Support NeoGAF

[yogaflame]

I dont follow GotG movies or games, but what is the personality of the character? Political preacher? No nononsense balls to the wall cyborg solider?

A reason why people are making fun of Intergalactic's lead bald character is that where there's smoke there fire. And Druckmann and LOU are chock full of attitude and LQTB content. And some gamers just dont want that in a product. Druckmann himself even rages on Twitter in the past.

And just going by the trailer, the chances of Jordan actually being a kick ass action star with zero political attitude is basically 0%. I say basically because there's a chance it might be just a kick ass sci fi game with no politics or DEI, BUT lets face it. Even the biggest ND supporter knows given history and this trailer, there's good chance Intergalactic will be some kind of space lesbian story or preachy messages. You know deep down that big possibility is there again.

On the other hand, Witcher 4 got awesome like ratios even though Ciri took over Geralt. He was kicked to the curb. Instead of dislike bombing it, people still liked it. Why? Because Ciri is a liked character and the trailer was your usual "attack the angry CGI monster" action trailer. That's it. Practically every action or monster game has that kind of trailer. No clever plot twist or smarmy attitude.

As one of my old marketing prof's said (RIP because he died a year ago). "Marketing is simple. It's just common sense"

What sucks is the stereotype of those with woke agenda that a strong woman has to always looks like a lesbian butch and manly. Even in real life I saw pretty woman who are strong. Here is my example she is a former champion in One championship in Grappling/BJJ , Danielle Kelly. She lost her title from a close fight, but she will have her rematch coming up.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

What sucks is the stereotype of those with woke agenda that a strong woman has to always looks like a lesbian butch and manly. Even in real life I saw pretty woman who are strong. Here is my example she is a former champion in One championship in Grappling/BJJ , Danielle Kelly. She lost her title from a close fight, but she will have her rematch coming up.

Estonian speedskater Saskia Alusalu from years back. And this isnt even one of her uber dolled up glamour pics.

Western studios dont understand you can actually have athletic females in a game which look good. I guess to them, the only strong women (both physique and willpower) have to be more like Vasquez in Aliens.

 

[DForce]

Witcher is too big to fail, you don't take serious the worst takes on the internet to prove your point

Hell, even the Cowboy Bebop knockoff with female Aang as protagonist might do great knowing it's a PlayStation exclusive and the amount of quality games are associated with the brand alone

Saying these games will fail or have failed because they're woke are ALL bad takes so it makes no difference. This is the entire point of this discussion.

 

[FunkMiller]

What sucks is the stereotype of those with woke agenda that a strong woman has to always looks like a lesbian butch and manly.

What could it possibly be about people pushing this agenda that would make them want their strong female characters to always have masculine characteristics?

 

[Three]

Estonian speedskater Saskia Alusalu from years back. And this isnt even one of her uber dolled up glamour pics.

Western studios dont understand you can actually have athletic females in a game which look good. I guess to them, the only strong women (both physique and willpower) have to be more like Vasquez in Aliens.

A speedskater isn't army fit like Pvt Vasquez from Aliens, they're not expected to be in combat with anyone or expected to carry their fellow soldiers out of danger. A Speedskaters upper body strength is not important in the slightest. So if you actually are trying to compare by saying "look at real life, who's butch?" why a speedskater of all things?
Usually they have to have short/lighter upper bodies because that's preferable with strong legs. They don't normally have strong bulky arms because that's not ideal, low fat/low muscle skinny arms are. Besides this is the female gold medalist speedskater right now

Nobody is suggesting people don't "doll up" for an opening ceremony when the world is watching but most normal people aren't dolled up alone in space when watching cartoons or fighting either. If anything being dolled up like an opening ceremony or photoshoot would be the exception.

 

[Mister Wolf]

What sucks is the stereotype of those with woke agenda that a strong woman has to always looks like a lesbian butch and manly. Even in real life I saw pretty woman who are strong. Here is my example she is a former champion in One championship in Grappling/BJJ , Danielle Kelly. She lost her title from a close fight, but she will have her rematch coming up.

Stamp Fairtex.

 

[LectureMaster]

I am sure you guys would appreciate the head in 4K.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

A speedskater isn't army fit like Pvt Vasquez from Aliens, they're not expected to be in combat with anyone or expected to carry their fellow soldiers out of danger. A Speedskaters upper body strength is not important in the slightest. So if you actually are trying to compare by saying "look at real life, who's butch?" why a speedskater of all things?
Usually they have to have short/lighter upper bodies because that's preferable with strong legs. They don't normally have strong bulky arms because that's not ideal, low fat/low muscle skinny arms are. Besides this is the female gold medalist speedskater right now

Nobody is suggesting people don't "doll up" for an opening ceremony when the world is watching but most normal people aren't dolled up alone in space when watching cartoons or fighting either. If anything being dolled up like an opening ceremony or photoshoot would be the exception.

