I thought you said you wouldn't vote Hillary if she beats Bernie just a few months back? I am glad this is no longer the case because we need every vote to stop the GOp but I am curious, what changed?
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What changed this year? I mean if Sanders loses the nomination?
Brawndo Addict
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The problem has never been Bernie, it's been his supporters who have taken his campaign as a socio-political panacea. It's easy to just get behind the "it" presidential candidate every 8 years and complain that your opponents have single handedly stifled the revolution; it's much harder to actually do the work necessary to change society at a local and state level.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Also a new Cant Stump The Trump 11 mixtape got released, hit the streets just recently
Everyone loves those, the more horns you got in your video = better.
The Star Wars shit at the end went a tad too long, but still good!
It's amazing the creator has seemingly learned nothing about audio equalizing after making so many videos.
User 463088
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I don't drink often, but I've already procured a bottle of port for March 1st.
what changed all of a sudden? Couple months ago you were frothing at Cheebo and I for the mere thought of supporting hillary:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1073924
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I thought you were taking the day or week off?
Has anyone else noticed that the age group that is #FeelingTheBern has been expanding, at an exponential rate (that WSJ poll had to reference those 50+)? It probably won't be long before it's the average age of Fox News viewers (68+) 
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When I see women all around me, at our local Bernie storefront (we had a guy in an expensive looking Merc make a $20+ donation to our store fund ), it amuses me when you guys do your very best to try and show that women just can't help but support Hillary (just don't mention lads, that the majority (not Adam's family ) of the nurses of the National Nurses United union, who are 90% women, endorsed Bernie).
.When I see women all around me, at our local Bernie storefront (we had a guy in an expensive looking Merc make a $20+ donation to our store fund
), it amuses me when you guys do your very best to try and show that women just can't help but support Hillary (just don't mention lads, that the majority (not Adam's family ) of the nurses of the National Nurses United union, who are 90% women, endorsed Bernie).I already have that Tuesday and Wednesday off.
I'm letting my vacation time build-up for later in the year (a few days off for E3, a week off for Zelda and/or NX, a week off for Election Day, the days after every GE debate, the days after major convention speeches, some travel time to work the campaign in Florida, etc).
ItWasMeantToBe19
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It's amazing how incoherent and technical Rubio made Cruz's tax plan considering how long he's had to prepare for this.
Simple diss: "Cruz says his tax plan isn't a VAT, but Japan has the exact tax system Ted proposes and you know what the Japanese call it: A VAT! When politicians aren't running for office, they tend to tell the truth a bit more so I trust Japan's judgment more than Cruz's in this case. A VAT is basically a sales tax. So, if you're on fixed income, Cruz is going to make $100 worth of groceries cost $119 for you, just so he can cut the taxes of his wife's friends at Goldman Sachs."
Simple diss: "Cruz says his tax plan isn't a VAT, but Japan has the exact tax system Ted proposes and you know what the Japanese call it: A VAT! When politicians aren't running for office, they tend to tell the truth a bit more so I trust Japan's judgment more than Cruz's in this case. A VAT is basically a sales tax. So, if you're on fixed income, Cruz is going to make $100 worth of groceries cost $119 for you, just so he can cut the taxes of his wife's friends at Goldman Sachs."
Also a new Cant Stump The Trump 11 mixtape got released, hit the streets just recently
Everyone loves those, the more horns you got in your video = better.
The Star Wars shit at the end went a tad too long, but still good!
I always lose it at The Rains of Castamere.
I would love to here PoliGAF's predictions on this: will Trump's attacks be enough to take down Cruz? Will Trump beat Cruz in Iowa?
this post needs more attention:
trump is getting republicans to show their true color
eta for the next thread about how republicans don't actually support anything the republican frontrunners are saying and how it is offensive to suggest that republicans might have views similar to their candidates of choice?
it seems that they exist in a superpositional state between knowing and not knowing what their candidates believe and support
trump is getting republicans to show their true color
eta for the next thread about how republicans don't actually support anything the republican frontrunners are saying and how it is offensive to suggest that republicans might have views similar to their candidates of choice?
it seems that they exist in a superpositional state between knowing and not knowing what their candidates believe and support
ItWasMeantToBe19
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The NYTimes reporter actually retracted that statement:
Uhh, still not good, but entirely consistent with what he's said before and not another step beyond the pale.
Uhh, still not good, but entirely consistent with what he's said before and not another step beyond the pale.
User 463088
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Trump's camp: We're only like 95% racist not full on racist.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Rubio could make headway if he proposed internment camps for American Muslims I think.
That Republican cat is going to be dead when the box is opened this November.
Time to start looking for a new cat, Republicans.
Well phew!!
Which one, the one you started? I would've told you not to make it had I seen your post in time.
User 463088
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I got past the throw up stage a while go. I settled into pure on rage regarding a specific post, and now have started drinking. Sweet, sweet alcohol. It understands me. It knows me. It loves me.
Veritigo_X
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lol you knew this would happen. Especially with that title.
Who do you think is responsible for top down political thinking?
even now, they love that plausible deniability, don't they
my ability to provide charity to their answers is rapidly diminishing more and more, especially after "ban all people [who look] muslim from entering the nation" has gone from being the most absurd parody of a republican statement you could suggest to the genuine policy suggestion that solidified the republican frontrunner's lead
and they STILL say that republicans are being misrepresented - because they only want a "temporary" ban (indefinitely, until further notice)
so that's what cnn means whenever they say the race is "dead heat"
it means the cat has been dead for months, but no one has had the guts to check
Aaron Strife
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Trump supporters be like
"I like Trump because he isn't subject to any political pressures! He says what's on his mind and tells it like it is!"
