exmachina64
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You could be a Trump speech writer.
Edit: Oops, sorry for the double post. Lost track of my threads on mobile.
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PoliGAF 2015-2016 |OT3| If someone named PhoenixDark leaves your party, call the cops
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You could be a Trump speech writer.
Edit: Oops, sorry for the double post. Lost track of my threads on mobile.
Jack Remington
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PA Dems
Clinton 55%
Sanders 28%
That other guy 4%
http://www.politicspa.com/harper-poll-clinton-55-sanders-28/72263/
What's funny is that the first two states are by far the most competitive on both sides. You get to South Carolina and Clinton and Trump are annihilating everyone else. All the states coming after Nevada that have been polled show Trump and Clinton dominating (except Texas, where Cruz leads, and I assume Vermont).
So now Kasichs the guy surging in New Hampshire. Being completely honest, that worries me. He's one of the better chances the republicans have in a general election, and he'll just do the usual response to motivate the base. (Nominate a very right wing VP, focus the campaign on beating Democrats rather than an actual position).
What are his numbers looking like in South Carolina?
What are his numbers looking like in South Carolina?
Jack Remington
Banned
So now Kasichs the guy surging in New Hampshire. Being completely honest, that worries me. He's one of the better chances the republicans have in a general election, and he'll just do the usual response to motivate the base. (Nominate a very right wing VP, focus the campaign on beating Democrats rather than an actual position).
What are his numbers looking like in South Carolina?
Jeb-like. He's a non-factor outside of NH.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/sc/south_carolina_republican_presidential_primary-4151.html
Btw I love that he's doing well in NH, because it opens up the very real possibility that Rubio finishes 4th there.
Edit: there's a decent chance Rubio finishes 5th in NH.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_republican_presidential_primary-3350.html
Bel Marduk
Banned
They really took the anti-gay stuff to 11 this election. I'm almost relieved by Trump crushing these creeps.
The anti-gay/womans rights people know theyve lost. Thats why Santorum and Hickabee are doing so poorly this cycle.
I wouldn't call it progress for the GOP, though, the hatred just seems to have shifted toward Hispanics and Muslims.
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2024 primaries (or God forbid 2020) should be much more interesting with Harris, Booker and one of the Castros, maybe Gillibrand in the mix.
None of whom btw will be a day over 60 before the primaries. Harris would be 60 by Election Day 2024 though
None of those are progressive candidates. If that's the future of the Democratic Party, America is fucked.
EDIT: that's probably unfair to Harris, actually, she'd be tolerable. If it was one of the Castros or especially Gillibrand, though, smh.
Bel Marduk
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None of those are progressive candidates. If that's the future of the Democratic Party, America is fucked.
EDIT: that's probably unfair to Harris, actually, she'd be tolerable. If it was one of the Castros or especially Gillibrand, though, smh.
DiBlasio would make a fine candidate in 2020 if Clinton were to lose this time around
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Someone pointed out a moderately interesting point to me today, which is that because students were back at home for the caucus last year, registration had to be organised far in advance. The Sanders campaign is doing it on campus more or less now. So it's plausible there could be a spike not picked up by the last batch of numbers. Unlikely but there you go.
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Gavin Newsom will probably be in the mix too for 2020/24
He has enough skeletons to fill an ossuary. Never happening.
Someone pointed out a moderately interesting point to me today, which is that because students were back at home for the caucus last year, registration had to be organised far in advance. The Sanders campaign is doing it on campus more or less now. So it's plausible there could be a spike not picked up by the last batch of numbers. Unlikely but there you go.
You don't have to be a registered voter to attend the caucus as you can sign up at the caucus itself. Shouldn't be a factor in the polling as that part's no different than 2008.
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You don't have to be a registered voter to attend the caucus as you can sign up at the caucus itself. Shouldn't be a factor in the polling as that part's no different than 2008.
That's registering as a Democrat, rather than as a voter - which I don't think you can do at caucus.
