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[B-Dubs]

That's not true and Obama admitted he could have closed it day one. Republicans don't take the blame for that missed opportunity.

I specifically remember Congress freaking out at the thought of housing the inmates in the US, then making it harder to do in a defense bill.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/177/close-the-guantanamo-bay-detention-center/

 

[rjinaz]

I am assuming it's due to Carsons stances on homosexuals. He has by far the most hardcore anti-gay views of any of the other candidates and that is saying something. It's really all he stands out from the pack on at this point. That and his weird hardcore niche Christian denomination he is way into.

Yeah I just don't get it. There is nothing to like about that man politically. He wouldn't even stand out at the kiddie debate, he's just dull. I think his fame is the only thing carrying him at this point. Surprised to see there is a supporter on GAF.

I couldn't stomach supporting Carson even if I did agree with him on most other issues.

His homphobia is off the charts. Just this last week he was calling LGBT people abnormal and saying it was the end of America if the next POTUS didn't roll back their civil liberties.

Holy shit.

Anybody else seeing the hypocrisy that if Obama or Hillary or Sanders said anything like that it would end them but for Republicans, it's just another Tuesday?

 

[User 463088]

Eh, that feeling from progressives has been around for years. It's okay for people in the same party as the president to criticize him; you just hope it's more reasonable (Obama's a socialist who hates whites and isn't American). I don't like how Obama has used drones, but I do like how he's handling the US military in the Middle East. He's done quite a few things lately I agree with, but he lied about what the NSA was doing and denounced Chelsea Manning of guilt before a trial was held. I just try to look at what he could have done, like closed Gitmo, not what he had no power over.

By itself, it means nothing, but it could be used to set a narrative that already exists. We have Bernie on record as saying a primary challenger for Obama wouldn't be bad, and he puts his name to a book that may or may not be attacking the President.He basically wants to replace Obama's greatest legislative achievement. There's always been doubts about him really being a Democrat, and his dedication to the Party itself. All of these things support each other in allowing someone to frame him as someone willing to throw Obama's legacy under the bus if it fit his needs.

In Iowa, Obama's approval was higher than anyone running. He's massively popular among all Democrats, but especially among AA voters. The optics just aren't good. Hillary knows this. It's why she tied herself as Obama's successor. That's a winning strategy in a partisan primary with a popular President.


GOP Senator Trolling Trump for Having Small Hands

That's it. We've reached the natural conclusion of this idiocy. I'm out. Totally out.

 

[HUELEN10]

Yeah I just don't get it. There is nothing to like about that man politically. He wouldn't even stand out at the kiddie debate, he's just dull. I think his fame is the only thing carrying him at this point. Surprised to see there is a supporter on GAF.

Aren't there voters for every candidate on GAF? Thinking otherwise, knowing how many people go here, would be kinda... unrealistic no?

 

[rjinaz]

Aren't there voters for every candidate on GAF? Thinking otherwise, knowing how many people go here, would be kinda... unrealistic no?

I guess so. I think I'm more surprised that a person would openly admit they support an openly homophobic candidate. But the I guess Trump has his supporters here.

 

[HUELEN10]

I guess so. I think I'm more surprised that a person would openly admit they support an openly homophobic candidate.

Just because you're voting for someone, doesn't believe you stand for everything they stand for, or even like them. Voting for someone doesn't mean you are supporting and endorsing everything they believe in; i't's not too hard of a concept to grasp. And for the record, I'm queer, NPA, and registering demmy just to help Bernie beat Clinton.


I am truly surprised there are not more NPA people here like myself.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Trump SOTU 2018:

"So, I looked at the indicators, and believe me, believe me, they're great. Now, the World Bank-nasty organization, never liked them, real backroom dealers-they've been saying 'oh, America's in a crisis' and they're so very biased, it's disgusting. Now I talk to this guy at the World Bank-shifty looking guy, couldn't understand two words coming out of his mouth *insulting attempt at accent* and we think this guy can tell us whether America is doing well or not? Folks, I have to tell you, I know about creating jobs and money, okay? I know a thing or two. And this guy-this guy from Zimbawhoosit or some other place in Africa-what do they know about creating jobs? None! I mean, do the America people really think that these guys from Africa can create more jobs than I can? These guys think that America has dumb leaders still. 'Oh, we can allow China to keep ripping these guys off and Japan and Mexico and South Korea can keep ripping the stupid Americans off'-That's what they're saying! And they say these things like, 'oh, America is going through a crisis not seen since the Great Depression and inflation is at 35% because Trump focused on America jobs' and-let me be frank, folks-there's no inflation right now. Last year I was going to buy a yacht-not a really expensive one but not bad and this great friend of---"

On target or no?

