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[Aaron Strife]

I think poor people wouldn't want Bill in the White House. Since he royally fucked them last time.

Do you think the average American cares about stuff like NAFTA? They're more likely to look at sub-4% unemployment and think "Yeah that guy was pretty good!"

Plus any negative fallout of Clinton's policies helpfully waited until the Bush administration so he gets the blame. Except for that mild recession in 2000 I suppose.

If I had to guess I would say poor people love Bill. As far as campaigning he'll be Team Hillary's greatest asset.

 

[dramatis]

Top Bernie Sanders Aide Rankles Those In and Out of Campaign [NYT]

Bill Clinton has privately told friends he was astonished by the Sanders’ team’s handling of the data breach, and that it risked depicting the Vermont senator as a typical politician and not the political outsider he is seen to be.

Mr. Sanders’ aides were genuinely incensed when Mrs. Clinton invoked sexism after Mr. Sanders spoke generally about people “shouting” on the issue of gun control, and believed she was twisting his words.

But the question of sexist language came back to haunt the Sanders campaign internally after the first debate, when Mr. Weaver appeared to be condescending toward Mrs. Clinton in an October interview with Bloomberg Politics.

The blowback outside the campaign was fierce. But there was also blowback within the Sanders campaign as well, as some aides said the language crossed a line.
[...]
The Sanders campaign’s New Hampshire state director, Julia Barnes, asked Mr. Weaver to apologize for the comments, and voiced her displeasure to him in clear terms. He never did, telling unhappy staffers on a conference call after the report aired that their team needed to be mindful that the Clinton campaign was about to unleash attacks on Mr. Sanders, according to three people with direct knowledge of the episode.

As for the Sanders campaign’s approach to the party committee, people briefed on the flap about the number of debates believe that Mr. Sanders has fed on outrage against the D.N.C. that was created by others, not his own team, in efforts to deal with the data issue. These people described Mr. Sanders’ team as decidedly less emphatic in private discussions about having more primary debates than they have been in public, realizing that debates are not his strength.

I remember back then the hype around Bernie's amazing debate skills.

 

[NeoXChaos]

Ohio is the only state that has voted for the winning Presidential candidate in each election since 1964, and in 33 of the 37 held since the Civil War. No Republican has ever won the presidency without winning Ohio.

What a record. Wow.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio
http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/history-in-red-and-blue-and-green-and-purple/

 

[Lucky Forward]

Lol.

Yep. It's going to be hilarious watching him attempt to crack Hillary next year if he's the nominee.

Especially when he has statements like this in his past:

Trump in 2008: Hillary Clinton would make a "great" president

Buzzfeed unearthed an archived webpage of the blog post posted on www.trumpuniversity.com from March 2008 when he said the Democratic presidential nomination was still far from decided.

"Hillary Clinton said she'd consider naming Barack Obama as her vice-president when she gets the nomination, but she's nowhere near a shoo-in. For his part, Obama said he's just focused on winning the nomination, although at least one member of his team said Clinton would make a good vice-president. (I know Hillary and I think she'd make a great president or vice-president.)," Trump wrote.

 

[Retromelon]

If I had to guess I would say poor people love Bill. As far as campaigning he'll be Team Hillary's greatest asset.

 

[Subtle]

Any must read books on modern politics?

 

[User 463088]

adam387 identified

Only one person showed up at an O'Malley event

Not me. I have to be at least 300 feet from O'Malley at all times. If I was that close, my future Commander in Chief

Spoiler

Queef?

would need to show me those abs for freedom. And Jesus.

What a record. Wow.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio
http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/history-in-red-and-blue-and-green-and-purple/

Yes, we're good at something! Suck it Michigan! O-H-I-O!

 

[Cerium]

Any must read books on modern politics?

The Game Change books are great entertainment.

 

[User 463088]

Any must read books on modern politics?

If you want to get a good idea of where Trump stands on the important issues facing our time, I'd recommend Mein Kampf. Just replace "Jew" with "Muslim" and you'd get a pretty good idea of where he is on things.

 

[B-Dubs]

The Game Change books are great entertainment.

If you do read it try and spot PD, apparently he was interviewed for them. You can make a game out of it.

 

[Tarkus]

Any must read books on modern politics?

 

[QuiteWhittle]

like maps?

http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/history-in-red-and-blue-and-green-and-purple/

I wonder if partisan identity will ever be low enough for huge 49-state landslides to occur again.

 

[GnawtyDog]

Didn't he drop the "our job is to deny Obama a second term" bomb?

He's only interested in governing by comparison to the hardcore loonies the Republicans have been electing lately.

About to say. Feel nothing for Mitch. He can literally _____ in _____ .

