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[Spotless Mind]

I was hoping Moffat would ditch Murray Gold.

I think Gold has produced some excellent music for some episodes. It's mostly his music that accompanies action that bugs me. It's overly bombastic and all those ridiculous trumpets flaring (or whatever instruments he uses) are so distracting.

I think it would've been nice to get a new sound for Moffat's run.

 

[Blader]

Yeah, Gold has done a few *really* good themes for Doctor Who (most recently Vale Decem, and whatever played during Tennant's "I could do so much more!" scene), but other than those kind of emotional character-driven themes, his music is just really annoying.

 

[Regulus Tera]

The only Murray Gold theme I absolutely hate is his UNIT theme.

He is, imo, the only consistently good aspect of New Who.

 

[JonathanEx]

But as a composer, he'll very much be going for what he's asked for - so if he's asked for a bit more subdued or different sound, I'm sure he'd be able to - he'll very much be doing what he's asked for, and I wouldn't be surprised if he was asked to make it BIGGER AND BIGGER AND BIGGER.


And Blader, here's the music of the Doctor's speech and death in the container. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewFL5XyPzNc

 

[Raydeen]

ugh, that music.

Yep. Horrific. Shades of the Donna era. He does good music for the scary and more haunting stuff but up tempo 'adventure & excitement' he can't do for toffee.

 

[Spotless Mind]

He does good music for the scary and more haunting stuff but up tempo 'adventure & excitement' he can't do for toffee.

You said it better than me. The music in that clip totally gave me flashes back to The Runaway Bride's score, which was an absolute trainwreck. The fantastic score for Blink, in comparison, seems like it was from a completely different composer.

This track from the end of Waters of Mars is my favourite of his recent stuff and definitely helped evoke a reaction from me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF8kE0nN7Q8&feature=related

 

[Thomper]

Might just be me, but I really like his Doctor Forever theme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=844_IkhcP-g), and I'd say that combines the more haunting tones with the adventurous stuff quite well.

But whatever you think, the orchestral music has been an almost consistently great part of new-Who. There's very few shows out there with orchestral themes that feel as epic, and I'm glad DW is one of them.

 

[infiniteloop]

Having a new Who Moffat marathon this weekend. Might watch End of Time again if I can stomach it.

 

[Mr. Sam]

Having a new Who Moffat marathon this weekend. Might watch End of Time again if I can stomach it.

I'd just skip the first part, to be honest.

 

[infiniteloop]

Less than a week now!

Episode 1: The Eleventh Hour

Writer: Steven Moffat
Director: Adam Smith

Broadcast date: 3 April 2010 (UK), 17 April 2010 (US & Canada), 18 April 2010 (AUS)

BBC Plot Synopsis:

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The Doctor has regenerated into a brand new man, but danger strikes before he can even recover. With the TARDIS wrecked, and the sonic screwdriver destroyed, the new Doctor has just 20 minutes to save the whole world - and only Amy Pond to help him.

 

[infiniteloop]

Shots of the new TARDIS interior:

http://www.radiotimes.com/content/f...-who-exclusive-look-inside-the-new-tardis/01/

 

[Reno7728]

Shots of the new TARDIS interior:

http://www.radiotimes.com/content/f...-who-exclusive-look-inside-the-new-tardis/01/

Amy Pond in trousers *shakes fist*

 

[Regulus Tera]

The new Radio Times has the title for episode seven:

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Amy's Choice

. The blurb is very enigmatic:

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"It's been five long years since Amy travelled in the Tardis with her mysterious Doctor-and when he shows up again, on the eve of the birth of her first child, danger is not far behind him. Amy is faced with a heartbreaking choice that will change her life forever."

 

[bobs...onGaf]

The new Radio Times has the title for episode seven:

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Amy's Choice

. The blurb is very enigmatic:

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"It's been five long years since Amy travelled in the Tardis with her mysterious Doctor-and when he shows up again, on the eve of the birth of her first child, danger is not far behind him. Amy is faced with a heartbreaking choice that will change her life forever."