Noses are too high in the air to accept anybody.Gillibrand is not a progressive candidate? There was a lot of handwringing at the time of her appointment but I don't think any of her critics at the time have been disappointed. She has been pretty reliably progressive.
shinra-bansho
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A new batch of IA voter registration numbers was released a couple days ago, so they're pretty recent (Jan 27th). Registered active Democratic voters are about 20K less than in 2008, and No Party registered voters about 15K less. Republicans are roughly flat on 2012.
But I thought you could both register to vote at the IA caucuses, and switch a No Party registration to a Democrat registration anyway? If they can't then someone needs to tell Sanders' webmaster.
Also, I thought the Khaleesi herself, Elizabeth Warren, had endorsed Kamala Harris for Senate.
But I thought you could both register to vote at the IA caucuses, and switch a No Party registration to a Democrat registration anyway? If they can't then someone needs to tell Sanders' webmaster.
Also, I thought the Khaleesi herself, Elizabeth Warren, had endorsed Kamala Harris for Senate.
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Gillibrand is not a progressive candidate? There was a lot of handwringing at the time of her appointment but I don't think any of her critics at the time have been disappointed. She has been pretty reliably progressive.
Gillibrand is Clinton mk.II. It's legislate via focus group. Harris has actually fought for lost causes. Gillibrand only became more progressive because she went from a less progressive district to a more progressive one.
Obviously that's acceptable for the people in this thread already sold on Clinton, but it's not what progressives want.
Gillibrand only became more progressive because she went from a less progressive district to a more progressive one.
This is a good thing, not a bad thing.
Obviously that's acceptable for the people in this thread already sold on Clinton, but it's not what progressives want.
Yeah ok thanks crab.
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This is a good thing, not a bad thing.
Difference of opinion here, then.
Gillibrand is Clinton mk.II. It's legislate via focus group. Harris has actually fought for lost causes. Gillibrand only became more progressive because she went from a less progressive district to a more progressive one.
Obviously that's acceptable for the people in this thread already sold on Clinton, but it's not what progressives want.
Is progressive now a synonym for liberal ideologue?
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Is progressive now a synonym for liberal ideologue?
It means pushing for progress rather than defending the status quo.
I hope in 10 years the Dems aren't the obstructionist party. Sure seems like it with all the purity talk.
I could at least kind of understand the purging or wanting to purge blue dogs from the party, but I don't get the idea of trying to purge everyone who doesn't agree with the pace or strategy for achieving the same goals.
RustyNails
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This "revolution" Bernie speaks about sounds like a cultural revolution if you ask me. Anyone opposed to the proletariat dream is the enemy. Anyone remotely accepting of an idea that is traditional in nature is a bourgeois filth that is hindering the cause. We need to completely do away with the status quo.I could at least kind of understand the purging or wanting to purge blue dogs from the party, but I don't get the idea of trying to purge everyone who doesn't agree with the pace or strategy for achieving the same goals.
This combined with scary as fuck socialists who wan to ban every religious symbol in the OT tells you we are ready for Chairman Sanders.
QuiteWhittle
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I could at least kind of understand the purging or wanting to purge blue dogs from the party, but I don't get the idea of trying to purge everyone who doesn't agree with the pace or strategy for achieving the same goals.
I miss the blue dogs honestly. At least they could be a reliable vote for SOMETHING, whether Dem leadership, federal appointments, health care, stimulus, whatever.
I hope in 10 years the Dems aren't the obstructionist party. Sure seems like it with all the purity talk.
Not really sure how that would even be possible. Unless the more conservative dems, being afraid of making changes, are the majority.
The Republican party didn't become an obstructionist party because the majority division of moderate/liberal republicans were afraid of making changes.Not really sure how that would even be possible. Unless the more conservative dems, being afraid of making changes, are the majority.
