The biggest thing holding Biden back from jumping into the race was probably inability to organize in time for a tough nomination fight. I'd bet good money that he'd be drafted in that scenario, and that he'd be the favorite for the general.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
PoliGAF 2015-2016 |OT3| If someone named PhoenixDark leaves your party, call the cops
- Thread starter Diablos
- Start date
- Status
disastermouse
Banned
Private automobiles are unnecessary (and parking is a motherfucker anyway). In 'Murica, we have more than enough land, no need for luxury apartments.
We can't all live like rock stars yet, but I don't feel comfortable living in luxury while so many live desperate lives. We can express our excellence in a way that doesn't require running up the score while other people live shitty lives. Even just a basic income would help.
But that's a long way off.
In that scenario he could just take over Clinton's machinery and proceed to curb stomp Trump.
Basileus777
Member
I'd pay good money to see a Trump/Biden debate.
User 463088
Banned
Canvassing is definitely better if you're in the state (or are willing to travel.) I've never traveled to do it before because I'e always been in a swing state. In the next week or two, we're supposed to start canvassing here. My work schedule means I can do it n the morning/afternoons, since I'm going to be working 4:30-1:00. Ugh.
Okay, not having much personal experience with foreign policy is one thing (not everyone becomes the world famous globe trotting Senator) but to not really have anyone on staff to get advice or even as a knowledgeable spokesperson?
That's worrisome. Especially so seemingly, randomly pick out people with foreign policy credentials that havented actually worked with Bernie in anyway to be listed as campaign 'experts'
Just because it's not a major part of your campaign, doesn't mean you get to completely ignore it while running for President.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
The single issue candidate thing seems way too true for comfort. It's troubling for someone wanting to be President. I don't think Obama ever imagined how many wildly different issues he would face from oil spills to hurricanes. The President can't just pick and choose.
shinra-bansho
Member
I think the campaign has largely assumed that they can always fall back on the pretty consequential vote 14 years ago.
I.e.
I.e.
disastermouse
Banned
What state, if you don't mind me asking, of course.
Red Blaster
Member
barnie's senility is leaking with that foreign policy bit since hillary's litany of fuck-ups on that front should make for easy targets
ugaboga232
Member
To be fair the vote ended up with a million people dead and little to show for it (didn't we go because saddam was going to/killing people?).
Cesare Borgia
Banned
He simply doesn't care. He's running on one (admittedly very important/dominant) issue, everything else is secondary.
BTW that's why he doesn't want to debate in Flint. Hillary is foaming at the mouth to debate there and appeal/relate to people emotionally as Sanders stumbles and repeats his Wall Street talking points.
User 463088
Banned
Ohio now, Florida before.
President Clinton's new video supporting my Queen
I love this video/ad whatever it is. So awesome.
shinra-bansho
Member
Yes, it's noted in my post that it was a fairly consequential vote.
At the same time, I don't think it constitutes an actual foreign policy platform. I could probably take it as a general foreign policy philosophy (which one may certainly agree with), but then it's worth noting that Sanders is not anti-intervention per se based on other pretty consequential votes.
And as the article goes into, he probably ought have some actual advisers with significant backgrounds in these affairs on board by now.
Doesn't really seem like good news to me but if all you care about is a Hillary win then I guess it is.
We need people voting that usually don't vote. Though not as important since it's caucus but still not liking the trend.
Oh I would be worried for the general but Bernie would be a fucking disaster in a general, Trump would eat him alive. I'll worry about youth turnout once Clinton gets this part closed out.
Dems don't really have a turnout problem for the presidential election, although more turnout is never really a bad thing. Now, Berine Sanders certainly needs an exorbitantly high turnout of young voters to have a prayer in the primary. It's unlikely we'd beat 2008 numbers, especially when we can see voter registration was ticking up significantly prior to the primaries and that's not happening this election.
But where we really need the turnout is during midterms, where Dems continue to get thrashed every single time.
McKay Coppins has a pretty decent piece out tonight about the impending Trumpocalypse.
The Jeb Bush Hatchet Man Who Might Accidentally Elect Donald Trump\
Really long, detailed read about Murphy's background. So many things have lined-up oddly perfectly for Trump to arise..