The point was any game with a female lead can be fit and good looking. Not every game involves soldiers carrying fallen soldiers across a battlefield. They dont have to have the physique or buzzcut look of Vasquez in order for gamers to believe it. For example, the character in Returnal has a short haired normal mom look. Lara Croft looks more feminine, but both characters arent skinheads or resemble thugs in GTA.

In Intergalactic, the character isn't a ripped female soldier either. That's fine. But why go with the bald manly look? You can have characters that are attractive.

Also, Jordan always shows smarmy attitude (sucking a straw at a commander), which isnt typically liked by people either. So it goes beyond looks too.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I am sure you guys would appreciate the head in 4K.

Shaolin Monk in the 25th Century: The Game

 

[JayK47]

I can't wait for this to come out and the defenders saying how amazing the gameplay is. If all you care about is gameplay, then why even play newer games? If characters and story are not compelling to you, surely there are better games with far superior gameplay.

 

[EDMIX]

A speedskater isn't army fit like Pvt Vasquez from Aliens, they're not expected to be in combat with anyone or expected to carry their fellow soldiers out of danger. A Speedskaters upper body strength is not important in the slightest. So if you actually are trying to compare by saying "look at real life, who's butch?" why a speedskater of all things?
Usually they have to have short/lighter upper bodies because that's preferable with strong legs. They don't normally have strong bulky arms because that's not ideal, low fat/low muscle skinny arms are. Besides this is the female gold medalist speedskater right now

Nobody is suggesting people don't "doll up" for an opening ceremony when the world is watching but most normal people aren't dolled up alone in space when watching cartoons or fighting either. If anything being dolled up like an opening ceremony or photoshoot would be the exception.

Slow down, that is too much logic and reason here!

Be like "Why can't women look sexy, look here at this strong woman"

(we just going to ignore she is getting an Emmy and dressed up and has make up by Maybelline) lol

Context is key here

The point was any game with a female lead can be fit and good looking

I think this lead is fit and good looking.....

They dont have to have the physique or buzzcut look of Vasquez in order for gamers to believe it.

I agree, but where did ND ever state they "have to" with this character? What is wrong if they just do exactly what they are doing currently?

For example, the character in Returnal has a short haired normal mom look.

lolz I mean, many on here attacked the shit out of that character too, even if she had short hair, folks would be having threads attacking the character.

If she has hair, attack the style.

If its just long hair, attack her weight.

If the character has no weight issue and is fit, attack her for being "too fit" and looking like a man.

Move the weight back and the'lll attack her chin.

I think the best move for ND and really any developer regarding this, make what they want. Nothing I see here shows that anyone would be silent about this characters looks as we've seen with waaaaaay too many threads of folks moving wild goal post to attack certain characters or developers. If it wasn't this, you'd just be complaining about something else.

But why go with the bald manly look? You an have characters that are attractive too.

She could be altering her identity based on being wanted or not wanting folks to know who she is etc. Your opinion on if you think that is attractive or not, is merely your opinion, so someone can see that as attractive..so this whole "You can have characters that are attractive too"

That is what they very well could be doing for those that are attracted to the character....

Thats like saying you hate McDonalds and then you act as if your high horse opinion is now a fucking bullet point at McDonalds, as in their CORE INTENT is to make you not like it. Like "why would McDonalds design the Big Mac to taste nasty? omg, you can have good tasting food too" as if your opinion has suddenly become an objective thing.

It is a subjective idea sir, as to why folks still eat at McDonalds and why you have people attracted to BBWs or females with big feet or females with long hair or females or short hair or females with no little to no hair. But shit Streets, I shouldn't have to tell you that, you clearly know its different strokes for different folks. If you made a game, your character might look like what you are attracted to, thats ok....why the fuck would you be shocked that someone else would make a game based on what they are attracted to?

I actually don't even get why many have not noticed or factored this lol

 

[EDMIX]

Stamp Fairtex.

Semi OT- Stamp imho right now currently, she is the best in the world regardless of organization. TIL DIS DAY!

I give you Stamp and raise you Cyborg.

One of the most legendary careers in all of combat sports. How tough or how good someone is has little relevance to looks.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Slow down, that is too much logic and reason here!

Be like "Why can't women look sexy, look here at this strong woman"

(we just going to ignore she is getting an Emmy and dressed up and has make up by Maybelline) lol

Context is key here




I think this lead is fit and good looking.....





I agree, but where did ND ever state they "have to" with this character? What is wrong if they just do exactly what they are doing currently?


lolz I mean, many on here attacked the shit out of that character too, even if she had short hair, folks would be having threads attacking the character.

If she has hair, attack the style.

If its just long hair, attack her weight.

If the character has no weight issue and is fit, attack her for being "too fit" and looking like a man.

Move the weight back and the'lll attack her chin.

I think the best move for ND and really any developer regarding this, make what they want. Nothing I see here shows that anyone would be silent about this characters looks as we've seen with waaaaaay too many threads of folks moving wild goal post to attack certain characters or developers. If it wasn't this, you'd just be complaining about something else.