Then you're all
"Well what about his discriminatory, borderline fascist policies or statements regarding Muslims, Mexicans, blacks, Asians, women, Jews etc."
Thennnn it's all
"TRUMP DOESN'T SUPPORT THOSE THINGS HE'S JUST SAYING THAT TO GET ELECTED JEEZ PC POLICE OVER HERE"
Coriolanus
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Heh.
what happens if we complete the circuit and innocently tell them that having to supposedly "pretend" to support racism to get elected [read: actually be racist] is the absolute strongest and most relevant "political pressure" there is in the republican party and by extension america these days?...
Brawndo Addict
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Politics doesn't start at the top, it grows from the bottom up. The Tea Party is your classic (modern) example. Local grassroots effort from ordinary people across the country, affecting drastic change all the way from city councils to state governorships.
If people want socialism in America then they need to start with their neighborhood, not the Presidency. That's how Bernie got started after all, but you don't see that getting replicated because it's not easy or fulfilling work. People want the easy sense of satisfaction that comes from casual support for a national campaign from a frontier candidate, you saw the same thing with Ron Paul.
It's easy to support someone nationally after other people have done the real work locally. Bernie doesn't need your help now, he's already made it. What he needs is people who act as committed to socialism as they claim, people who are willing to volunteer and fight to get their local Bernies elected (see Seattle electing Kshama Sawant to their city council).
User 463088
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Is there going to be a thread for tonight? Did I miss it?
It's already made.
And_Gignac
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It is impossible -- the persecution complex runs deep within them. Thats why Sanders should win the nomination, though. I think he can deflect a lot of voters from Trump. The fervor he (Trump) creates with his base is extremely scary and Dems should be worried about turnout with a tepid, intellectual candidate like Clinton.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=13hoursthesecretsoldiersofbenghazi.htm
Looks like the American people have spoken, and they're just fine with Hillary murdering Amb. Stevens.
Looks like the American people have spoken, and they're just fine with Hillary murdering Amb. Stevens.
User 463088
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You think Sanders should win the nomination because a small group of petulant children are going to hold their breath if they don't get their way?
Man, I tried that type of shit when I was 3 and it turned out about as well as you'd expect.
The "I'll go Trump if not for Bernie" people probably have never vote in their lives anyway. It's a net change of zero. Probably wouldn't even get out there for Bernie.
Frank the Great
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This Democratic primary is the fucking worst, I just want it to end. I don't care how.
RastaMentality
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They're all the same. Why does anyone still make poll threads? Just wait until IA
Yellowtail
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Bernie's released his healthcare plan:
https://berniesanders.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Medicare-for-All.pdf
https://berniesanders.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Medicare-for-All.pdf
Coriolanus
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To be fair, failing to appease them to some some degree did have a hand in ensuring 8 years of W., so they shouldnt be completely disregarded.
To be extra-fair, i do think that hills might as well not bother, since she has such unusual proeminence that their opinions about her are most likely set in stone. Local races tho.
Thus the importance of having a party working locally to teach people the sad realities of the US political process and foment participation and stuff
Basileus777
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It's a dark cycle. Pro-Bernie polls get a thread, people get mad at how they turn out, then post a pro-Hillary poll thread and get mad when that also turns to shit.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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It's a good plan, but it's dead on arrival politically. Hopefully something like this can be passed in 15 years.
He may not have meant it as antisemetic, but it's been used that way a lot in the past.
Roland_Gunner
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Sanders plan doesn't say anything about imposing cost controls on doctors and hospitals so its completely unworkable without new taxes on the middle class.
User 463088
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So, I read it. It's a hell of a lot better than his 2013 give it to the state's plan, that's for sure. It's not going to go anywhere, because the tax rake heights would be DOA.
However, I'm confused....
So, all of this is at 0 out of pocket costs to everyone? Even with Medicare, seniors are still responsible for 20%. So, that's going to go away and everyone gets everything they need for free? How will that work with reimbursements, then. Everything will only be paid at the Medicare approved amount, and doctors have to accept that...or just not see any patients. Hospitals too, I guess. That seems a little unrealistic, but I guess that's just the way it is.
I'm not seeing the connections tbh. Are you saying socialists are inherently lazy and the tea party isn't? I'd also think it would be better to compare the sctructure of the tea party first (funding/organization) before claiming Bernie supporters don't understand X about politics.
disastermouse
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No, I won't vote for Hillary. My head explodes because the difference between Sanders and Trump is so large that having either one as a second candidate behind the other is crazypants.
If Hillary is the nominee, I'll vote for Jill Stein.
An hour before the debate is kinda shady IMO.
Manmademan
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Let's be honest- no one is watching this debate that doesn't know the outcome already
Retromelon
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hillary has -a lot- of workable policies. But people don't want incremental change when they vote. They want to change the world.
It's difficult to be enthusiastic about this dispassionate establishment figurehead, despite how realistic and sound a choice on paper she is..she probably wont do a damn thing about the national spyware agency either
It's difficult to be enthusiastic about this dispassionate establishment figurehead, despite how realistic and sound a choice on paper she is..she probably wont do a damn thing about the national spyware agency either
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