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PoliGAF 2015-2016 |OT3| If someone named PhoenixDark leaves your party, call the cops

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Why not both? Bernie as prez and Hills as veep. Let me have my cake and eat it too plz.

Would b just like dubya and cheney, but marginally less murderous/corrupt!
 

dabig2

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Expected results for the Dems. Bernie has some work for him over the next few days trying to register new peeps and maybe he can get lucky and squeak one out. Regardless, I am happy that he's winning the younger crowd who are the future of this country and will be the ones to save it (mainly because they won't have a choice). Gives me some hope for the future. I only hope that those under-45 people stick with his progressive message and goals.
 

Y2Kev

TLG Fan Caretaker Est. 2009
Im for Hillary because I don't want to pay lots of taxes. Really I'm for Ben Carson.

H->Iowa all the way baby.
 

User 406

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Expected results for the Dems. Bernie has some work for him over the next few days trying to register new peeps and maybe he can get lucky and squeak one out. Regardless, I am happy that he's winning the younger crowd who are the future of this country and will be the ones to save it (mainly because they won't have a choice). Gives me some hope for the future. I only hope that those under-45 people stick with his progressive message and goals.

That's really where the rubber meets the road. Those kids are going to be the reliable voters a decade from now. And then the kids after them will bitch about how ossified establishment they are. XD
 

tmarg

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Expected results for the Dems. Bernie has some work for him over the next few days trying to register new peeps and maybe he can get lucky and squeak one out.

Sounds like he's toast. He needs a big win in the popular vote to get a significant delegate advantage, and a big delegate advantage to survive upcoming states where he has no shot.
 

User 406

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I like O'Malley. I think it sucks he's in a race with personalities so much bigger than his, because I think he'd actually be a pretty good general election candidate.

He's nowhere near seasoned enough. In the last couple televised townhalls he had too many deer-in-headlights moments. He's also going to have a real tough time washing off the blowback from his Baltimore tenure.
 
Against trump, everyone is a good ge candidate.

Fair enough, but even against someone like Rubio, I think he'd be good, as long as he had the Dem machine behind him.

Also, that poll is fascinating, because Trump is winning despite the fact that he also seems to have the largest pool of people with negative feelings toward him.

Edit: I agree O'Malley isn't really ready, but he's more immediately likable than Hillary is and doesn't have NEARLY the baggage that she brings. There is no perfect candidate now that Obama has already been president, but I think he'd be a fine pick for the job.
 

dabig2

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That's really where the rubber meets the road. Those kids are going to be the reliable voters a decade from now. And then the kids after them will bitch about how ossified establishment they are. XD

I seriously hope that happens! I want my teenage kids to look at me, as I am today at least which I would claim is liberal, and call me an old-school conservative in comparison to their generation and time. Would mean we're continuing our track left and that socialism has ceased being a scare word.
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
Hillary was at 10 point deficit in NH after the night she lost Iowa to Obama. She turned that into a win.

Yea but Obama wasn't from the next state over. NH generally tends to go for New England candidates. If she managed to win it over Bernie that would be one of the biggest upsets this cycle.
 

User 406

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I seriously hope that happens! I want my teenage kids to look at me, as I am today at least which I would claim is liberal, and call me an old-school conservative in comparison to their generation and time. Would mean we're continuing our track left and that socialism has ceased being a scare word.

It's inevitable, that's the story of humanity, really.

Well, unless we kill ourselves. But hey, the sun will be around long enough for DNA to have a few more good attempts.
 

Kyosaiga

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Yea but Obama wasn't from the next state over. NH generally tends to go for New England candidates. If she managed to win it over Bernie that would be one of the biggest upsets this cycle.
This cycle? I'd argue decades. That'd be absolutely soul crushing to Bernie supporters
 

Kangi

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Clinton winning NH would murder Bernie's campaign. And his hopes and dreams.

I sincerely doubt it will happen unless everyone just decides he's not viable after losing IA. I guess bigger upsets have happened, but it'd be like Clinton losing SC. Which is also not happening.
 

NeoXChaos

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We've said Clinton/Sanders would likely follow Gore/Bradley, but it looks like Trump could be pulling the Gore, while Clinton/Sanders echoes Bush/McCain.