 

[User 463088]

Since I'm all partisan anyway, I would recommend "Hard Choices" by Hillary. It was a good book, especially if you're into foreign policy wonkiness. Warren's book is good too, "A Fighting Chance." I've only read a few pages of it though.

 

[PhoenixDark]

I can't imagine a Hillary Clinton book on foreign policy being good on any level, given her record.

 

[Wilsongt]

I can't imagine a Hillary Clinton book on foreign policy being good on any level, given her record.

I am still waiting for your next chapter of Hillary x Obama: Passion at 1600.

 

[GnawtyDog]

I remember back then the hype around Bernie's amazing debate skills.

Reddit sold me on this:

What I got was...

Good hype no doubt...http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-sanders-idUSKCN0RZ0VI20151005

 

[Tarkus]

^ that cute puppy doesn't look like it always needs to take a big dump.

 

[User 463088]

I can't imagine a Hillary Clinton book on foreign policy being good on any level, given her record.

Aww, you tryin to come for me.... It's actually a good read, irrespective of how you feel about her. It gives you a good look into how she approaches situations.

I preferred "Living History," especially if you don't really know much about Hillary the person.

 

[User 463088]

^ that cute puppy doesn't look like it always needs to take a big dump.

It's also not screaming at me.

 

[Cerium]

Hillary won't be truly candid in her books until after she retires, for obvious reasons.

What we want from her writing: Juicy details about her relationships with 42 and 44.

What we get from her writing: Dry sanitized policy stuff.

 

[User 463088]

Hillary won't be truly candid in her books until after she retires, for obvious reasons.

What we want from her writing: Juicy details about her relationships with 42 and 44.

What we get from her writing: Dry sanitized policy stuff.

That's my fetish!

I agree. SHe's not stupid and won't be entirely open on things while she's in the public eye. I still think "Living History" was an interesting read.

And if anyone writes a Obama x Hillary, and they refuse to use the word "scholog" I would be disappoint.'

Also, the DCCC is sending me the super scary emails earlier than usual this cycle.

 

[SL128]

What a record. Wow.

Ohio is the only state that has voted for the winning Presidential candidate in each election since 1964, and in 33 of the 37 held since the Civil War. No Republican has ever won the presidency without winning Ohio.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio
http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/history-in-red-and-blue-and-green-and-purple/

The same is also true of Wisconsin for the Democrats.

Edit: Nevermind, WI apparently went to Nixon in '60, Dewey in '44, Hughes in '16, Blain in 1884, and Frémont in 1856. I can't remember where I heard that, but they were dumb.

Any must read books on modern politics?

 

[Mrs. Manky]

What a record. Wow.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio
http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/history-in-red-and-blue-and-green-and-purple/

It doesn't hurt that not only has Ohio sent 8 men to the White House as President, 7 of those 8 were Republican (the 8th one was a Whig).

Ohio: we give you Presidents and Astronauts.

 

[benjipwns]

Any must read books on modern politics?

This is like asking "any must read books on modern sports?"

In any case, the only book anyone needs to read is:
The Problem of Political Authority: An Examination of the Right to Coerce and the Duty to Obey by Michael Huemer

Here's some that aren't dry as fuck:
This Town: Two Parties and a Funeral-Plus, Plenty of Valet Parking!-in America's Gilded Capital by Mark Leibovich
Citizens of the Green Room: Profiles in Courage and Self-Delusion by Mark Leibovich

The Great Derangement: A Terrifying True Story of War, Politics & Religion at the Twilight of the American Empire by Matt Taibbi
Griftopia: Bubble Machines, Vampire Squids, and the Long Con That Is Breaking America by Matt Taibbi
The Divide: American Injustice in the Age of the Wealth Gap by Matt Taibbi

 

[PhoenixDark]

Any must read books on modern politics?

A Game Of Thrones.

 

[benjipwns]

Ohio: we give you Presidents and Astronauts.

But not both, sorry John Glenn.

 

[HylianTom]

Welp, my excuses to sing Pataki to the tune of Shipoopi are running out.

Bye, George.

 

[adamsappel]

Who rolls up their sleeves, but doesn't loosen their tie? This is Calvin Coolidge's wingtips level of fakery.

 

[Raptor2155]

I thought Pataki was gonna be the next one out. I am really enjoying seeing people drop out. Once we get higher up the food chain, it should get more entertaining.

How the fuck is Gilmore still in this?

 

[benjipwns]

How the fuck is Gilmore still in this?

If Jim Gilmore drops out of a Presidential race and nobody is around to hear him does it make a sound?

 

[NeoXChaos]

Welp, my excuses to sing Pataki to the tune of Shipoopi are running out.

Bye, George.

so Tom how excited are you about a week from monday?

 

[Iolo]

Welp, my excuses to sing Pataki to the tune of Shipoopi are running out.

Bye, George.

