The report from his lawyers the other day said that Christie was "in tears" when he found about the shenanigans his minions were up to. lol.
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The report from his lawyers the other day said that Christie was "in tears" when he found about the shenanigans his minions were up to. lol.
smokeandmirrors
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Tears from laughter, I'm sure.
Since we were talking about race on this page, thoughts on this:
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/maher-tr...aul-ryan-quote-except-michelle-obama-said-it/
False equivalency? Or is it that the liberals are the real racists after all? :O
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/maher-tr...aul-ryan-quote-except-michelle-obama-said-it/
False equivalency? Or is it that the liberals are the real racists after all? :O
YOUR WORDS WILL ONE DAY SPITE YOUR FACE
GOP cutting off their nose to spite their face, lol.
Also smh @ Bruce Braley. I think this will make it purely tossup now because he was leading by a good 6 or 7 points before. He's an idiot for saying that. Not quite as dumb as the 47% tape, but for a Senate race it probably can be just as damaging. Hopefully people forget about it. But the Koch brothers will make sure the state is blanketed with ads containing that quote leading up to the race. He's probably fucked but it is early. The ads will basically generate themselves tho. Too easy. Baw.
And I DO AGREE that Clinton helped Obama a lot. But to say the 47% tape didn't make Romney lose credibility, welp... I disagree. I think that was the other half of the equation along with Obama's campaign (which included Bill when you think about it) that really sunk Romney's chances. I think Mitt knew it too. I watched his Netflix thing, it was pretty cool. Even after the first debate he was not comfortable even though he just got finished kicking Obama's ass. He knew he had his work cut out for him.
What's up with Christie? I know bridgegate is making him look bad, but I can't be the only one getting the impression that the media is letting him get away with bullshitting. Christie's not going to actually get away with this shit, is he? Both he and the media are running around beating their chests over lawyers HIRED BY CHRISTIE. DERP.
benjipwns
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It's more that Paul Ryan = bad, so it really doesn't matter what the actual quote is, they'll argue against it and attack him.
You'd get the same thing pulling it in reverse with say, The Five. I would assume.
EDIT: I'm sure there's a fallacy or cognitive bias name for this, but I can't think of it. Ingroup bias maybe?
Okay, case in point:
www.cnn.com/2014/03/28/politics/christie-snark/
Aren't there more independent lawyers coming forward with their findings soon? I hope so. Someone put Christie to bed before he lies and cheats his way to the nomination. This guy is a shitstain. It has become evident to me that he's building a superteam of brown nosers that will help him do as much lying and cheating as possible.
www.cnn.com/2014/03/28/politics/christie-snark/
Fucking bullshit. He's 'baaaaaaaack' because you feel like saying he is. What part of he hired his own lawyers to clear his name does not sound shady to you, CNN?
Aren't there more independent lawyers coming forward with their findings soon? I hope so. Someone put Christie to bed before he lies and cheats his way to the nomination. This guy is a shitstain. It has become evident to me that he's building a superteam of brown nosers that will help him do as much lying and cheating as possible.
I stopped following TPM a few weeks ago and have had a hole in my political reading as well. I don't think there is a good 1:1 replacement for what TPM used to be, hoping some of the suggestions at least fill some of the void. I deleted my bookmarks before the sponsored content, but reading the post about it just now...I'm kind of stunned. Their decline has been notable in recent months but editorial content drafted by PhRMA? It's diametrically opposed to what TPM used to be about.
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thepotatoman
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I remember a lot of posts here specifically talking about criticisms of Barack Obama and his black culture language right after the Paul Ryan statements came out.
Anyhow, it's unsurprising there would be a lot of Obamabots in the liberal side of the media, but it is still interesting how so little focus was put on both Obamas for statements like those when they were first made. I have to give a shout out to the Citizen Radio podcast for both covering those statements and criticizing the Obamas right when they first said those things. (People should check it out. Its a lot like the Giant Bombcast in that it's 50% jokes and side tangents and has a lot of inaccuracies, but great in opinions and news selection and overall entertainment value)
Personally, it's statements like that which are the biggest reason I don't like people like Paul Ryan, and a big example of why I'm disappointed in Obama.
NYCmetsfan
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As ghaleon said there's not a 1 to 1 replacement. But weigels blog along with the new republic are good (Brian beutler is moving there).
People hate when I say this but I really feel like having a curated twitter feed is the best solution. Following writers is the best solution.
If I remember in the morning I can post the writers I like and what they do a good job covering.
Aaron Strife
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Meh. He'll still win. I'd put an avatar bet on it if I didn't already have one with PD
that I'll lose
benjipwns
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Nope, he's really done it now, he wishes he could have the problems of Todd Akin after this:
The Librarian
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Vox.com when that gets up and running. Sarah Kliff recently went to Vermont to look at the single-payer efforts there, so I'm really looking forward to her article when that's put up. Otherwise, follow reporters on Twitter (I can give you a list if you want). TNR is usually pretty great.
You know, I was thinking about shooting Josh an email about why I've been visiting TPM less and less...I think I'll still do it, but I don't think it'll do any good.
Haha, which bet is that?