The hysteria over this is getting to be delusional. Sanders campaign generally is about who the government represents. It's not out of line with any of the uproar you would find from typical dems over citizens united.This "revolution" Bernie speaks about sounds like a cultural revolution if you ask me. Anyone opposed to the proletariat dream is the enemy. Anyone remotely accepting of an idea that is traditional in nature is a bourgeois filth that is hindering the cause. We need to completely do away with the status quo.
This combined with scary as fuck socialists who wan to ban every religious symbol in the OT tells you we are ready for Chairman Sanders.
Thanks for speaking for all of us progressives. I am without a doubt a progressive. Hard left on virtually every issue there is.Obviously that's acceptable for the people in this thread already sold on Clinton, but it's not what progressives want.
But guess what, not all progressives will vote for purity above all else. I had my days where I supported Bradley over Gore. Dean over Kerry. Many eventually grow out of that after realizing all it does is leads to losing and start to vote pragmatically in the goal of winning elections. That doesn't change having progressive views. Politics is a sport, it's about winning in the end. Nobody wins by always going to 100% purity above all else. I know my own progressive views, I also know many of my views are completely non-starters in a nationally election. I, and obviously some other progressives rather win and get 90% of what we wanted than choose to lose because the candidate didn't agree with us 100% of the time and end up getting 0% of what we want.
And that doesn't make us any less progressive than you. You may not agree with it but there are plenty of reasons why hard left progressives have for choosing Hillary over Bernie. Not everyone values purity above all else. Not everyone has the same priorities as you in choosing a candidate. That doesn't make their personal policy opinions any less progressive or hard-left.
Frank the Great
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PA Dems
Clinton 55%
Sanders 28%
That other guy 4%
http://www.politicspa.com/harper-poll-clinton-55-sanders-28/72263/
Revolution imminent.
But I thought you could both register to vote at the IA caucuses, and switch a No Party registration to a Democrat registration anyway? If they can't then someone needs to tell Sanders' webmaster.
You can indeed register at the caucuses. Interestingly, these people would be screened out in the Selzer poll. However (and I can't source this right now, but saw it a couple days ago) such voters comprised only 4% or 10,000 people in the 2008 dem caucus. Also, only around 55% of them went for Obama. If someone finds a link to the hard numbers that would be great.
A Human Becoming
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Always roll my eyes at this doomsday talk. DINO is not a new term and as the party moves more left it's normal to have the same questioning. It's a baseless idea (for now) that is used to paint (mostly) Bernie supporters as equivalent to the Tea Party.I hope in 10 years the Dems aren't the obstructionist party. Sure seems like it with all the purity talk.
hillary is going to destroy bernie on monday. bernie voters will be milling about at their local whole foods (do they have those in iowa??) wondering why the caucus hasn't started yet. will be tremendous.
if the voters won't come to the caucus, the caucus must go to the voters
35% on PredictIt. But that market is demonstrably crazy.Is there actually a chance hillary is "indicted"?
Red Blaster
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This "revolution" Bernie speaks about sounds like a cultural revolution if you ask me. Anyone opposed to the proletariat dream is the enemy. Anyone remotely accepting of an idea that is traditional in nature is a bourgeois filth that is hindering the cause. We need to completely do away with the status quo.
This combined with scary as fuck socialists who wan to ban every religious symbol in the OT tells you we are ready for Chairman Sanders.
dont forget he vacationed in nicaragua, cuba and the soviet union
That's pretty substantial. I mean, you wouldn't play russian roulette if you knew in advance you had a 35% chance of getting your head blown off.
I do think somebody could step in, but the party image would be so damaged I don't think it would matter. I wonder who is deciding this-- is it an appointed official (i.e. by Obama) or an independent investigator? I haven't really followed the story as it doesn't seem like there's a there there but it's good to have loose ends tied up.
Is this like a haha joke or a rah rah joke?
I do think somebody could step in, but the party image would be so damaged I don't think it would matter. I wonder who is deciding this-- is it an appointed official (i.e. by Obama) or an independent investigator? I haven't really followed the story as it doesn't seem like there's a there there but it's good to have loose ends tied up.