Reminder, with Pataki out, Christie is now the most moderate AND establishment candidate according to 538. And yet, we are supposed to believe he has a serious chance.

 

[HylianTom]

so Tom how excited are you about a week from monday?

I am psyched. New Orleans will finally have a say in the governing process in Louisiana again, instead of being a muted piggy bank for the rest of the state.

(Bonus: another wave of salt. So delicious. Mmm. I'm gonna need a heart monitor.)

 

[NeoXChaos]

I am psyched. New Orleans will finally have a say in the governing process in Louisiana again, instead of being a muted piggy bank for the rest of the state.

(Bonus: another wave of salt. So delicious. Mmm. I'm gonna need a heart monitor.)

You probably have not felt this excited since Bush left office and the Obama reelect. Extra salt for Vitter leaving too.

 

[NihonTiger90]

PoliGAF 2015-2016 |OT3| If someone named Pataki leaves your primary, call ... wait, who?

 

[RustyNails]

How come no one mentioned the communist manifesto on books to read yet? Benji slacking.

 

[User 463088]

How come no one mentioned the communist manifesto on books to read yet? Benji slacking.

I can't recommend something by Bernie Sanders until the primary season is over.

 

[benjipwns]

How come no one mentioned the communist manifesto on books to read yet? Benji slacking.

It's really more of a pamphlet.

 

[User 406]

I'll be reading this one next:

 

[HylianTom]

You probably have not felt this excited since Bush left office and the Obama reelect. Extra salt for Vitter leaving too.

Those are pretty much the two big political days, along with the Obergefell ruling.

Now that I think of it, I need to file for time off at work for politics events. Taking off the day after Iowa and the day after New Hampshire (NH falls on Mardi Gras day, so I'll have to come home early from the festivities to enjoy the returns. That'll be a biggie.)

..

Meanwhile, Trump continues to get tons of free coverage on TV. He snaps his fingers, and two of the three cable news networks jump to put him on during the sweet prime time viewing window. The man is damn good at manipulating them. Daaaamn good.

 

[kingkitty]

Welp, my excuses to sing Pataki to the tune of Shipoopi are running out.

Bye, George.

 

[VanMardigan]

Reminder, with Pataki out, Christie is now the most moderate AND establishment candidate according to 538. And yet, we are supposed to believe he has a serious chance.

Man, Perry was sitting in the primary sweet spot, hitting all the right notes. That "oops" moment changed republican history.

 

[RustyNails]

Those are pretty much the two big political days, along with the Obergefell ruling.

Now that I think of it, I need to file for time off at work for politics events. Taking off the day after Iowa and the day after New Hampshire (NH falls on Mardi Gras day, so I'll have to come home early from the festivities to enjoy the returns. That'll be a biggie.)

..

Meanwhile, Trump continues to get tons of free coverage on TV. He snaps his fingers, and two of the three cable news networks jump to put him on during the sweet prime time viewing window. The man is damn good at manipulating them. Daaaamn good.

Trump embodies those CEO images on facebook where they say corny pop quotes like "Act like the person you want to be instead of trying" or "If you start acting like a CEO you will become one".

Trump acts like the frontrunner and gets treated lile one.

 

[B-Dubs]

Those are pretty much the two big political days, along with the Obergefell ruling.

Now that I think of it, I need to file for time off at work for politics events. Taking off the day after Iowa and the day after New Hampshire (NH falls on Mardi Gras day, so I'll have to come home early from the festivities to enjoy the returns. That'll be a biggie.)

..

Meanwhile, Trump continues to get tons of free coverage on TV. He snaps his fingers, and two of the three cable news networks jump to put him on during the sweet prime time viewing window. The man is damn good at manipulating them. Daaaamn good.

There hasn't been a politician as good at playing the press since Reagan, the stories some of the older reporters who covered him at the time tell sound a lot like the ones who have written about Trump tell.

Also, he's just announced a huge ad buy in the early states. He said he's like 35 million under budget right now and is going for a blitz.

 

[User1608]

Thank God demographics work against Trump pretty severely.

 

[Hexa]

Trump rally in Council Bluffs, Iowa in about 10 minutes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WLmryXIttE

Looks like he's picking up on the number of events in addition to TV ads. Hope that helps him pull through in Iowa.

 

[Roland_Gunner]

Thank God demographics work against Trump pretty severely.

Trump has high negatives among:

All minority groups
Women
College educated men

Basically he only has a chance in the Republican primary because the party is so dominated by white people and the college educated are being split several ways.

 

[Holmes]

Council Bluffs is a pretty Democratic city. TRUMP needs to focus on the northwest so he can keep Cruz's numbers down.

 

[benjipwns]

McCain's entire STRAIGHT TALK MAVERICK schtick came about because he didn't banish the press to the fringes of his campaign bus so they could all mutually masturbate.