You got it backwards. I cashed out a little above 50% because Hillary election is absurdly undervalued at 43.
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PoliGAF 2015-2016 |OT3| If someone named PhoenixDark leaves your party, call the cops
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https://www.predictit.org/Market/1234/Who-will-win-the-2016-US-presidential-election
neurosisxeno
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That's because they can't read.
Jack Remington
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You ever want to feel so dirty that a 12 hour shower couldn't get you clean? Read some National Review Online comments sections. Good god, those people are bottom-feeders.
Black Mamba
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You know how there's at least a handful of Bernie supporters out there who say Trump is their #2 guy. Sure, most of us agree that makes little sense.
However, has anyone encountered a Trump supporter who says Bernie is his #2? Because I don't know if they exist...
Bernie supporters should ask themselves why.
However, has anyone encountered a Trump supporter who says Bernie is his #2? Because I don't know if they exist...
Bernie supporters should ask themselves why.
Ignatz Mouse
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I know a guy who's mostly anti-Hillary who wished for a Trump/Sanders ticket.
I unfollowed him.
Ogrekiller
Member
Should ask them whether or not they vote D on house/senate races too knowing that Sanders need both to get his legislature passed.
If they say don't do so citing that the Ds on the ballot aren't as liberal as Bernie/ too establishment...
A Human Becoming
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I have and I think that everyone can agree not all candidate supporters are the same. From my experience talking to a person going either Trump or Bernie canvassing (long story I started to write up but figured it wasn't worth it), it seems to simply be the attitude against typical politicians. Besides them both speaking out against bought politicians and trade agreements, I don't see much else for similarities. I think anything beyond that is often an underhanded attack against Bernie, but if someone wants to make a case I would be open to it.
shinra-bansho
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There was an article that said a bunch were at a Trump rally.
Time to save this thread from the Dame Edna scale, rose tinted glasses, that Adam appears to have been liberally handing out, to all and sundry, on PoliGAF, with another decisive slap down from the awesome team on Morning Joe 
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On the previous day's show, they made a stark comparison between Bernie's 7k showing at the MLK rally, in Alabama, and a recent Hillary event (single video link; the event snapshots were scaled to reflect the level of grassroots support each campaign is attracting (that's a happy looking bunch, there Adam) ).
Oh, and Hillary's attack over Bernie's vote for the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, in the debate was, of course, more horseshit, and entirely dishonest, as the act was included in an Omnibus Spending Bill, that all but four members of Congress voted against, thus avoiding a government shutdown. This was highlighted by Thom Hartmann, another hero of our fight, on The Big Picture RT.
P.S. Yeah, I know Erasure has already highlighted my last point, but it bears underlining.
)):On the previous day's show, they made a stark comparison between Bernie's 7k showing at the MLK rally, in Alabama, and a recent Hillary event (single video link; the event snapshots were scaled to reflect the level of grassroots support each campaign is attracting (that's a happy looking bunch, there Adam)
). Oh, and Hillary's attack over Bernie's vote for the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, in the debate was, of course, more horseshit, and entirely dishonest, as the act was included in an Omnibus Spending Bill, that all but four members of Congress voted against, thus avoiding a government shutdown. This was highlighted by Thom Hartmann, another hero of our fight, on The Big Picture RT.
P.S. Yeah, I know Erasure has already highlighted my last point, but it bears underlining
.ErasureAcer
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Bernie speaking in Wolfeboro, NH live right now.
Town of 6,000...filled auditorium...over 1,000 people at least.
Town of 6,000...filled auditorium...over 1,000 people at least.
The funny part is that's true :lol
A Human Becoming
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Yeah, but he's no married to a former president or was a member of the same political party. How much someone is a part of the establishment isn't simply determined by how long they've been in office. It's a significant part, but Bernie doesn't fit that for the reasons I said.
I was there 90 minutes ago, but left. I was in a bad mood from not feeling well and also wasn't happy with how I was being treated by some staff members.
Ogrekiller
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ErasureAcer
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shinra-bansho
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The problem I see with railing against and running against "the establishment" and labeling anything and everything that doesn't actively support you during a primary process as part of that is... what do you do if you win?
Are they still the bad guy?
Are they still the bad guy?