This "revolution" Bernie speaks about sounds like a cultural revolution if you ask me. Anyone opposed to the proletariat dream is the enemy. Anyone remotely accepting of an idea that is traditional in nature is a bourgeois filth that is hindering the cause. We need to completely do away with the status quo.
This combined with scary as fuck socialists who wan to ban every religious symbol in the OT tells you we are ready for Chairman Sanders.
Is this like a haha joke or a rah rah joke?
Enter the Dragon Punch
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Can someone please explain to me why Clinton and Cruz don't want single payer healthcare while Trump and Sanders do? Seems odd to me there is a split in both parties about it.
Sure, single payer has its issues, but I vastly prefer it to the mess America has.
Sure, single payer has its issues, but I vastly prefer it to the mess America has.
ugaboga232
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This "revolution" Bernie speaks about sounds like a cultural revolution if you ask me. Anyone opposed to the proletariat dream is the enemy. Anyone remotely accepting of an idea that is traditional in nature is a bourgeois filth that is hindering the cause. We need to completely do away with the status quo.
This combined with scary as fuck socialists who wan to ban every religious symbol in the OT tells you we are ready for Chairman Sanders.
To be fair, the counter/point that is being taken for granted of your hyperbole is that the status quo is decent or at least workable as we get better. And for most people (me included) you are pretty right. But 20,000 people a year kill themselves. We've started 2 wars and killed over a million innocents over <5000 people dying. So there are a lot of people in which the status quo is pretty shitty (as I'm sure you know not trying to lecture just pointing out why some people want more radical change). Also you are mixing like 5 different political leanings that vaguely fall under the banner of socialism.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Can someone please explain to me why Clinton and Cruz don't want single payer healthcare while Trump and Sanders do? Seems odd to me there is a split in both parties about it.
Sure, single payer has its issues, but I vastly prefer it to the mess America has.
Trump's healthcare plan is not Obamacare or single payer but kinda Obamacare and single payer except not but who the fuck knows
An hour ago on ABC:
STEPHANOPOULOS: You say that Ted Cruz is a liar, but you have said that you want everyone to be covered on health care and the government is going to pay for it.
How is that not ObamaCare?
TRUMP: I want people takes -- that's true. I want people taken care of. I have a heart. I want people taken care of. If people have no money, we have to help people.
But that doesn't mean single payer. It means we have to help people. If somebody has no money and they're lying in the middle of the street and they're dying, I'm going to take care of that person...
STEPHANOPOULOS: How do you do it?
TRUMP: -- and try and get them back to health. We're going to work with our hospitals. We're going to work with our doctors. We've got to do something.
You can't have a -- a small percentage of our economy, because they're down and out, have absolutely no protection so they end up dying from, you know, what you could have a simple procedure or even a pill. You can't do that.
We'll work something out. That doesn't mean single payer. And I mean, maybe he's got no heart. And if this means I lose an election, that's fine, because, frankly, we have to take care of the people in our country. We can't let them die on the sidewalks of New York or the sidewalks of Iowa or anywhere else.
So -- but that's not single payer and as far as ObamaCare is concerned, one of the staples of my speech -- and you can ask any of my many supporters -- is repeal and replace ObamaCare. It's a disaster. The premiums are...
STEPHANOPOULOS: (INAUDIBLE).
TRUMP: -- going up 25, 35, 45 percent, George. The -- the deduct -- I mean you take a look at what's going on with -- with ObamaCare, it's an outrage. It's probably going to fail on its own unless the Republicans renew it, like they have been, in '17.
(CROSSTALK)
TRUMP: But by '17, ObamaCare will fail on its own.
But a whole staple of my campaign is repealing, getting rid of ObamaCare and replacing it.
Roland_Gunner
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Can someone please explain to me why Clinton and Cruz don't want single payer healthcare while Trump and Sanders do? Seems odd to me there is a split in both parties about it.