 

[HylianTom]

I'll never understand voting for a guy who'd be enthusiastic about throwing adults into prison for private consensual relations. There are economic concerns, sure, but first and foremost I'd want to be able to look at myself in a mirror and detect a sense of self-dignity.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Wow, I forgot how much I hated Ben Carson:

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/ben-carson-abnormal-lgbt-people-shouldnt-get-extra-rights

 

[User 463088]

Trump SOTU 2018:

"So, I looked at the indicators, and believe me, believe me, they're great. Now, the World Bank-nasty organization, never liked them, real backroom dealers-they've been saying 'oh, America's in a crisis' and they're so very biased, it's disgusting. Now I talk to this guy at the World Bank-shifty looking guy, couldn't understand two words coming out of his mouth *insulting attempt at accent* and we think this guy can tell us whether America is doing well or not? Folks, I have to tell you, I know about creating jobs and money, okay? I know a thing or two. And this guy-this guy from Zimbawhoosit or some other place in Africa-what do they know about creating jobs? None! I mean, do the America people really think that these guys from Africa can create more jobs than I can? These guys think that America has dumb leaders still. 'Oh, we can allow China to keep ripping these guys off and Japan and Mexico and South Korea can keep ripping the stupid Americans off'-That's what they're saying! And they say these things like, 'oh, America is going through a crisis not seen since the Great Depression and inflation is at 35% because Trump focused on America jobs' and-let me be frank, folks-there's no inflation right now. Last year I was going to buy a yacht-not a really expensive one but not bad and this great friend of---"

On target or no?

No. It will be delivered via Twitter.

 

[disastermouse]

Just because you're voting for someone, doesn't believe you stand for everything they stand for, or even like them. Voting for someone doesn't mean you are supporting and endorsing everything they believe in; i't's not too hard of a concept to grasp. And for the record, I'm queer, NPA, and registering dummy just to help Bernie beat Clinton.


I am truly surprised there are not more NPA people here like myself.

NPA?

 

[HUELEN10]

NPA?

NPA= no party affiliation

 

[Kangi]

I guess so. I think I'm more surprised that a person would openly admit they support an openly homophobic candidate. But the I guess Trump has his supporters here.

Trump treats gay people like kings and queens compared to monsters like Carson and Santorum. The anti-gay rhetoric among some of the GOP candidates is sickening to the point that I wouldn't associate with anybody who supported them.

 

[User 463088]

It's kinda interesting. I'm so used to being used as a wedge issue, I kinda like how it feels. Carson, though, takes it to a disgusting level. At least he's honest that he's a homophobic asshole. I much prefer to be belittled to my face than belittled behind my back.

 

[disastermouse]

Trump treats gay people like kings and queens compared to monsters like Carson and Santorum. The anti-gay rhetoric among some of the GOP candidates is sickening to the point that I wouldn't associate with anybody who supported them.

Sure you would. It's likely that you already do. Maybe they made your cheeseburger, maybe they served your drink.

 

[A Human Becoming]

I specifically remember Congress freaking out at the thought of housing the inmates in the US, then making it harder to do in a defense bill.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/177/close-the-guantanamo-bay-detention-center/

That narrative makes Obama look like he's being too hard on himself. With that said, since the admission came directly from him, I feel it's a fair criticism. I would only dull it.

By itself, it means nothing, but it could be used to set a narrative that already exists. We have Bernie on record as saying a primary challenger for Obama wouldn't be bad, and he puts his name to a book that may or may not be attacking the President.He basically wants to replace Obama's greatest legislative achievement. There's always been doubts about him really being a Democrat, and his dedication to the Party itself. All of these things support each other in allowing someone to frame him as someone willing to throw Obama's legacy under the bus if it fit his needs.

In Iowa, Obama's approval was higher than anyone running. He's massively popular among all Democrats, but especially among AA voters. The optics just aren't good. Hillary knows this. It's why she tied herself as Obama's successor. That's a winning strategy in a partisan primary with a popular President.