What a weird blurb, I wonder how that can be the case.

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I guess its going to e a surreal one off episode rather than part of the main story?

 

[infiniteloop]

It has a brief synopsis of every episode including the finale. It also has a line from the script from each episode. For 12/13 it says:

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"There was a goblin. Or a trickster, or a warrior. A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. Nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it - one day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world."

Referring to the doctor, perhaps?

 

[Regulus Tera]

Here are the quotes for each serial:

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The Eleventh Hour : "Who Da Man!"

The Beast Below: "Nobody talk to me! Nobody human has anything to say to me today!"

Victory Of The Daleks: "I wanted to know what their plan was. I was their plan!"

Time Of Angels/Flesh and Stone: "Is River Song your wife?"

Vampires In Venice: "You know what's dangerous about you? Not that you ask people to take risks, but that you make them want to impress you!"

Amy's Choice: "I know who you are. There's only one person in the universe who hates me as much as you do."

Episodes 8 & 9: "While you've been drilling down... something else has been drilling up"

Episode 10: "Art can wait, this is life and death. We need to talk to Vincent van Gogh!"

Episode 11: "All I have to do is pass as an ordinary human being. What could possibly go wrong?"

Episode 12/13: "There was a goblin. Or a trickster, or a warrior. A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being all the cosmos. Nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it - one day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world."

 

[Blader]

It has a brief synopsis of every episode including the finale. It also has a line from the script from each episode. For 12/13 it says:

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"There was a goblin. Or a trickster, or a warrior. A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. Nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it - one day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world."

Referring to the doctor, perhaps?

Sounds like it.

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Episodes 8 & 9: "While you've been drilling down... something else has been drilling up"

Oh God, I can hear Tenannt's voice when reading that. :lol

 

[Rikyfree]

Just watched the ending of the End of Time again. I don't care what anyone else says, that ending will be my favorite scene of an actor leaving a show EVER.

 

[OgTheClever]

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Episodes 8 & 9: "While you've been drilling down... something else has been drilling up"

I'm getting an Impossible Planet vibe from this one. Anyway, it's my favourite of the quotes.

 

[infiniteloop]

Just watched the ending of the End of Time again. I don't care what anyone else says, that ending will be my favorite scene of an actor leaving a show EVER.

I watched it again over the weekend. The main story is meh, but I find the epilogue and the regeneration terrible. Why is he going to visit everybody again? It makes no sense. Why does the TARDIS explode? Why a choir? And those awful last words.. he's not going anywhere! The best thing about it is that it means RTD can't cock it up anymore :lol

That said Eccleston's regeneration is probably may favourite of the lot.

 

[Blader]

I watched it again over the weekend. The main story is meh, but I find the epilogue and the regeneration terrible. Why is he going to visit everybody again? It makes no sense. Why does the TARDIS explode? Why a choir? And those awful last words.. he's not going anywhere! The best thing about it is that it means RTD can't cock it up anymore :lol

That said Eccleston's regeneration is probably may favourite of the lot.

wtf

"Why a violin? Why a piano?"

 

[infiniteloop]

Why some huge bombastic over-the-top choir? oh hey, it's emotional time now guys!
That whole scene condenses everything bad about the RTD years into one scene. "I'm going now but here's a turd to remember me by!"

 

[Blader]

And for that matter, why do they have a theme song? oh hey, the show is starting now guys!

 

[kaching]

Why is he going to visit everybody again? It makes no sense.

That's tied to this:

And those awful last words.. he's not going anywhere!

That's explained - it's still a death of sorts. He doesn't come back quite the same man, with quite the same personality. Memories may be the same, but the body is new and the personality shifts perceptibly to something different. The Doctor dies to be reborn. So Tennant-Who doesn't want to die, which is hardly an odd sentiment to have.

Before his death, he visits his friends, pays his last regards to them as the Doctor he currently is. Makes sense.

 

[infiniteloop]

He doesn't come back quite the same man, with quite the same personality.