The Jeb Bush Hatchet Man Who Might Accidentally Elect Donald Trump\
Really long, detailed read about Murphy's background. So many things have lined-up oddly perfectly for Trump to arise..
I think Bernie can hold his own, especially against Trump who will by flying off the handle in one on one debate and is never going to get minority votes anyway.
The argument is kind of moot though since I don't think it's going to happen anyway.
True but if a firecracker like Bernie can't motivate new people to get out there and vote, not sure who is going to motivate people during midterms.
Frankly if Obama couldn't get it done, I seriously doubt Bernie could.
User 463088
Banned
The thing is, Bernie is not equally attractive to all people. Obama was, more or less. He never had these huge deficits among groups that weren't young and white. I think a lot of the Bern love comes from confirmation bias. I do the same thing with Hillary. I hear her say something, and I'm YAASSSSS'ing all over the place. Usually a few minutes later someone's like "OMG SHRILL" over it. My point is i don't think Bernie's appeal is wide enough to support his revolution. Maybe I'm wrong, though. I hope I'm not...but maybe I am.
ugaboga232
Member
Yea sorry I agree completely with everything you said (and most of what you say too, seems like you are a voice of reason here).
Probably not.
I hope you're not wrong either. Not because of Bernie. But because I hope voters start to actually take notice of politics and realize it does directly affect them. I think Bernie is showing a lot of people what things could be like, I'm not saying it's about him personally. More about getting people excited about the potential and what the rest of the world is doing.
Retromelon
Member
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWl6TLvlFEk
Bernie sanders is rabbi Manny Schevitz (har de har har) in this forgotten c movie from the nineties
Bernie sanders is rabbi Manny Schevitz (har de har har) in this forgotten c movie from the nineties
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
Those aren't rumors, but they shouldn't be attacking his private life....
I don't think that's necessarily true either. And again, it's about the message not necessarily about the man. I get it. Hillary good. But look. Bernie is introducing a lot of people to perhaps new ideas they hadn't considered before. I'm hoping that if nothing else comes out of his campaign it's a new interest by some in politics.
I know a lot of Latinos interested in Bernie. I also know a lot of people my age that are too. I mean I'm not exactly old at 32, but I think it's insulting to insinuate that if you aren't a young and naive young White male there is nothing much to like about Bernie or what he is trying to do.
Basileus777
Member
Right to Rise has really burned through 70 million already? Damn.
ugaboga232
Member
Sanders was up on those younger than 45 and up on women in that age range too but yes the demographics skew toward the young and males (I havent seen any polls on sexual preference vs which candidate favored).
this is actually pretty funny
Mike Murphy is great in panels.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVzpg7jzSyg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaBSgFN9qzM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVzpg7jzSyg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaBSgFN9qzM
Someone said it a couple of weeks ago in another thread, but books will be written about how badly Jeb damaged the party's chances in this election. He sucked up all the establishment money and endorsements early and pulled them into one of the worst candidacies in decades. I've never seen someone so mismatched for the moment. Imagine how different the current situation would be if someone like Rubio had those resources all along.
Seriously. What happened with Jeb?
I remember back in August, myself and a lot of others just assumed it was Clinton's and Jeb's for the taking. I have never seen a shoo-in sink so badly, like in anything ever. I mean even without Trump I still think it goes to Cruz or Rubio.
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=193775762&postcount=16772
Those graphs seem completely made up
disastermouse
Banned
Yeah. Kinda hope now that they don't show for the GE.
disastermouse
Banned
I don't need a graph to tell me Hillary isn't a liberal.
shinra-bansho
Member
Multiquote is not...
Difficult on mobile GAF.
Push the plus button next to the " button for the posts you want to quote.
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
So then don't point to one to 'prove' she isn't liberal. Or are you telling me you weren't attempting to point to that graph?