Out of context the primary challenger does sound bad, which is of course what will be focused on. Bernie isn't a Democrat, he's a liberal/socialist, he's just running for the nomination since he holds similar views to Democrats. I agree with you that the idea he's willing to throw Obama's legacy under the bus is a distinct possibility. None of that bothers me because I'm not a strong Democrat, but I can understand why it would those who are more dedicated to the party.

Bernie says what he believes in even if it hurts him. He's not a great politician like Hillary. You're right, it's not a calculated approach for winning distancing himself from Obama. Some people like that quality about him, I do. I feel he's in it to win it, but wants to play by his own rules, even if it means losing. In my eyes he truly believes he can win by his message resonating with people. I wouldn't call it delusional, just wishful thinking.

 

[ugaboga232]

For someone who operated on brains for a living, ben carson sure knows very little about how sexuality isn't really a choice and all the other fun neuro things. To be fair, neurosurgery is all about cutting and very little about actual therapy to make neuropsych conditions better for the most part.

 

[Kangi]

It's kinda interesting. I'm so used to being used as a wedge issue, I kinda like how it feels. Carson, though, takes it to a disgusting level. At least he's honest that he's a homophobic asshole. I much prefer to be belittled to my face than belittled behind my back.

They really took the anti-gay stuff to 11 this election. I'm almost relieved by Trump crushing these creeps.

 

[SL128]

Just because you're voting for someone, doesn't believe you stand for everything they stand for, or even like them. Voting for someone doesn't mean you are supporting and endorsing everything they believe in; i't's not too hard of a concept to grasp. And for the record, I'm queer, NPA, and registering dummy just to help Bernie beat Clinton.


I am truly surprised there are not more NPA people here like myself.

I love how unreliable this extension can be. I've not seen the acronym before, so to save people a search, it's No Party Affiliation (right?).

Edit: Every time I don't refresh nowadays...

 

[User 463088]

That narrative makes Obama look like he's being too hard on himself. With that said, since the admission came directly from him, I feel it's a fair criticism. I would only dull it.

Out of context the primary challenger does sound bad, which is of course what will be focused on. Bernie isn't a Democrat, he's a liberal/socialist, he's just running for the nomination since he holds similar views to Democrats. I agree with you that the idea he's willing to throw Obama's legacy under the bus is a distinct possibility. None of that bothers me because I'm not a strong Democrat, but I can understand why it would those who are more dedicated to the party.

Bernie says what he believes in even if it hurts him. He's not a great politician like Hillary. You're right, it's not a calculated approach for winning distancing himself from Obama. Some people like that quality about him, I do. I feel he's in it to win it, but wants to play by his own rules, even if it means losing. In my eyes he truly believes he can win by his message resonating with people. I wouldn't call it delusional, just wishful thinking.

Ya, it's probably more of an issue for me because I am a strong Democrat, and I'm proud of it. Bernie's never done anything for the party, and when he attacks a sitting President from it...it doesn't look good to me. For him to win, he needs to make nice with some of us. These types of things make it harder for him to do that.

I also agree he's not a good politician, but I'm not of the mind that he's not a politician at all. He is. He's done a few things that show he knows what the game is. He plays when he wants to and acts above it when he doesn't.

They really took the anti-gay stuff to 11 this election. I'm almost relieved by Trump crushing these creeps.

I've run out of fucks to give about these people. I used to get pissed every time someone said something hurtful. I realized I'd be in a state of constant emotional turmoil if I did that. So, I just roll my eyes and once in a while call the bigger assholes out on it.

 

[RustyNails]

The next 8 years are gonna be so annoying with berniebros (our progressive teaparty) cackling at every step Hillary takes, makes a deal with the GOP or engages a foreign entity. Ugh, I'm depressed just thinking about. If you thought one PD being on Obama's case was annoying, wait till you see 100 PD's on Hillary's case.

 

[B-Dubs]

That narrative makes Obama look like he's being too hard on himself. With that said, since the admission came directly from him, I feel it's a fair criticism. I would only dull it.

I do think he's being too hard on himself in that interview you posted. People freaked out almost instantly when he said they were gonna close it, I remember it pretty well because it felt like the only people not freaking out about it were from NYC or repped NY in congress. I'm not sure moving earlier could have changed the reaction he got.