But he's still the same person, physicality changes and personality alters slightly. Having him going round will weepy and crying about "going" flies in the face of the character, the regeneration process and anything established in "classic" Doctor Who.

It's a physical renewal when the body is damaged or "wearing a bit thin".

 

[Raydeen]

I'm sure it will look good when it's lit right...problem is the BBC arn't very good at lighting things. :| That's where the US version was so good, real lighting technicians. :lol

 

[infiniteloop]

Suppsoedly the new TARDIS has a

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library, like McGann's.

 

[Kai Dracon]

That's tied to this:

That's explained - it's still a death of sorts. He doesn't come back quite the same man, with quite the same personality. Memories may be the same, but the body is new and the personality shifts perceptibly to something different. The Doctor dies to be reborn. So Tennant-Who doesn't want to die, which is hardly an odd sentiment to have.

Before his death, he visits his friends, pays his last regards to them as the Doctor he currently is. Makes sense.

It always seemed that the personality of Tennat's doctor was that he grasped life with a vicious and borderline angry passion on the rebound from the 9th doctor's wounded psych that seemed as if it was trying to forget the past. The 10th doctor therefore introduced the new (?) sentiment that regeneration "still feels like dying" - perhaps as the first doctor to actually stop and view it that way.

 

[kaching]

How can you say someone is the same person if their physicality and personality changes? And he's died how many times now? Maybe after dying 11 times or so, never reborn quite as your original self, you might get a little cranky about the process? I'm not really sure what "classic" Who firmly established about how each regeneration after the first *must* be treated, but I have a feeling it's a bit less than you're implying.

It always seemed that the personality of Tennat's doctor was that he grasped life with a vicious and borderline angry passion on the rebound from the 9th doctor's wounded psych that seemed as if it was trying to forget the past. The 10th doctor therefore introduced the new (?) sentiment that regeneration "still feels like dying" - perhaps as the first doctor to actually stop and view it that way.

That, and the Human Nature/Family of Blood story arc strengthens the notion of the personalities buried within the Doctor and how their submersion would feel like death.

 

[Blader]

But he's still the same person, physicality changes and personality alters slightly. Having him going round will weepy and crying about "going" flies in the face of the character, the regeneration process and anything established in "classic" Doctor Who.

It's a physical renewal when the body is damaged or "wearing a bit thin".

"Alters slightly"? I'd say there's more than a slight difference personality between the different Doctors.

That's why regeneration is still like dying--his body and memories may survive, but who the Doctor is right then and there no longer exists. Like John Smith in "Family of Blood": the Doctor still has all of John Smith's memories, but John Smith as a separate persona is gone.

 

[Hot Coldman]

McGann

Heh, I'd love to see a new Two Doctors with McGann and Smith. It'd work well too, what with no-one knowing what the 8th Doctor looked like when he regenerated.

 

[infiniteloop]

And he's died how many times now?

None. His body regenerates. Same person, same memories. Still a thrill seeker who rattles around time and space in a box with some humans. Hartnell was a grumpy bastard but I look at that change as more as character evolution than anything to do with regeneration.

Imagine Tennant and Martha in Tomb of the Cybermen or Davison and Peri doing Family of Blood, you wouldn't have to change the scripts because they're essentially the same character, other than looking different.

 

[kaching]

Ugh, sorry, not died. Regenerated. So who's your favorite Doctor?

 

[mclem]

Why a choir?

The Cloister Bell regenerated.

 

[infiniteloop]

So who's your favorite Doctor?

I only really dislike Colin Baker, I like everybody else. Not too keen on Pertwee though.

Just watched Forest of the dead, absolutely loved watching all the Moffat new Who back to back. Super hyped for this season. Interested to see 11 live up to River Song's hype

 

[bobs...onGaf]

Why some huge bombastic over-the-top choir? oh hey, it's emotional time now guys!
That whole scene condenses everything bad about the RTD years into one scene. "I'm going now but here's a turd to remember me by!"