Daniel B·;192907199 said:Time to save this thread from the Dame Edna scale, rose tinted glasses, that Adam appears to have been liberally handing out, to all and sundry, on PoliGAF, with another decisive slap down from the awesome team on Morning Joe
On the previous day's show, they made a stark comparison between Bernie's 7k showing at the MLK rally, in Alabama, and a recent Hillary event (single video link; the event snapshots were scaled to reflect the level of grassroots support each campaign is attracting (that's a happy looking bunch, there Adam)
Oh, and Hillary's attack over Bernie's vote for the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, in the debate was, of course, more horseshit, and entirely dishonest, as the act was included in an Omnibus Spending Bill, that all but four members of Congress voted against, thus avoiding a government shutdown. This was highlighted by Thom Hartmann, another hero of our fight, on The Big Picture RT.
P.S. Yeah, I know Erasure has already highlighted my last point, but it bears underlining
Yeah. That made me like Hillary even less. She is such a slimeball.
Not so much that she attacked Bernie for voting for it; but because the guy that helped to write the bill works for her and that her husband signed it into law. Like what kind of attack is that?
Ogrekiller
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No, it means you are the NEW, better establishment... just not the older, worse establishment.
Oh, and depending on how much of the old establishment is left you might not get anything done until you fill up what's left of old establishment with the NEW establishment.
Abinash117
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I don't think they tried very or do a good job at it. These people think they are still playing gentleman's war and play traditionally. It is like a extremely book smart and mature kid trying to insult an fool with bad and boring insults while the fool is not affected by it and laughs at the smart kid.
The harm will be if he is the nominee and would then would be taken seriously. All the Democrats have to do is goad in Trump making childish remarks like he did last time with Hillary and of course have him defend his crazy policies and keep focusing on that, I guess that would be one way to do it. Paint the rest of the Republicans as people that support his policies and many will want to distance from their own presidential nominee. I think that will send a big message. The dem nominee can be detailed and look presidential .
50% chance of Hillary indictment
https://www.predictit.org/Contract/...ed-against-Hillary-Clinton-in-2016#openoffers
Feels like arbitrage.
https://www.predictit.org/Contract/...ed-against-Hillary-Clinton-in-2016#openoffers
Feels like arbitrage.
A Human Becoming
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I give them a pass for most of it because it was hectic; this stuff is decided very last minute based on data. However, when I tell a staff member I've been volunteering, going door-to-door, making phone calls and they don't even respond, instead talking to someone else as I hand them back the clipboard I just signed to help with get out of the vote, it's just being plain rude and doesn't express they value their volunteers.
NYCmetsfan
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Long time poligafers now I LOOOOOVVVEE the national review and its progressive bold stances on racism,
This editoral will go great next to this
https://adamgomez.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/whythesouthmustprevail-1957.pdf
Angry Fork
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Some leftists take the "has to get worse before it gets better" route. Both Hilary and Trump will do nothing about the oligarchies, they see both as producing an equal inevitable shithole for workers, imperialism, police, surveillance, etc. except A. Hilary (as a "liberal") would entrench anti-progressive ideas even more firmly in our system as "liberals" will not fight her and will defend anything immoral she does (like they did with Obama). When Obama/Hilary murders children overseas that's the new face of "liberalism" and the "left" since they're democrats. The left doesn't want this for obvious reasons.
Allowing Trump to do all of that instead makes the left the meaningful opposition to all of the shitty things right wing politicians do, and allows the left to move forward with/advocate its own ideals. Also B. Letting Trump do it allows for a speedier downfall, so the left can come to power quicker. Basically the thought being we're fucked whether it's Hilary or Trump so might as well be Trump and get it over with quicker.
Don't know if any of that is valid or not (I think the premise is, but not the solution), and this is on the far left (communists, some socialists) not social-democrat types, but it's some of the reason people would prefer Trump over Hilary. It's not just vindictiveness towards the Clinton's or even pure anti-centrist establishment (although some of that is in there). There are actual "strategical" reasons in terms of preserving and strengthening the left over time.
Lots of leftists have abandoned that kind of strategy since Reagan/Thatcher were able to ruin everything without the strong left opposition that was supposed to magically appear soon after (instead democrats embraced right wing visions), but those kinds of debates still happen. The type of leftists that would openly declare support for Trump over Hilary for that kind of reasoning are in the extreme minority, so it's not even worth discussing unless people just want to paint broad brushes so they can defend Hilary against Sanders and act like those people are representative of Sanders' base, idk.