 

[Cheebo]

Just because you're voting for someone, doesn't believe you stand for everything they stand for, or even like them. Voting for someone doesn't mean you are supporting and endorsing everything they believe in; i't's not too hard of a concept to grasp. And for the record, I'm queer, NPA, and registering dummy just to help Bernie beat Clinton.


I am truly surprised there are not more NPA people here like myself.

It's because his homophobia and downright hatred of gays is his entire candidacy. There is literally no other issue he shows any sort of passion or even interest in other than that. Have you seen him try to comment on anything politically when it isn't about how much he hates gays? Outside of that issue he seems bored out of his mind.

 

[disastermouse]

The next 8 years are gonna be so annoying with berniebros (our progressive teaparty) cackling at every step Hillary takes, makes a deal with the GOP or engages a foreign entity. Ugh, I'm depressed just thinking about. If you thought one PD being on Obama's case was annoying, wait till you see 100 PD's on Hillary's case.

Ain't gonna cackle, just ain't ever gonna vote for her.

 

[rjinaz]

Just because you're voting for someone, doesn't believe you stand for everything they stand for, or even like them. Voting for someone doesn't mean you are supporting and endorsing everything they believe in; i't's not too hard of a concept to grasp. And for the record, I'm queer, NPA, and registering dummy just to help Bernie beat Clinton.


I am truly surprised there are not more NPA people here like myself.

You are somebody I don't think I will ever understand. The dude hates you deep down. It's pretty obvious or thinks of you as lesser or wrong in the very least. But it's ok, because taxes.

Well at least you're supporting Bernie.

 

[Basileus777]

The next 8 years are gonna be so annoying with berniebros (our progressive teaparty) cackling at every step Hillary takes, makes a deal with the GOP or engages a foreign entity. Ugh, I'm depressed just thinking about. If you thought one PD being on Obama's case was annoying, wait till you see 100 PD's on Hillary's case.

There were a lot more than one PD harping on Obama. In fact I rather doubt the vitriol aimed at Obama will be equaled any time soon.

 

[Cheebo]

You are somebody I don't think I will ever understand. The dude hates you deep down. It's pretty obvious or thinks of you as lesser or wrong in the very least. But it's ok, because taxes.

That's the thing. I can't imagine supporting someone who hated me and everything about my life at a very personal level. It makes no sense.

I can get being gay and supporting a Republican who is mostly just paying lip service to the base on gays. But Carson is a true blue believer and has said so many outrageous things about gays that it makes Trumps comments about Muslims and Hispanics seem nice by comparison. Carson clearly hates gay people. He doesn't even try to hide it.

 

[RustyNails]

There were a lot more than one PD harping on Obama. In fact I rather doubt the vitriol aimed at Obama will be equaled any time soon.

But this time it will be with a "told u guyz she's a corporate sellout!!" or "this is why we should've voted bernie!!"

 

[Coriolanus]

But this time it will be with a "told u guyz she's a corporate sellout!!" or "this is why we should've voted bernie!!"

This is healthy. Desiring alternatives should make sucession easier (and facilitate leftier candidates. Buggered if i can back that up with hard data tho)

Warren 2024 or whatever. (No idea if she'll be too old).

 

[disastermouse]

There were a lot more than one PD harping on Obama. In fact I rather doubt the vitriol aimed at Obama will be equaled any time soon.

How long have you been around?

 

[ugaboga232]

Ya, it's probably more of an issue for me because I am a strong Democrat, and I'm proud of it. Bernie's never done anything for the party, and when he attacks a sitting President from it...it doesn't look good to me. For him to win, he needs to make nice with some of us. These types of things make it harder for him to do that.

I also agree he's not a good politician, but I'm not of the mind that he's not a politician at all. He is. He's done a few things that show he knows what the game is. He plays when he wants to and acts above it when he doesn't.



I've run out of fucks to give about these people. I used to get pissed every time someone said something hurtful. I realized I'd be in a state of constant emotional turmoil if I did that. So, I just roll my eyes and once in a while call the bigger assholes out on it.

I guess where I differ is that I have no real connection to either party even though I liked obama and would never vote republican if they continue down this path (and probably will always be on the more lbieral side till i get surpassed by next gen). I don't really care about Obama's legacy, I care about the country and its people. I can see that those who have worked hard in creating and maintaining the party would be upset that Bernie wants to tear down legacies in exchange for more progress. I guess it stems from my hate of associating myself with groups of people whom I have little to do. I never root for sports teams and when i root for a dota team its just cuz I like the individual players (hate when people say We won). But you seem to have actually been apart of the group so it makes a lot of sense. random thoughts as I wait for mars dota league finals to begin.