She could be altering her identity based on being wanted or not wanting folks to know who she is etc. Your opinion on if you think that is attractive or not, is merely your opinion, so someone can see that as attractive..so this whole "You can have characters that are attractive too"

That is what they very well could be doing for those that are attracted to the character....

Thats like saying you hate McDonalds and then you act as if your high horse opinion is now a fucking bullet point at McDonalds, as in their CORE INTENT is to make you not like it. Like "why would McDonalds design the Big Mac to taste nasty? omg, you can have good tasting food too" as if your opinion has suddenly become an objective thing.

It is a subjective idea sir, as to why folks still eat at McDonalds and why you have people attracted to BBWs or females with big feet or females with long hair or females or short hair or females with no little to no hair. But shit Streets, I shouldn't have to tell you that, you clearly know its different strokes for different folks. If you made a game, your character might look like what you are attracted to, thats ok....why the fuck would you be shocked that someone else would make a game based on what they are attracted to?

I actually don't even get why many have not noticed or factored this lol

My opinion she's not attractive seems to be the majority. That's why this game and the skinhead character is getting ripped to shreds.

First impressions are always important because that will form the narrative. The game is universally getting ratio bombed with hilarious comments no matter which YT channel showed the trailer.

And gamers typically like good looking characters to play. You might not care and think she's hot. Most dont. And since this game is so early in promotional material (we might not get more info for another 6 or 12 months), this game will be made fun of daily until proven otherwise.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Semi OT- Stamp imho right now currently, she is the best in the world regardless of organization. TIL DIS DAY!

I give you Stamp and raise you Cyborg.

One of the most legendary careers in all of combat sports. How tough or how good someone is has little relevance to looks.

Nobody ever said the best athletes all skew to good looking hunky guys or hot women. But they are out there. So a studio purposely dumbing down the looks of women (Jordan even looks worse than real life Tati) or taking a good looking actress for mo cap and some reason mashing her face in the ground or giving her a Jay Leno chin is totally their call. But forced. And that even ignores the possibility of political preaching or DEI which is another topic that might add to the pile. And you know ND is a studio who might do that too.

Add it up, it doesn't mean gamers have to like it or give it thumbs up likes just because you do.

Youre getting mixed up between what gamers like to play and real life.

 

[Geometric-Crusher]

What sucks is the stereotype of those with woke agenda that a strong woman has to always looks like a lesbian butch and manly. Even in real life I saw pretty woman who are strong. Here is my example she is a former champion in One championship in Grappling/BJJ , Danielle Kelly. She lost her title from a close fight, but she will have her rematch coming up.

Now find a black, athletic woman prettier than Jordan because Jordan is a black woman the comparison becomes more accurate. Although she (jordan) isn't really strong, it's just that the ND engine has difficulty accurately displaying reality, all the women in this engine have natural arms, which makes them look strong.

 

[EDMIX]

My opinion she's not attractive seems to be the majority

You didn't speak to every human on earth to know any of that lol Majority or not is irrelevant to the point btw.

That's why this game and the skinhead character is getting ripped to shreds.

Thats nice, they are free to have opinion JUST like the developer is free to have a different one and make this game. What's the issue?

. The game is universally getting ratio bombed with hilarious comments no matter which YT channel showed the trailer.

Ok and they did this to Far Cry, Call Of Duty, Assassin's Creed etc only to have those games move massive units

So a studio purposely dumbing down the looks of women (Jordan even looks worse than real life Tati)

I don't see any evidence of that

You merely don't like how she looks.....thats it.

Add it up, it doesn't mean gamers have to like it or give it thumbs up likes just because you do.

Doesn't mean gamers have to hate it cause you and a comment section in Youtube are triggered either Street...

Did you learn that opinions work both ways today or what? lol

(Streets finding out that other people can have opinions)

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Now find a black, athletic woman prettier than Jordan because Jordan is a black woman the comparison becomes more accurate. Although she (jordan) isn't really strong, it's just that the ND engine has difficulty accurately displaying reality, all the women in this engine have natural arms, which makes them look strong.

You dont even need a woman to compare against. Your typical MMA black guy looks better. lol

But on a serious note, Florence Griffith Joyner was a big track star who is better looking by a mile.

 

[EDMIX]

You dont even need a woman to compare against. Your typical MMA black guy looks better.

sus...i don't know if we need your take on what you feel is um.."attractive" or not now lol

Starting to make a lot of sense why you dislike all those women lol

 

[StreetsofBeige]

You didn't speak to every human on earth to know any of that lol Majority or not is irrelevant to the point btw.



Thats nice, they are free to have opinion JUST like the developer is free to have a different one and make this game. What's the issue?


Ok and they did this to Far Cry, Call Of Duty, Assassin's Creed etc only to have those games move massive units


I don't see any evidence of that

You merely don't like how she looks.....thats it.


Doesn't mean gamers have to hate it cause you and a comment section in Youtube are triggered either Street...