Jack Remington
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Goddamn idiots.
I need to stop reading comments sections. The people out there "outraged" about Clinton's emails make me think the average human IQ is well below 100. They are just not very smart people.
NYCmetsfan
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Well the average is 100 so it does mean half is below
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http://www.mediaite.com/online/fox-news-releases-criteria-for-next-weeks-gop-debate/
Fox released debate criteria. Similar criteria to last debate and they are doing an undercard.
Fox released debate criteria. Similar criteria to last debate and they are doing an undercard.
Ogrekiller
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But while Sanders is not "part" of an "establishment," he will still need an "establishment" to get elected and furthermore, an "establishment" of like minded people to pass his policy.
What happens when Bernie is perceived to get nothing done and public opinion turns against him if he wins the presidency?
And what happens if he turns into the very establishment you despise?
Jack Remington
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How far below though?
It should be painfully obvious to any thinking person that there's no "there" there with the Clinton email shit. The "super top-secret SAP" emails turned out to be a conversation about the drone program that people from Diane Feinstein to Leon Panetta have discussed openly. The people still on this issue are deranged, pure and simple.
NYCmetsfan
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Most people are between 85-115
Azure Dream
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"Everybody above a certain polling percentage, and Jeb Bush because it's fun for Trump to have someone to kick around."
Retromelon
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Hillary's sugestions are very similar to jeb's.
theprodigy
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Hillary's sugestions are very similar to jeb's.
that's a poor job of hiding "Rand Paul is done" and "Rand Paul is finished"
Everyone would have dropped out by that point, so no need.
my god, they were harping on Kenya even then
The hell is a microdont...
FloydtheFathead
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Are you trying to get your crown back from Manky?Hillary's sugestions are very similar to jeb's.
Angry Fork
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Sure, nobody denies this. However the reason people picked Jeremy Corbyn over the other candidates in the UK are the same reason people are backing Sanders. A. He advocates the things the young/disenfranchised/working class people want and need in their lives. and B. They have a hope that he will inspire the base (and non-political people who like left wing ideas) to get more involved with politics and vote for people in congress who will support Sanders vision. Sanders can't pass any laws on his own, but if more dems (particularly lefty ones) are voted in, this could change. Hilary isn't likely to inspire anyone to vote in mid-terms, especially not young people. Her campaign is blackmail; shut up and accept me because Sanders is scary. People are done listening to this kinda shit.
As for becoming the establishment, this has basically happened with every leftist politician except communists, it's not surprising and we expect it because you're still working within a system that intrinsically benefits/encourages bourgeois ideas. The game is always stacked against the left regardless of our leaders/politicians. Hilary is already that person, Bernie at least has a chance of remaining an FDR-type while in office.
It's almost guaranteed Bernie won't get half of what he wants done, but Hilary won't either (unless what you want done is aggressive jingoistic foreign policy, surveillance, corporate-friendly laws etc. that stuff will pass congress easy). Bernie can use the power of the pulpit to edge the country in a more progressive direction and motivate young people/the disenfranchised, unemployed, etc. to become interested and hopeful in politics again (what people wanted Obama to be). Hilary will be another Obama. If that's what you guys want it's fine but a lot of people don't. I still think Hilary is likely to win despite the recent good news but it is what it is, the left is used to losing all the time so I don't bother getting too upset about it.
NYCmetsfan
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Retromelon
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I did it on mobile tho which nets me extra points, so he will still have to retain that title.
Just trying to bring some smiles after the great poligaf stalin political orientation debate of 2016 😒
Hillary's sugestions are very similar to jeb's.
Retro da bess
Elaugaufein
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I think you were a little inconsistant as to whether or not you put a space after the is (I either don't get the isolationist/israel results or miss one of your is results if I'm consistant).
Amusingly Jeb Bush is so doomed though that you can typo his name and it autocorrectds and still gets your results.
ErasureAcer
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Frustrating. When you're having a conversation with someone and they act as if they're not listening or change the conversation to something else out of the blue...pretty disrespectful. I feel ya.
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