Trouble is he didnt write that, did he? Hopefully this isnt a sign of things to come. :lol

 

[Regulus Tera]

I only really dislike Colin Baker, I like everybody else. Not too keen on Pertwee though.

waaaat

i mean waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

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He's the only Doctor I would actually consider badarse.

I watched it again over the weekend. The main story is meh, but I find the epilogue and the regeneration terrible. Why is he going to visit everybody again? It makes no sense. Why does the TARDIS explode? Why a choir? And those awful last words.. he's not going anywhere! The best thing about it is that it means RTD can't cock it up anymore :lol

That said Eccleston's regeneration is probably may favourite of the lot.

The bolded is actually Moffat's fault.

 

[Clevinger]

Pertwee was my first. I love him, lisp and all.

 

[G-Fex]

I really liked McGann I remember the fox movie vaguely.

I love on the show Leverage, the tech dude Hartison makes them use aliases of the doctor's names so the main character usually goes under the alias Tom Baker.

 

[Snaku]

Pertwee was my first. I love him, lisp and all.

Mine too. Pertwee is all kinds of bad ass. I hope they go back to having an older actor as the Doctor some day.

 

[Eteric Rice]

None. His body regenerates. Same person, same memories. Still a thrill seeker who rattles around time and space in a box with some humans. Hartnell was a grumpy bastard but I look at that change as more as character evolution than anything to do with regeneration.

Imagine Tennant and Martha in Tomb of the Cybermen or Davison and Peri doing Family of Blood, you wouldn't have to change the scripts because they're essentially the same character, other than looking different.

I always figured he was the same person, but since his body changes the chemicals that determine if you're mad, happy, sad, excited, etc, change... Thus sort of changing his personality.

Still him though.

And STILL not ginger!

 

[border]

None. His body regenerates. Same person, same memories. Still a thrill seeker who rattles around time and space in a box with some humans. Hartnell was a grumpy bastard but I look at that change as more as character evolution than anything to do with regeneration.

At least in the new series Eccleston makes it pretty clear that regeneration does not produce a Doctor that is exactly the same as the last. Looking at some of the old episodes the Doctors still seem pretty different -- Tennant loves humans, whereas some of the other ones seem mostly annoyed and frustrated by them.

 

[infiniteloop]

Tennant loves humans, whereas some of the other ones seem mostly annoyed and frustrated by them.

Hartnell seems quite keen on bashing a caveman's head in with a stone in the first season :lol

 

[maharg]

Tennant's doctor loves humans like people love puppies. I don't think it's actually that far removed from the more blatantly condescending attitudes. All of the doctors seem to cherish life, though. I'd say that's a pretty strong thread running through all of them (at least most of the time).

 

[Mr. Sam]

The blurb is very enigmatic:

Spoiler

"It's been five long years since Amy travelled in the Tardis with her mysterious Doctor-and when he shows up again, on the eve of the birth of her first child, danger is not far behind him. Amy is faced with a heartbreaking choice that will change her life forever."

Sounds like they may be trying a new kind of

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Doctor/Companion dynamic - one that takes advantage of the time travel aspect of the show. Very Girl in the Fireplace.

 

[The Elite]

New Clip from the Eleventh Hour.

 

[Mr. Sam]

One of my acquaintances decided to use the new Tardis interior as his Facebook profile pic. If there was just one thing I didn't want to know, it was that.

"Hey, what's that he's got as his pic? Oh. OH. Damn."

 

[infiniteloop]

New Clip from the Eleventh Hour.

I remember them filming that! They created the

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duck pond

for shooting.

 

[The Elite]

One of my acquaintances decided to use the new Tardis interior as his Facebook profile pic. If there was just one thing I didn't want to know, it was that.

"Hey, what's that he's got as his pic? Oh. OH. Damn."

Oh fuck. That is so wrong. :lol

 

[infiniteloop]

at least you haven't seen it in all it's onscreen splendor. Those RT pics are pretty small.

From Neil Gaiman's twitter:

Great meeting with Moffat & co. Spent 10 mins on how to rewrite the script for next series, 30 on fantasy casting. Ace new title sequence

.