Did you learn that opinions work both ways today or what? lol

(Streets finding out that other people can have opinions)

Exactly.

We all have opinions. Whether it's GAF, or YT or whatever social media site has people posting. Too mad edmix. The going rate is the game is getting bombed and people are laughing at it.

Nobody ever said 100% on earth will ever have the same opinion. You just dont like how Intergalactic and skinhead Jordan are getting ridiculed. And that could had been prevented if they had a better looking character and trailer.

As many of us said before, it has nothing to do with a female lead. Witcher 4 got awesome props and likes. Geralt literally got kicked to the curb like he doesnt even exist. But it was a kick ass trailer, so people liked it. It's not hard to understand.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

sus...i don't know if we need your take on what you feel is um.."attractive" or not now lol

Starting to make a lot of sense why you dislike all those women lol

You can make accusations all you want. But if you want to make it against me, you are also making it against anyone else who thinks the character is ugly and the trailer stunk.

Be cautious when you accuse people.

 

[Geometric-Crusher]

Thats nice, they are free to have opinion JUST like the developer is free to have a different one and make this game. What's the issue?

The only explanation is ''to fight our freedom'' I don't want to polemicize but there are many countries in the world that fight human freedom (including creative freedom) we must not be naive, there are in our free countries people from there who spread this here, fight the woke (if such a thing exists) is code word to combat ND's creative freedom.

 

[DForce]

I can't wait for this to come out and the defenders saying how amazing the gameplay is. If all you care about is gameplay, then why even play newer games? If characters and story are not compelling to you, surely there are better games with far superior gameplay.

It seems like you guys care more about hot female characters than the actual gameplay and the story.

The thing is, people don't need to find the character sexually attractive to find the game appealing. People enjoy Naughty Dog's games and that's one of the main reasons why they're looking forward to this game.

 

[EDMIX]

The going rate is the game is getting bombed and people are laughing at it.

Thats nice, they are free to laugh at anything, why the fuck would I buy a game based on who the majority of social media is laughing at or not? lol

I buy base my views based on my own personal opinion, not GAF or YT or Instagram or Twitter etc.

That isn't some buying factor for many of us that can actually think for ourselves.

You just dont like how Intergalactic and skinhead Jordan are getting ridiculed.

? When did I say that ? lol I don't recall ever stating I cared if anyone praised this or not

When I have you ever known me to buy anything based on if any majority on social media like some shit or not?

I'm sorry Streets, but I think you want folks to care, but the reality is, many of us who like games for actually being games, do not seek any majority validation regarding anything. Naughty Dog is making a game, of course you will have trolls come out to attack it, like they do AC series, Call Of Duty and really anything popular or on their radar , but thinking that some of us MUST care that THEY like it or not is quite funny.

If we didn't fucking care when folks attacked The Last Of Us 2, why did you think we would fucking care here? lol

So this is day 1 if you they loved it, day 1 if they hated it and laughed.

I don't fucking buy games based on what the majority is liking or not on Twitter.

You can make accusations all you want. But if you want to make it against me, you are also making it against anyone else who thinks the character is ugly and the trailer stunk.

Be cautious when you accuse people.

lolz, it was a joke Streets, but tbh, you are the one that made the statement about a guy looking good, not me. That isn't an accusation, you said what you said and that is on you lol

but i'm ok if you do either way though Streets.

Love is Love

The only explanation is ''to fight our freedom'' I don't want to polemicize but there are many countries in the world that fight human freedom (including creative freedom) we must not be naive, there are in our free countries people from there who spread this here, fight the woke (if such a thing exists) is code word to combat ND's creative freedom.

I don't disagree that one can view this that way. It very much can be interpreted that way

It seems like you guys care more about hot female characters than the actual gameplay and the story.

The thing is, people don't need to find the character sexually attractive to find the game appealing. People enjoy Naughty Dog's games and that's one of the main reasons why they're looking forward to this game.

Agreed and I don't get the absolute that JayK47 is talking about here, one can literally like both and I don't see that anyone here is saying they hate a story or anything odd like that. I love ND gameplay, but I love their stories most times too

 

[Woggleman]

If men don't find women like that attractive then how did the woman I know with a buzzcut manage to get married and have two kids?

There are many like that who have no issue attracting men.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Thats nice, they are free to laugh at anything, why the fuck would I buy a game based on who the majority of social media is laughing at or not? lol

I base my views based on my own personal opinion, not GAF or YT or Instagram or Twitter etc.

That isn't some buying factor for many of us that can actually think for ourselves.



? When did I say that ? lol I don't recall ever stating I cared if anyone praised this or not

When I have you ever known me to buy anything based on if any majority on social media like some shit or not?

I'm sorry Streets, but I think you want folks to care, but the reality is, many of us who like games for actually being games, do not seek any majority validation regarding anything. Naughty Dog is making a game, of course you will have trolls come out to attack it, like they do AC series, Call Of Duty and really anything popular or on their radar , but thinking that some of us MUST care that THEY like it or not is quite funny.