I'm not so sure. He had a lot of momentum after the first debate but it was padded in between crashing and burning after the 47% remarks and Obama kicking his ass the second and third time around. The tape was a glimpse into the real Mitt Romney and it basically defined his character.
btw, his "Mitt" documentary was good. But I think especially after the 47% tape it is worth noting that this man is used to faking it on camera. It just goes to show you that he is a real life Mr. Burns when he thinks the cameras have stopped rolling.
PhoenixDark
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I can't link now but TPM had a story yesterday about the RNC forcing an apology out of an Ebony magazine editor for stupid racial comments on twitter. The first paragraph of the article noted such network aggression/concern trolling has become the RNC's "bread and butter." So I read the rest of the article expecting multiple examples to justify such a charge but it only featured one (the msnbc Cheerios fiasco).
It struck me as another case of lazy click bait journalism. Whether you believe the RNC's "bread and butter" is forcing network news to apologize for alleged sleights or not, you'd probably expect the article to make its case with more than one example.
It has always been a " liberal" site but it's becoming more of a petty "negative GOP news" rag, almost like an MSNBC take on web journalism. The obsessive Christie coverage really seems like it was the beginning of the end. Also very little of the Christie coverage was original, there were multiple stories built off other news programs ("check out this interesting theory Maddow has!"). Now the only exclusive stories are Sahil's "Why X Should Be Worried About Y." No thanks.
It struck me as another case of lazy click bait journalism. Whether you believe the RNC's "bread and butter" is forcing network news to apologize for alleged sleights or not, you'd probably expect the article to make its case with more than one example.
It has always been a " liberal" site but it's becoming more of a petty "negative GOP news" rag, almost like an MSNBC take on web journalism. The obsessive Christie coverage really seems like it was the beginning of the end. Also very little of the Christie coverage was original, there were multiple stories built off other news programs ("check out this interesting theory Maddow has!"). Now the only exclusive stories are Sahil's "Why X Should Be Worried About Y." No thanks.
empty vessel
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Context matters. Michelle Obama's exhortation made directly to an African-American audience that college education should be pursued and too many African-Americans fantasize about being celebrities rather than becoming teachers is not racist. In this context, it's basically old-person-laments-young-generation. It's kind of a vacuous thing to say, but not racist.
As well, the reason that somebody says something matters. Paul Ryan said what he said to generate political support by appealing to white people who think black people are lazy. This increases divisiveness in the society for his personal gain. Michelle Obama expressed a sincere concern about too few (middle class) African-American youth pursuing college careers because they dream of being a celebrity instead.
The statements really aren't in the same universe. Maher instead should have used a quote from Obama speaking to the entire nation about how black people too often demand government handouts.
Aaron Strife
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Democrats winning the House, it was someone else's bet but I inherited it.
NYCmetsfan
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"Let's go with another Bush" - GOP
Do Republicans seriously think because he has a Hispanic wife and speaks Spanish he will win votes as the head of a party which has killed immigration reform time and time again?
Me alegro que pueda traducir "auto deportación" en español.
Do Republicans seriously think because he has a Hispanic wife and speaks Spanish he will win votes as the head of a party which has killed immigration reform time and time again?
Joe Molotov
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Yes.
PhoenixDark
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Jeb Bush is a formidable candidate. Luckily the base hates him, and he'll be pulled to the far fight by Paul/Cruz/etc.
Avon Barksdale
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His last name is Bush. That's enough reason why he won't get the nomination.
Aaron Strife
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I think Bush would do fine in a primary (but he'd run into the same problems McCain and Romney had that forced them to move uncomfortably right on many issues) but he'd be dead weight in the general election for one reason - he's George Bush's brother.
Especially if Clinton were the Dem nominee, at which point it'd become a proxy battle between the 8 Clinton years and the 8 Bush years. Clinton would win that every time. Anti-Bush rhetoric has softened because he hasn't been a force in politics, you can be sure Democrats would rouse up their base against a return to that, whereas Bill Clinton's scandals were never even problematic while they were happening.
Btw ACA Signups is projecting 6.72 million QHPs by 3/31! And it's been going up every day! With the extension we'll probably see the 7 million goal reached.
Especially if Clinton were the Dem nominee, at which point it'd become a proxy battle between the 8 Clinton years and the 8 Bush years. Clinton would win that every time. Anti-Bush rhetoric has softened because he hasn't been a force in politics, you can be sure Democrats would rouse up their base against a return to that, whereas Bill Clinton's scandals were never even problematic while they were happening.
Btw ACA Signups is projecting 6.72 million QHPs by 3/31! And it's been going up every day! With the extension we'll probably see the 7 million goal reached.
NYCmetsfan
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Bush's biggest problem is how easy it is going to be to tie him to his brother.
For immigration reform? So was his brother
For lower taxes? So was his brother
Against recognition of Gay Marriage? So was his brother
Pro Foreign Intervention? So was his brother
For education reform? So was his brother
There's literally nothing different and it will be so easy to quickly make an ad with the same words coming out of his brothers mouth (imagine how effective this will be). There's this idea he's more reasonable or moderate but they said the same thing about Bush Jr. The GOP and Bush would run on the same ideas because they have no new ones (besides maybe twisting religious liberty into the right to discriminate and privatizing schools). Who does he pick off? Where does he help the GOP? This idea they need to moderate is pretty much them saying we need to leave the tea party and go back to Bush.