 

[disastermouse]

This is healthy. Desiring alternatives should make sucession easier.

Warren 2024 or whatever. (No idea if she'll be old enuff).

Too old, actually.

 

[Aaron Strife]

This is healthy. Desiring alternatives should make sucession easier (and facilitate leftier candidates. Buggered if i can back that up with hard data tho)

Warren 2024 or whatever. (No idea if she'll be too old).

2024 primaries (or God forbid 2020) should be much more interesting with Harris, Booker and one of the Castros, maybe Gillibrand in the mix.

None of whom btw will be a day over 60 before the primaries. Harris would be 60 by Election Day 2024 though

 

[disastermouse]

2024 primaries (or God forbid 2020) should be much more interesting with Harris, Booker and one of the Castros, maybe Gillibrand in the mix.

None of whom btw will be a day over 60 before the primaries. Harris would be 60 by Election Day 2024 though

Yeah, I ain't voting for any of those fuckers. Loser Democrats, every one.

 

[HUELEN10]

You are somebody I don't think I will ever understand. The dude hates you deep down. It's pretty obvious or thinks of you as lesser or wrong in the very least. But it's ok, because taxes.

Well at least you're supporting Bernie.

Well, I'm voting for him in the primaries and will vote for him in General if he gets it; doesn't mean I support or endorse everything he stands for either. He has had his share of bullshit as far as I'm concerned, as every other candidate this election in my book.

 

[Elaugaufein]

Hopefully I didn't give that impression, cause that's definitely not what I meant. If I did, I apologize. My point is that the people that really feel the Bern do tend to be young and white. Others are still attracted to his positions, definitely, but he hasn't done enough to shave them away from Hillary. He's not showing those groups that he's the better choice. I don't think any Democrat thinks he would be bad on LGBT, AA, Hispanic, or women's issues. (And if they do, they're wrong. He'd be fine, but I question how much of a priority they would get in a Sander's Administration, which I think is a valid critique.) The only area in which I completely question Bernie's ability is foreign policy. He's not strong on it, and he's not surrounding himself with people who can help him brush up.

I do think a better candidate (not person, but a better actual candidate) could have grown the Bernie coalition broader than mostly young, white voters.

(Using you as a plural to refer to the Democratic party as a whole).

Perhaps but I don't think to a meaningful extent. You seem to be very cautious as a party economically and far more concerned with trying to preserve what you've got than making grabs for more. Even Obamacare, for all that its light years beyond what you had, is probably the least ambitious government healthcare attempt by the more Left positioned of a major party in the developed world in at least the last 50 years. I don't think as a party you have the willingness to actually go out there and be radical when it comes to anything thats even vaguely tied to the economy. You took your knocks in the late 70s and 80s , repositioned and don't seem willing to explore that avenue again.

In some sense the mere fact that Bernie has people talking and has the level of support he does is actually impressive. He's actually doing significantly better than any serious (past Center) Left leaning political force in my country (admittedly part of that is because our Center Left parties left wing is more so than the Democratic Party has been traditionally is, so he's got a broader pool to draw from).

Honestly even if you think anything more than Hillary's positions are fairy dust and dreams you should be happy that people are out there advocating for those things. They make your position look more moderate and reasonable. It's the same way that having people like Cruz around and be majorly influential make the general Republican Party seem reasonable even though it's extremely right wing economically and its public positions are very solidly conservative socially.

 

[johnsmith]

I really like Gillibrand, hope she runs in 2024.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

2024 primaries (or God forbid 2020) should be much more interesting with Harris, Booker and one of the Castros, maybe Gillibrand in the mix.

None of whom btw will be a day over 60 before the primaries. Harris would be 60 by Election Day 2024 though

None of them look that great right now. We'll see what they, and Duckworth and others, accomplish between now and 2024 though.

 

[adamsappel]

This Iowa mailer story has legs. The Secretary of State has now admonished the Cruz campaign. Horrible timing.

Looking more and more possible that Trump takes this process by storm.

When I used to go to Dead shows, there was always someone walking around giving "tickets" to people, for being "cool" or some such only to then pitch for a donation. Always freaked me out if I was tripping on LSD to be handed something that looked like that.