If we didn't fucking care when folks attacked The Last Of Us 2, why did you think we would fucking care here? lol

So this is day 1 if you they loved it, day 1 if they hated it and laughed.

I don't fucking buy games based on what the majority is liking or not on Twitter.


lolz, it was a joke Streets, but tbh, you are the one that made the statement about a guy looking good, not me. That isn't an accusation, you said what you said and that is on you lol

but i'm ok if you do either way though Streets.

Love is Love


I don't disagree that one can view this that way. It very much can be interpreted that way


Agreed and I don't get the absolute that JayK47 is talking about here, one can literally like both and I don't see that anyone here is saying they hate a story or anything odd like that. I love ND gameplay, but I love their stories most times too

Fair enough.

But if you truly only care what you like and dont care what other people or social media sites say, then why do you care what any of us say on Gaf about Intergalactic or the skinhead character?

 

[EDMIX]

Fair enough.

But if you truly only care what you like and dont care what other people or social media sites say, then why do you care what any of us say on Gaf about Intergalactic or the skinhead character?

I care enough to discuss it just like you, not enough to determine any game purchase based on any of this though lol

As you see Streets, I don't really believe in absolutions or either ors.

 

[EDMIX]

If men don't find women like that attractive then how did the woman I know with a buzzcut manage to get married and have two kids?

There are many like that who have no issue attracting men.

I always tell people, go to your local Wal Mart or super market and you'll noticed the married couples are not looking like some damn super models lol

What is attractive to one person, may not be attractive to another.

I love watching Discover ID and being like "bruv getting life in prison cause they wanted to rid their family for someone who look like THAT?" lol

 

[Geometric-Crusher]

I don't disagree that one can view this that way. It very much can be interpreted that way

I have total respect for tennis player Serena Williams, a married woman with a beautiful family.

The character Jordan has thinner arms and, because she has Tati Gabrielle's face, she is also prettier. There is nothing wrong with the character, the impression I have is that, there is an attractive preference that some men may or may not have for her ( most players don't seem to like Jordan's beauty, okay that's personal taste - let's use an understatement) . The point is - do we need to feel emotional attraction for a character in games?
I don't think so, I think the game needs to have good gameplay and advanced graphics.

 

[EDMIX]

I have total respect for tennis player Serena Williams, a married woman with a beautiful family.

The character Jordan has thinner arms and, because she has Tati Gabrielle's face, she is also prettier. There is nothing wrong with the character, the impression I have is that there is an attractive preference that some men may or may not have for her ( most players don't seem to like Jordan's beauty, okay that's personal taste - let's use an understatement) . The point is - do we need to feel emotional attraction for a character in games?
I don't think so, I think the game needs to have good gameplay and advanced graphics.

Agreed.

I think the focus should always be on great gameplay and with characters, the narrative, story, the development etc should be the focus.

I rarely play anything where I find the person in the game attractive, i simply play based on their perspective. I wish to see their story, what is happening with them and what is their goal etc , any personal thing on what they look like has always had very little relevance to me, as the point for me anyway is, I'm here to see your story... thats it.

Thats like saying I'm sextually attracted to Arthur Morgan lol I play knowing that even if I think he is ugly as shit, I just enjoy that they story is about some ugly person on a journey lol

I don't think any game can be made where all of GAF or the world in general ALL agree with liking how the character looks, its impossible and I think the developer should focus their efforts on making the best game they can, create their vision and ignore trolls. I get people can have opinions on looks, but this shit has gotten so out of hand, using this logic no game would ever be complete even listen to anyone like this.

You'd just be changing chins, hair styles, boobs every day to no end. lol

 

[DForce]

Exactly.

We all have opinions. Whether it's GAF, or YT or whatever social media site has people posting. Too mad edmix. The going rate is the game is getting bombed and people are laughing at it.

Nobody ever said 100% on earth will ever have the same opinion. You just dont like how Intergalactic and skinhead Jordan are getting ridiculed. And that could had been prevented if they had a better looking character and trailer.

As many of us said before, it has nothing to do with a female lead. Witcher 4 got awesome props and likes. Geralt literally got kicked to the curb like he doesnt even exist. But it was a kick ass trailer, so people liked it. It's not hard to understand.

Even if the character was more attractive, people would find reasons to give the video a thumbs down because they don't like Neil Druckmann. The Last of Us Part II is one of the most engaging farming games online.

What do I mean?

People will make a tweet calling The Last of Us Part II the best game of all time knowing people will make a viral tweet criticizing their opinion.

There's a lot of hate online for Naughty Dog and Neil Druckmann. This opinion is not shared by the vast majority of gamers because they just know Naughty Dog by the logo featured in games like The Last of Us and Uncharted.