People want the clinton years back. The more effective route for the GOP is to tie her to Obama but that runs into two problems A) the people you need to win over like minorities support the President and B) she wasn't here advocating policy, she was flying around the world.
For immigration reform? So was his brother
For lower taxes? So was his brother
Against recognition of Gay Marriage? So was his brother
Pro Foreign Intervention? So was his brother
For education reform? So was his brother
There's literally nothing different and it will be so easy to quickly make an ad with the same words coming out of his brothers mouth (imagine how effective this will be). There's this idea he's more reasonable or moderate but they said the same thing about Bush Jr. The GOP and Bush would run on the same ideas because they have no new ones (besides maybe twisting religious liberty into the right to discriminate and privatizing schools). Who does he pick off? Where does he help the GOP? This idea they need to moderate is pretty much them saying we need to leave the tea party and go back to Bush.
People want the clinton years back. The more effective route for the GOP is to tie her to Obama but that runs into two problems A) the people you need to win over like minorities support the President and B) she wasn't here advocating policy, she was flying around the world.
adamsappel
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I remember my conservative friends emailing around "Quotes from Al Gore's Inconvenient Truth or Unibomber Manifesto?"
This is Calvin Coolidge dressing up like a farmer to get votes. He got flak for not changing out of his dress shoes.
Because he hasn't been around. He's still blamed for the economy.
A Hilary vs Jeb showdown will be a about the Bush years vs the Clinton years. Which would you rather have?
How can the GOP win such a fight? They can try to use gender and age, but can they really do that without pissing off female voters? Also, if they're going to attack Hilary on age, then you can easily counter that by showing how the GOP nominated McCain without any reservations. Also, their god Reagan was of similar age when he came into office. How will they answer that?
How can the GOP win such a fight? They can try to use gender and age, but can they really do that without pissing off female voters? Also, if they're going to attack Hilary on age, then you can easily counter that by showing how the GOP nominated McCain without any reservations. Also, their god Reagan was of similar age when he came into office. How will they answer that?
The same way they respond to all demonstrations of irrationality or hypocrisy - by ignoring it completely.
Which never really went well during a presidential election.
The true battle of 2016, as predicted by soothsayer Dick Morris, in 2005.
Sorry Jeb.
Who did he think would take 2008 in that book? I'm just curious.
Yeah, it seems to be a fairly terrible strategy for them on almost all subjects bar religion.
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thepotatoman
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Well right now it would seem petty to remind everyone how terrible Bush was and so time has healed some wounds, but believe me, it will be pretty easy to reopen those wounds given an opportunity like Jeb running for president. Even if that's not the case, your link still puts him at the lowest of all ex-presidents by a large margin.
You complain about the republicans and overall population being such doves lately, but that's 100% because Bush was so terrible on foreign policy by starting the war in Iraq over false pretenses and never presenting a reasonable, discernible end game. And yes, on the ever important economic front, Bush is still seen as responsible.
Jeb Bush would have to decide to either run around in circles distancing himself from W. while defending W.'s policies, try to distance himself by changing his policies and having to deal with being called a flip flopper, or defend his brother and open himself to economic and foreign policy attacks. None of those are great options for him.
NYCmetsfan
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That was his predicted 2008 race...
I mean who doubts dick morris? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5Pa9YvAqLs
Aaron Strife
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I like how Romney winning 325 EVs is a "landslide" but Obama winning 332 is a squeaker!
I fucking hate the media so much
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thepotatoman
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He said Hilary would win unless Rice, Giuliani, or McCain won the republican nomination.
Well, I guess he was technically right then. The best kind of being right.
Joe Molotov
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286 EVs is a mandate.
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thepotatoman
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So apparently if it wasn't for Hurricane Sandy, Republicans could have Bengahzied their way into the presidency.
Lucky for us I guess...
NYCmetsfan
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So much trolling
Also if Christie isn't damaged enough he refered to the occupied territories as the occupied territories in a speech today. BTW it was a Sheldon Aldelson event
benjipwns
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And look at him now, his political career is dead. Over with. Finished.This is Calvin Coolidge dressing up like a farmer to get votes. He got flak for not changing out of his dress shoes.
Joe Molotov
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The Farmer's Union is too strong for any pol to go against and expect to survive.
RustyNails
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I would save this page somehow. Not long before the post gets deleted.
reggieandTFE
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He was also mean to teachers and their unions. As the husband of a teacher' in Chicago, I can honestly say the media loves nothing more than hating teachers and pushing corporate education reform.
He makes their job easy. Just point a camera at him and go; the right loves it because he 'doesn't take shit from the liberal media' and the left loves it because he's practically a caricature of their idea of a "corrupt conservative politician".
Eh, he may be dead but he has his fans. When I named my son Calvin my uncle excitedly asked if what was after Coolidge. "He was on of the last great conservative presidents!"
... "And Reagan!"
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