Hobbestetrician
Member
It should have been Obama, like several others pointed out. Most exciting candidate I've seen in all my voting years (granted I'm only 30) and yet we still get just stomped in each midterm. I honestly couldn't tell you where to start on what exactly the problem is, although the DNC probably has a lot to do with it.
a lot of it is due to polarization. People arent ticket splitting anymore like in the past as well as the coalition. Democrats did horrible in 94, 10, 14. 98 was a wash. 02 was a wash although Democrats won the Governors's races in unheard of places like OK, AZ, TN, KS & WY. 06 was a smashing success and the only good outcome since 94.
lost the house in 94, 98, 02, 10, 14.
won in 06.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_gubernatorial_elections,_2002
Jeb is only mismatched cause Trump exists. Trump defined him early using his new found national voice and brought about the biggest upheaval in politics in ages for the GOP. Trump was blunt, vicious and unapologetic vs. Bush and made a moderate conservative vision of America unpopular within GOP group think (harnessed the anger on the fringe base). Trump went hard against him, unlike most others - and Trump was right on the money - taking out the establishment dream pick.
We saw the last debate. While not necessarily a home run, Bush had a solid performance. I personally think he won that debate. So if you take Trump out of the equation and the movement surrounding him; Bush, slowly but surely would of won the hearts and minds of the GOP voter base. Ted Cruz is and was too polished a politician, too PC to emulate Trump's fervor and brand.
Bush understands one thing, loyalty. The Cuban mafia in Miami bows to him (Ileana, Balart, you name it, he owns them), because he empowered them, helped them while being the big boss down here in Florida. Yet here comes little Marco (the apprentice, the student) upsetting the status-quo and somehow the very establishment that owes so much to Jeb (and the Bush family) wants him to give up everything he worked so hard for, built so tirelessly cause it's better for Marco? Please... How about what's best for Jeb?
What goes is Jeb's head and those loyal to him (his Pac) is, FUCK THEM. Fuck the sellouts, the snakes. Fuck the party and individuals that are deserting me when I am down. Fuck the ones that are not standing with me to take on Trump as I am, taking the blows that I am etc...
The strategy to sink establishment rivals is still the best viable strategy for him to get elected. In Jeb's view, he owes little to the detractors, little. Funny how Rubio and Jeb don't talk to each other after each and every debate. And it's not Rubio who's probably turning down such a encounter. Not to mention PAC money always has a use. After all, it would be foolish to think that this money is not enriching some folks in the ad-making, PAC running operations business etc etc etc. No refunds folks.
We saw the last debate. While not necessarily a home run, Bush had a solid performance. I personally think he won that debate. So if you take Trump out of the equation and the movement surrounding him; Bush, slowly but surely would of won the hearts and minds of the GOP voter base. Ted Cruz is and was too polished a politician, too PC to emulate Trump's fervor and brand.
Bush understands one thing, loyalty. The Cuban mafia in Miami bows to him (Ileana, Balart, you name it, he owns them), because he empowered them, helped them while being the big boss down here in Florida. Yet here comes little Marco (the apprentice, the student) upsetting the status-quo and somehow the very establishment that owes so much to Jeb (and the Bush family) wants him to give up everything he worked so hard for, built so tirelessly cause it's better for Marco? Please... How about what's best for Jeb?
What goes is Jeb's head and those loyal to him (his Pac) is, FUCK THEM. Fuck the sellouts, the snakes. Fuck the party and individuals that are deserting me when I am down. Fuck the ones that are not standing with me to take on Trump as I am, taking the blows that I am etc...
The strategy to sink establishment rivals is still the best viable strategy for him to get elected. In Jeb's view, he owes little to the detractors, little. Funny how Rubio and Jeb don't talk to each other after each and every debate. And it's not Rubio who's probably turning down such a encounter. Not to mention PAC money always has a use. After all, it would be foolish to think that this money is not enriching some folks in the ad-making, PAC running operations business etc etc etc. No refunds folks.
User 463088
Banned
Hopefully I didn't give that impression, cause that's definitely not what I meant. If I did, I apologize. My point is that the people that really feel the Bern do tend to be young and white. Others are still attracted to his positions, definitely, but he hasn't done enough to shave them away from Hillary. He's not showing those groups that he's the better choice. I don't think any Democrat thinks he would be bad on LGBT, AA, Hispanic, or women's issues. (And if they do, they're wrong. He'd be fine, but I question how much of a priority they would get in a Sander's Administration, which I think is a valid critique.) The only area in which I completely question Bernie's ability is foreign policy. He's not strong on it, and he's not surrounding himself with people who can help him brush up.
I do think a better candidate (not person, but a better actual candidate) could have grown the Bernie coalition broader than mostly young, white voters.
- Status
Similar threads
- Locked
- Locked
- Locked
- Locked