Caveat is Texas which will definitely go to Cruz and OH/FL if Kasich+Rubio+Bush stay in.

Clinton winning NH would murder Bernie's campaign. And his hopes and dreams.

I sincerely doubt it will happen unless everyone just decides he's not viable after losing IA. I guess bigger upsets have happened, but it'd be like Clinton losing SC. Which is also not happening.

Bernie would have to suffer an over night abandonment of Independents in NH to the Republican side to possibly lose.
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
Unless a story breaks that Sanders is secretly a sadist polygamist SVR agent, then I don't think she can win NH.

Pretty much, New Hampshire is a perfect storm for Bernie in terms of historical trends, how the primary works, the demographics and location.

This cycle? I'd argue decades. That'd be absolutely soul crushing to Bernie supporters

Fair enough, I just didn't want Benji to come in and throw down some insane comeback story that no one remembered but him.

Actually, I would like it if he did that. Come on Benji! Hook me up!
 

A Human Becoming

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If you have the time, write it up. I love those types of exchanges.

And I hope you don't think I'm being condescending. I really think it's great that you were out working for your candidate. I respect that a lot. :)
I did not think so at all. :)

A couple weeks ago I went canvassing on a rainy and icy Sunday. First three houses who answered I had fairly short conversations with people who liked Bernie but had not decided or were still voting Hillary. To my surprised one invited me inside for a couple minutes to get out of the rain. Then came the fourth house: the resident being a 64-year-old man named Josh, Undeclared. He answered my knock and invited me to take a seat on his porch rocking chair; not something that's happened before nor was I sure followed protocol. His two friendly huskies got up in my face as I sat down. He had a bunch of birds in cages in the back that got very loud later. Christmas tree was still lit up (tacky).

Our talk went for over an hour. I'm not a people person and canvassing is already hard for me, so I was not prepared to force my way out of a conversation. Up until that point I was lucky to get someone to speak with me for five minutes. Anyway, Josh was considering either Trump or Sanders, the former I never heard any inclination why. He liked Ron Paul, once whispering into his ear at an event something I don't remember. I don't recall everything in the conversation, but it went off the rails at one point, becoming very personal. I started in about Bernie's positions, why he should be president, talking points and asked what concerned Josh. The thing with canvassing, at least I feel, is you want to act like a real person and not a tool for the campaign. I mentioned how the issues related to me and probably gave my opinion too much, it just felt okay since there was agreement between us. Josh was even more skeptical than me. He mentioned a 9/11 conspiracy, the president already being picked, and that Saddam Hussein might not have been hanged because he was wearing a heavy coat and scarf, unlike a hanged Saddam relative who was decapitated. He thought there might be a conspiracy between Hussein, Putin and Bush or something. He was not a die hard conspiracy theorist, so I tried to relate mentioning that in the 1970s a House committee concluded there was probably a conspiracy in the assassination of JFK. It's been denounced since then.

When we got to healthcare, an important topic for me, I saw a good chance to push Bernie's single payer system when Josh explained his illnesses. Years ago he got hepatitis C from a blood transfusion at a hospital (making it clear he did not do drugs) but didn't sue the hospital because he did not know how. He also had some liver issue, for which he described how he got rid of it using some nonprescription medicine. Josh's daughter was beinged treated for her multiple sclerosis by unconventional means as well. Trying to relate, I mentioned I had some digestive problems, which he was eager to advise me on. Josh shoved some home grown brussel sprouts in my face, told me about a mucus free diet, green juice, apricot seeds, liquid chlrophylI, eating living cells and the importance of green vegetables (which I should eat more of truthfully). When offered me some of it (including coffee when I entered) I declined, being uncertain if it was acceptable to take food and not feeling particularly comfortable doing so. To his insistence I did take an apricot seed, which you can only order online he said.