I'm pretty sure Rubio is just glad Jeb will stop spreading rumors about him being gay soon.

Whatever happened to the Rubio sleeping with a lobbyist rumor? Seems like that could really knock him out. I guess there's nothing there?

You are still supporting the guy that seems like he is over medicating himself at every debate? Through his literal babbling, what exactly are you agreeing with? The flat tax I guess?

Isn't HUELEN poor? HUELEN, why would you support a regressive policy like a flat tax that would punish yourself?

 

[shinra-bansho]

Wasn't Obamacare the largest expansion of healthcare coverage in the US in 50 years? I recall that line being touted quite a bit (by both proponents and detractors.)

 

[Aaron Strife]

None of them look that great right now. We'll see what they, and Duckworth and others, accomplish between now and 2024 though.

Well if Castro does get the VP nod I think he'll be at the forefront of any immigration or education reform so he'll have that going for him. And Gillibrand has a solid pay equity proposal that would probably get passed in a Dem Congress (one can hope).

 

[B-Dubs]

Well if Castro does get the VP nod I think he'll be at the forefront of any immigration or education reform so he'll have that going for him. And Gillibrand has a solid pay equity proposal that would probably get passed in a Dem Congress (one can hope).

She's been pretty good about making friends from what I can tell, so it should be able to get done if the Dems can take congress back.

 

[RastaMentality]

After reviewing the polls, neither Rubio or my man Carson seem to have ANY hope in beating Trump, makes me sad. Gonna become a demmy this week just to vote in primaries. It feels soooooooooo weird being NPA and doing this, this would be the first time I do it because I feel the stakes are that high.

Any other NPA peeps feel weird about registering as something just to vote in primaries, or do you get used to it after a while?

I love how you call this man crazy in his threads but still continue to call him your man lol.

 

[ugaboga232]

Wasn't Obamacare the largest expansion of healthcare coverage in the US in 50 years? I recall that line being touted quite a bit (by both proponents and detractors.)

It's complicated in that more people are insured and it fixed some quality of life stuff (that are awesome, dont get me wrong, preexisting conditions is a horrid reason not to insure ppl in the moral sense). But, a lot of structural elements in US healthcare are barely touched and costs are accelerating a lot (not as much as before but still way more than any other country). A lot of people are still probably underinsured or paying a shit ton for health care plus theres a healthcare hole right around where subsidized plans stop and the unsubsidized plans are too expensive so you have to pay the tax which sucks.

 

[Elaugaufein]

Wasn't Obamacare the largest expansion of healthcare coverage in the US in 50 years? I recall that line being touted quite a bit (by both proponents and detractors.)

I probably should have more clearly excluded the US itself from that statement.

 

[dabig2]

But this time it will be with a "told u guyz she's a corporate sellout!!" or "this is why we should've voted bernie!!"

I don't care for this type of "I was so right LOLOLOL" nonsense you're already concern trolling about, but I do hope the under-45 crowd gets more engaged during this next term instead of resting on their laurels and patting themselves on the back for voting that 1 time in the 2016 general. Keep hungry and stay hungry in making sure the politicians in power don't take advantage of us common folk - and yes, that includes even the politicians we like.

Like, if Hillary were to resurrect Obama's insanely stupid chained CPI or do some other type of welfare "reform" or <insert other conservative fever dream policy here>, I hope everyone can unify in getting angry enough to shout and dominate the conversation. It's never good to stay quiet. I appreciate the PDs and EmptyVessels of the world. They help keep our politicians and, more importantly, ourselves honest.

 

[Coriolanus]

Keeping peoples hungry would also, y'know, diminish the skullfucking thats coming your way in 2018.


DWS on the job, tho!

 

[Holmes]

PA Dems

Clinton 55%
Sanders 28%
That other guy 4%

http://www.politicspa.com/harper-poll-clinton-55-sanders-28/72263/

 

[Abinash117]

It's kinda interesting. I'm so used to being used as a wedge issue, I kinda like how it feels. Carson, though, takes it to a disgusting level. At least he's honest that he's a homophobic asshole. I much prefer to be belittled to my face than belittled behind my back.

Seems like a different sort of jerkass to me.

 

[exmachina64]

PA Dems

Clinton 55%
Sanders 28%
That other guy 4%

http://www.politicspa.com/harper-poll-clinton-55-sanders-28/72263/

Damn.