 

[Mister Wolf]

Now find a black, athletic woman prettier than Jordan because Jordan is a black woman the comparison becomes more accurate. Although she (jordan) isn't really strong, it's just that the ND engine has difficulty accurately displaying reality, all the women in this engine have natural arms, which makes them look strong.

Alycia Baumgardner



Sydney Michelle McLaughlin-Levrone



Fatima Diame

 

[Don Carlo]

​

Got mixed feelings about this.

 

[EDMIX]

Alycia Baumgardner



Sydney Michelle McLaughlin-Levrone



Fatima Diame

ok, now find one FINER THEN THEM! I bet you can't though...

(please post more)

I think all the women you posted are fine though, but I just think Tati finer though. They are all looking right.

Weekend GAF is wild AF! lol

 

[nikolino840]

Since is about religion...could be something related about jewish/Israel/gaza/holocaust?

 

[llien]

Hades:

- Most people would never consider those characters "trans looking characters". And most would never identify this game as a "woke" game.

Not sure why you mention trans with Hades. I thought it was about dominant POC presence, which as I understand is there.

BG3:

- It's a build your character RPG, so no having pronouns there isn't woke at all.

I think I got what you mean. RPG is about customizing your chars, hence having more options to do so is not woke.
As opposed to, say, having pronouns in, say, a real time strategy game.

Of all woke stuff, this is the one least bothering me (ignorant bit aside) as it isn't forced upon the player and is indeed a choice.

But doesn't it also mean that pronouns are simply "not woke' in games from your point of view? Can you describe a possible pronouns use in games that would be woke?

AW:

Just because they worked on the game doesn't make it woke.

What kind of service, other than "make it woke" does Sweet Baby provide?

But my biggest point was jumping on what DForce DForce was saying. When a so-called "woke" game sells great and does great in the ratings, the "anti-woke" never acknowledge it. The "Go Woke, Go Broke" statement just gets thrown in the garbage. Now they all use Concord as the Woke game of choice, but never mention BG3.

I've looked up sales figures for TLOU2 and yeah, perhaps my perception (based on my personal take: I loved playing Joel, the girl was pure annoyance, so no Joel no buy, thx) is wrong, TLOU2 sells on par with TLOU1.

"Does wokism harm business" is a different topic though. We were talking about "people see wokism, when there isn't any".

The example the woman used was the point. Her argument is that they made Joel ugly due to "woke" and she was "fixing" the model to make him look more attractive. Kind of like how people are taking Tati and making her look like a Korean K-pop singer sucking through a straw.

Yeah, except Joel is attractive as is, despite all the wrinkles and gray hair.

There's enough evidence to show that "wokeness" in video games doesn't discourage the vast majority from buying video games.

I can take you how it works in my family, which includes myself, my spouse, our daughter. (the boy is too young for this crap)
It's putting us off. It leads us t watching more Asian movies and more of a low budget German stuff.

You can say, well, that's you, you are minority.
Possibly.

But it is curious that even you refer to DEI stuff as a negative factor.
Wasn't DEI supposed to make products more successful?

Why did Furiousa, an excellent movie, fail in the box office? Does it have nothing to do with gender swap?

Is there objective evidence of "DEI impact"?

 

[DForce]

I can take you how it works in my family, which includes myself, my spouse, our daughter. (the boy is too young for this crap)
It's putting us off. It leads us t watching more Asian movies and more of a low budget German stuff.

You can say, well, that's you, you are minority.
Possibly.

But it is curious that even you refer to DEI stuff as a negative factor.
Wasn't DEI supposed to make products more successful?

Why did Furiousa, an excellent movie, fail in the box office? Does it have nothing to do with gender swap?

Is there objective evidence of "DEI impact"?

Do you remember how people use the dislike/like ratio to prove people don't like the film?

FURIOSA : A MAD MAX SAGA | OFFICIAL TRAILER #1
Like: 232k
Dislike: 22k

FURIOSA : A MAD MAX SAGA | OFFICIAL TRAILER #2
Like: 117k
Dislike: 13k

FURIOSA : A MAD MAX SAGA | Sneak Peek “Chapters” Trailer
Like: 12k
Dislike: 760

Wicked - Official Trailer
like: 288k
Dislike: 105k

Wicked - Official Trailer 2
Like: 41k
Dislike: 30k

There were more positive reactions to Wicked Trailers only on, but it got progressively worse up until the movie was officially released.





The Anti-woke content creators blasted it, but it turned out to be one of the biggest movies of the year.

I don't know why Furiosa failed. It was also blasted as "woke" but the trailers had a more positive reaction.

You have two examples of movies that people labeled as woke, and one was highly successful. If "wokeness" destroys movies then it would be consistent throughout, but it's not. This is proof it doesn't turn off people as much as the anti-woke crowd thinks.

 

[Mister Wolf]

ok, now find one FINER THEN THEM! I bet you can't though...

(please post more)

I think all the women you posted are fine though, but I just think Tati finer though. They are all looking right.