Josh was a nice guy, but boy, not a fan of him referring to "the Jews" as good people. He asked if I was a Jew (see profile picture) and said they affect the media (don't remember the word control being used), but they're funny. Told me he doesn't agree with people who say bartering and selling was not hard work. Talked about how politicians are not suppose to have American/Israel citizenship, but do (I've never heard that). Josh connected this to meeting his wife online who's pure Dutch. He claimed Europeans can be “real into the pure races”, where as he called himself a mongreal. When he asked me my heritage I said English, French and Native American, the latter he questioned; I told him my grandmother looked very much like an Indian. He then brought up how Native Americans have long arms and legs, standing up to show. I followed him to be agreeable, for which he could the length. He gave me a paper called the American Free Press that on the front has a conspiracy buzz section that asks: "Was Osama Bin Laden killed because he was a budding 9-11 conspiracy theorist?" He had called the paper and spoken to the editor once. To his credit he did not think I would agree with everything written but believed it was worth reading; I haven't done so yet.

At the end he said he would vote for Bernie. When Josh said he had things to do I could finally politely leave. As I walked out he said I could swing by any time.
 

NeoXChaos

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All thanks to this guy

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I did not think so at all. :)

A couple weeks ago I went canvassing on a rainy and icy Sunday. First three houses who answered I had fairly short conversations with people who liked Bernie but had not decided or were still voting Hillary. To my surprised one invited me inside for a couple minutes to get out of the rain. Then came the fourth house: the resident being a 64-year-old man named Josh, Undeclared. He answered my knock and invited me to take a seat on his porch rocking chair; not something that's happened before nor was I sure followed protocol. His two friendly huskies got up in my face as I sat down. He had a bunch of birds in cages in the back that got very loud later. Christmas tree was still lit up (tacky).

Our talk went for over an hour. I'm not a people person and canvassing is already hard for me, so I was not prepared to force my way out of a conversation. Up until that point I was lucky to get someone to speak with me for five minutes. Anyway, Josh was considering either Trump or Sanders, the former I never heard any inclination why. He liked Ron Paul, once whispering into his ear at an event something I don't remember. I don't recall everything in the conversation, but it went off the rails at one point, becoming very personal. I started in about Bernie's positions, why he should be president, talking points and asked what concerned Josh. The thing with canvassing, at least I feel, is you want to act like a real person and not a tool for the campaign. I mentioned how the issues related to me and probably gave my opinion too much, it just felt okay since there was agreement between us. Josh was even more skeptical than me. He mentioned a 9/11 conspiracy, the president already being picked, and that Saddam Hussein might not have been hanged because he was wearing a heavy coat and scarf, unlike a hanged Saddam relative who was decapitated. He thought there might be a conspiracy between Hussein, Putin and Bush or something. He was not a die hard conspiracy theorist, so I tried to relate mentioning that in the 1970s a House committee concluded there was probably a conspiracy in the assassination of JFK. It's been denounced since then.

When we got to healthcare, an important topic for me, I saw a good chance to push Bernie's single payer system when Josh explained his illnesses. Years ago he got hepatitis C from a blood transfusion at a hospital (making it clear he did not do drugs) but didn't sue the hospital because he did not know how. He also had some liver issue, for which he described how he got rid of it using some nonprescription medicine. Josh's daughter was beinged treated for her multiple sclerosis by unconventional means as well. Trying to relate, I mentioned I had some digestive problems, which he was eager to advise me on. Josh shoved some home grown brussel sprouts in my face, told me about a mucus free diet, green juice, apricot seeds, liquid chlrophylI, eating living cells and the importance of green vegetables (which I should eat more of truthfully). When offered me some of it (including coffee when I entered) I declined, being uncertain if it was acceptable to take food and not feeling particularly comfortable doing so. To his insistence I did take an apricot seed, which you can only order online he said.

Josh was a nice guy, but boy, not a fan of him referring to "the Jews" as good people. He asked if I was a Jew (see profile picture) and said they affect the media (don't remember the word control being used), but they're funny. Told me he doesn't agree with people who say bartering and selling was not hard work. Talked about how politicians are not suppose to have American/Israel citizenship, but do (I've never heard that). Josh connected this to meeting his wife online who's pure Dutch. He claimed Europeans can be “real into the pure races”, where as he called himself a mongreal. When he asked me my heritage I said English, French and Native American, the latter he questioned; I told him my grandmother looked very much like an Indian. He then brought up how Native Americans have long arms and legs, standing up to show. I followed him to be agreeable, for which he could the length. He gave me a paper called the American Free Press that on the front has a conspiracy buzz section that asks: "Was Osama Bin Laden killed because he was a budding 9-11 conspiracy theorist?" He had called the paper and spoken to the editor once. To his credit he did not think I would agree with everything written but believed it was worth reading; I haven't done so yet.

