beauty but why do you do female mc if you take all feminine aspects away.

 

[Slothbeing1209]

 

[Fabieter]

Joel looked like an old man, nothing like a women. So the comparison with Jordan are bullshit.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Fixed that for them

 

[Geometric-Crusher]

I would understand if you give them the benefit of the doubt but I watched the trailer more than one time and that's a dude for me. It's not about beauty but why do you do female mc if you take all feminine aspects away.

Wait for the game to be released, this protagonist will appear hot throughout the game. I think this is the fear of haters, feeling attracted to her.

 

[Drake]

Joel looked like an old man, nothing like a women. So the comparison with Jordan are bullshit.

Not only that, compared to your average 50 year old man I would say Joel is a pretty good looking dude. The chick from Intergalactic is straight up unattractive.

 

[Nickolaidas]

Posted?

Must feel nice for DF to get some hair representation.

Joel looked like an old man, nothing like a women. So the comparison with Jordan are bullshit.

Did you expect anything less from the woke than a disingenuous bullshit argument?

 

[diffusionx]

Attacking a product that uses the 100% physical appearance of a real actor is the biggest stupidity of recent times. Productions like Spider 2 and SW Outlaws, which is real actors are insulted and characters are deliberately made ugly are the dangerous ones and this kind of stupid attacks alleviates the real deal.

It doesn’t, they obviously changed how she looks to make her more ambiguous.