Weekend GAF is wild AF! lol

We'll just agree to disagree. First saw Tati on The 100. She don't move me like that. Wasn't even the finest on that show. That honor went to Lexa.

Do you remember how people use the dislike/like ratio to prove people don't like the film?

FURIOSA : A MAD MAX SAGA | OFFICIAL TRAILER #1
Like: 232k
Dislike: 22k

FURIOSA : A MAD MAX SAGA | OFFICIAL TRAILER #2
Like: 117k
Dislike: 13k

FURIOSA : A MAD MAX SAGA | Sneak Peek “Chapters” Trailer
Like: 12k
Dislike: 760

Wicked - Official Trailer
like: 288k
Dislike: 105k

Wicked - Official Trailer 2
Like: 41k
Dislike: 30k

There were more positive reactions to Wicked Trailers only on, but it got progressively worse up until the movie was officially released.





The Anti-woke content creators blasted it, but it turned out to be one of the biggest movies of the year.

I don't know why Furiosa failed. It was also blasted as "woke" but the trailers had a more positive reaction.

You have two examples of movies that people labeled as woke, and one was highly successful. If "wokeness" destroys movies then it would be consistent throughout, but it's not. This is proof it doesn't turn off people as much as the anti-woke crowd thinks.

Like Barbie, Wicked overwhelmingly has a female fanbase. Mad Max IP does not. It's men as a majority against "wokeness" not women. Women and men that wish they were women are the primary supporters of it.

 

[FalsettoVibe]

I can't wait for this to come out and the defenders saying how amazing the gameplay is. If all you care about is gameplay, then why even play newer games? If characters and story are not compelling to you, surely there are better games with far superior gameplay.

That's the thing. You don't know anything about the story or the gameplay. Yet it's trash and anyone who thinks otherwise is a defender. People have come up with an entire narrative and conclusion based on a 4 minute cinematic with 5 seconds of supposed gameplay and have resorted to call any person with a wait and see attitude about this game a "defender". The fact that you call anyone a defender based on how little we have to go on says more about yourself than anything imo.

Also, if people are fans of ND gameplay and think they might enjoy this, then what's it to you? Let people like what they like. Who cares if those "defenders" say how amazing it is.

 

[DForce]

Like Barbie, Wicked overwhelmingly has a female fanbase. Mad Max IP does not. It's men as a majority against "wokeness" not women. Women are the primary supporters of it.

People said they would stop watching The Last of Us series because it was woke and didn't impact the viewership at all.

Are you going to say this was due to mostly women watching the TV series?

 

[Mister Wolf]

People said they would stop watching The Last of Us series because it was woke and didn't impact the viewership at all.

Are you going to say this was due to mostly women watching the TV series?

Who knows. Women like dramas a lot. Do you think a lot of women watch The Walking Dead?

 

[cebri.one]

When you thought this thread could never get more weird lmao

 

[DForce]

Who knows. Women like dramas a lot. Do you think a lot of women watch The Walking Dead?

TV Shows like The Walking Dead and The Last of Us are popular with both men and women.


Men are mostly against wokeness, sure, but we're still seeing successful games with tons of "woke" content become successful.

 

[PeteBull]

If men don't find women like that attractive then how did the woman I know with a buzzcut manage to get married and have two kids?

There are many like that who have no issue attracting men.

Women who are 5/10 get married too, my man, as long as she is feminine, not a hoe and actually respects and submits to her man, not old hag etc, she will have a man propose to her and it wont take too long either.
Hell u saw apex man like Will Smith chose mid woman with extremly bad character traits like Jaida and marry her, some men are simply bad judges, then they suffer whole life, just like Will Smith, who is now laughed at, despite all his movies, being A-tier movie star/celeb, it still means shit only coz he chose wrong woman and didnt correct his mistake...

 

[EDMIX]

Who knows. Women like dramas a lot. Do you think a lot of women watch The Walking Dead?

yes lol

I'd argue, most of the people I know who even watched Walking Dead that I talked to about it were female.

My sisters fucking love that show lol

 

[Rudius]

 

[Boglin]

yes lol

I'd argue, most of the people I know who even watched Walking Dead that I talked to about it were female.

My sisters fucking love that show lol

That's because women have a natural sexual attraction to zombies and the undead in general. Some women will claim they watch The Walking Dead because they like Norman Reedus or something, but that can easily be refuted by the simple undisputed fact that women prefer Last of Us to Death Stranding. That latent attraction in women for the dead who have come back to life is also why team Edward was significantly larger than team Jacob.

It's probably not obvious for all you "lady-killers" here on Neogaf, but trust me. I often get feedback from people who bought my self-help book that they've found the section related to wearing vampire and zombie customes on Halloween to some of the best advice they've ever gotten and they see amazing results, with some even getting to second base.

Edit: No, I haven't played Death Stranding. Don't @ me.

 

[ArtHands]

I am sure you guys would appreciate the head in 4K.

why will I want a wallpaper of that?