At the end he said he would vote for Bernie. When Josh said he had things to do I could finally politely leave. As I walked out he said I could swing by any time.

Wow. Dude seems like....ya. Wow. Bless his heart. In those types of situations, I usually make up something about having a lot of names to get to, and that I don't want to get in trouble for not speaking to everyone. Sometimes it works, but I usually get stuck with the little old ladies for like 40 minutes. It also helps if you have someone with you who can run interference. One lady that I went with in 2008 would set a notification on her phone so it would beep or ring after 20 minutes. That way, we had an easy exit if we needed it. (We did a few times.)

If you don't like canvassing door to door, though, try the phone bank thing. People can be a bit ruder, but if you're not a people person there's some distance there. You typically don't get stuck on them for that long.

Today, all I did was call Iowa. The people were really nice, for the most part. I had one guy who was upset that he had to pick between "The 90 year old Socialist" and "The Woman." Like these were two of the worst possible outcomes for someone like himself. So, when I asked for his commitment I asked "So is it the socialist or the woman who gets your support at the caucus?" I got the most amazing disgusted sigh followed by "The broad." It was gross and funny at the same time.
 
LOL, no. It's largely a manufactured problem at this point.

This displays such a fundamental misunderstanding of economics that I am just plain flabbergasted. Ferrari's for everyone! Luxurious apartments in the center of major cities for everyone! Smartphones can now be made without taking any resources from other endeavors! I think that deep down you know that scarcity is still the defining issue of economics today and that Marxism simply makes no sense under scarce conditions, so you are trying to rationalize your support for Marxism.
 

A Human Becoming

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Wow. Dude seems like....ya. Wow. Bless his heart. In those types of situations, I usually make up something about having a lot of names to get to, and that I don't want to get in trouble for not speaking to everyone. Sometimes it works, but I usually get stuck with the little old ladies for like 40 minutes. It also helps if you have someone with you who can run interference. One lady that I went with in 2008 would set a notification on her phone so it would beep or ring after 20 minutes. That way, we had an easy exit if we needed it. (We did a few times.)
I've been doing that since, although I still got stuck in a conversation a weekend ago. I didn't mind much since it was fucking freezing out and they had a furnace. It didn't help in the Josh situation my phone was on mute. I'll have to try your idea out. I'm no good with this stuff; some people find answering a call during a conversation rude. These sort of moments remind me of Curb.

If you don't like canvassing door to door, though, try the phone bank thing. People can be a bit ruder, but if you're not a people person there's some distance there. You typically don't get stuck on them for that long.

Today, all I did was call Iowa. The people were really nice, for the most part. I had one guy who was upset that he had to pick between "The 90 year old Socialist" and "The Woman." Like these were two of the worst possible outcomes for someone like himself. So, when I asked for his commitment I asked "So is it the socialist or the woman who gets your support at the caucus?" I got the most amazing disgusted sigh followed by "The broad." It was gross and funny at the same time.
Haha. I've had a handful of good phone calls, like last night with very enthusiastic blind man (I learned that asking him to volunteer). I like phone banking more but from my understanding canvassing is much more effective so I do both.

At least tomorrow is the last day of persuasion canvassing. Next weekend is strictly get out the vote (GOTV).
 

Teggy

Member
Purely a hypothetical curiosity about the process here: if Hillary has clinched the nomination but becomes...unable to serve...prior to the convention, is the party within their rights to draft Biden?
 

Holmes

Member
Purely a hypothetical curiosity about the process here: if Hillary has clinched the nomination but becomes...unable to serve...prior to the convention, is the party within their rights to draft Biden?
I think her delegates go uncommitted and the convention is brokered, and all delegates are released. It would be chaos if they all don't unite behind a candidate.
 
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