Sure, single payer has its issues, but I vastly prefer it to the mess America has.
Trump has, at various points, said things supporting single payer but has never made implementing it part of his campaign platform. He's also supported expanded savings accounts and reducing vaccinations so he doesn't really have a healthcare plan.
http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Donald_Trump_Health_Care.htm
Clinton, and many other Democrats, belief that the challenges in implementing single payer are larger than the potential benefits and a gradual expansion of the ACA is a better alternative. This article explains why in great detail:
http://www.vox.com/2016/1/16/10779270/pollack-single-payer-in-america
As far as I know, it doesn't matter what the FBI thinks. They can recommend an indictment, but the Attorney General has the final say.That's pretty substantial. I mean, you wouldn't play russian roulette if you knew in advance you had a 35% chance of getting your head blown off.
I do think somebody could step in, but the party image would be so damaged I don't think it would matter. I wonder who is deciding this-- is it an appointed official (i.e. by Obama) or an independent investigator? I haven't really followed the story as it doesn't seem like there's a there there but it's good to have loose ends tied up.
Trump's healthcare plan is that he will directly make a deal with hospitals. That's one way to overcome congressional gridlock!Trump's healthcare plan is not Obamacare or single payer but kinda Obamacare and single payer except not but who the fuck knows
Plinko
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Trump's healthcare plan is not Obamacare or single payer but kinda Obamacare and single payer except not but who the fuck knows
An hour ago on ABC:
It's funny. Every time I hear a republican talk about this, they mention that premiums keep rising and that they need to "work with hospitals and drug companies."
They are basically identifying the main problem. The costs charged for procedures in this country are absolutely outrageous when compared to other countries. However, when the GOP's feet are held to the fire and they are in position to actually work with hospitals/drug companies, they never do anything because they realize it would take price caps or new regulations that would go against the "free market" that they love and cherish.
Seriously--republicans have talked about replacing ACA for years, yet we've seen almost no plans and the plans they actually do create are basically, "Hey, let's just go back to the exact same system that got us into the problem in the first place. It'll be ok because it saves us a little money now. Sucks to be our children and grandchildren, though."
Joe Shlabotnik
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TRUMP 2016
We'll Work Something Out
We'll Work Something Out
Black Republican
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So after Iowa Caucus' who do you see dropping out in the same week?
Gone:
Huckabee
Santorum
Carson
Fiorina
Gone:
Huckabee
Santorum
Carson
Fiorina
This "revolution" Bernie speaks about sounds like a cultural revolution if you ask me. Anyone opposed to the proletariat dream is the enemy. Anyone remotely accepting of an idea that is traditional in nature is a bourgeois filth that is hindering the cause. We need to completely do away with the status quo.
This combined with scary as fuck socialists who wan to ban every religious symbol in the OT tells you we are ready for Chairman Sanders.
You have been really hard on Bernie Sanders supporters recently, like I would argue that you see us as the enemy more so than you claim that we see you as the enemy. Everything is going to be fine. Hillary will get the nomination and yet even then it sounds like you won't be happy. It is indeed going to be a long 4-8 years for you if you don't ease up a bit.
I am a Bernie supporter. I understand and appreciate the traditional stance you are taking. I am not your enemy. I may not agree with it completely. But in the end, it's not going to matter.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Anyone taking odds on some real-ass shit going down at the GOP caucuses tomorrow?
Trump supporters arguing in a hall with a bunch of Cruz supporters with a bunch of Rubio supporters with ohhh at least one or two others maybe. All across the state. Trying to convince everyone else to bail on their candidate.
Over/under on a brawl somewhere?
Trump supporters arguing in a hall with a bunch of Cruz supporters with a bunch of Rubio supporters with ohhh at least one or two others maybe. All across the state. Trying to convince everyone else to bail on their candidate.
Over/under on a brawl somewhere?
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