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Even if the character was more attractive, people would find reasons to give the video a thumbs down because they don't like Neil Druckmann. The Last of Us Part II is one of the most engaging farming games online.

What do I mean?

People will make a tweet calling The Last of Us Part II the best game of all time knowing people will make a viral tweet criticizing their opinion.

There's a lot of hate online for Naughty Dog and Neil Druckmann. This opinion is not shared by the vast majority of gamers because they just know Naughty Dog by the logo featured in games like The Last of Us and Uncharted.

And if that's true, that's Druckmann's and ND's fault for still having a lame trailer (even if it was a hot character as the the lead) and a history of LOU with LGBT plot lines or killing off beloved characters like Joel. The shaved head attitude character in Intergalactic so far fits right in. And you, me and everyone else knows it. And Druckmann is the kind of guy to do more DEI in a game with more politics. And when things dont go his way, he'll complain on Twitter like a baby.

And why would any gamers like the Intergalactic trailer when it had more to do with product placements than gaming? Gamers are supposed to get excited about Adidas, Pet Shop Boys and Porsche? So what's next? Cabbage Patch dolls, Jordache jeans and Coke II? Why would anyone care? This might be the first game in history a company promotes corporate brands more than the game in a 4 min trailer.

If Druckmann and ND instead made a kick ass trailer like Witcher 4 for a new game with a typical decent looking character smashing monster heads in a fight like every other game trailer made (Ciri literally chopped off a monster's head), you'd of course get more gamers amped up liking it. W4 trailer was well liked even though there's not even Geralt in it. He might not even be in the game at all. Or maybe he's got a crappy cameo and that's it. People still liked it. That's because Ciri is liked and what was shown was kick ass.

 

[DForce]

And if that's true, that's Druckmann's and ND's fault for still having a lame trailer (even if it was a hot character as the the lead) and a history of LOU with LGBT plot lines or killing off beloved characters like Joel. The shaved head attitude character in Intergalactic so far fits right in. And you, me and everyone else knows it. And Druckmann is the kind of guy to do more DEI in a game with more politics. And when things dont go his way, he'll complain on Twitter like a baby.

And why would any gamers like the Intergalactic trailer when it had more to do with product placements than gaming?

If Druckmann and ND instead made a kick ass trailer like Witcher 4 for a new game with a typical decent looking character smashing monster heads in a fight like every other game trailer made (Ciri literally chopped off a monster's head), you'd of course get more gamers amped up liking it. W4 trailer was well liked even though there's not even Geralt in it. He might not even be in the game at all. Or maybe he's got a crappy cameo and that's it. People still liked it.

The next trailer could blow people's minds and his haters are still going to find reasons to shit on his game. Their minds are not going to change their mind. There's a reason why he went over to bsky because people are still acting out emotionally 4 years after The Last of Us Part II.

You can say it's "his fault" for this reaction, but grown men and women need to start acting like adults and move on.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

The next trailer could blow people's minds and his haters are still going to find reasons to shit on his game. Their minds are not going to change their mind. There's a reason why he went over to bsky because people are still acting out emotionally 4 years after The Last of Us Part II.

You can say it's "his fault" for this reaction, but grown men and women need to start acting like adults and move on.

If people are still ragging on him, that's because he has yet to prove to gamers his next big game (Intergalactic) will be awesome with no politics, no killing off likeable characters etc... Just prove to gamers Intergalactic is much different than LOU2.

Gamers can totally change. COD games used to universally get awesome reviews, then it changed to hit and miss. Last years revamped MWIII got drilled into the dirt. I think it was the worst rated COD ever even worse than trash Vanguard.

BO6 comes out and it's back to old form with a good rated game. Not as good as the old 360 days when they'd get 90/100, but it got 83. It rebounded and nobody cares about MWIII anymore.

Guys like Druckmann are in a tougher spot to rebound because his games take 5 years to come out. So if the last game pissed off people, he'll have to endure 5 years of backlash. COD doesn't. It can rebound a year later. That's why myself and others have stressed having a good trailer is important especially for new IPs. And so far, this trailer didn't do that as people are ragging on it. And not just gaffers. Go to YT and popular game streamer channels are too. And they are criticizing valid points. Skinhead lead who isn't attractive (some people will claim she is, but not to many of us and not to conventional gaming characters or real life), zero gameplay (unless that final 5 second clip is supposed to represent gameplay? It might), character already has a gen z defiant attitude (sucking a straw in someone's face not giving a shit), and people remember the product placements more than the game.

They could had avoided all the bad backlash by just having a good looking character, some kick ass battle scenes and gameplay snip. And a gameplay snip is the least important because gamers know many games are 100% CGI until later on when real clips come out. So ND didn't even have to include real gameplay footage yet.

People are comparing Intergalactic to GotG. Might not be a totally accurate comparison but close enough. There's reasons why people are ragging on Druckmann/Intergalactic while GotG trailers and movies get high ratings. And heck, GotG even has cheesy shit like a tree dude and fighting raccoon.