Everyone hates Trump for taking the sun away. He won't even compete here.
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Everyone hates Trump for taking the sun away. He won't even compete here.
Basileus777
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A weaker Cruz is still going to stay in the race for a long time and keep splitting the vote. A Trump victory in Iowa doesn't result in a two person race.
Hexa
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platypotamus
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Isn't this illegal?
huh?
That's the joke about that gaudy-ass Trump tower. Casts a damn shadow over the Upper Westside.
User 463088
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Two Corinthians 1:11
Ye also helping together by prayer for us, that for the gift bestowed upon us by the means of many persons thanks may be given by many on our behalf.
bye bobby. care to give me the new avatar hint.
Roland_Gunner
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True, thats why I think Trump is the favorite now, despite not even being that popular among Republicans. The other candidates are too proud to drop out before Super Tuesday. Just saying that limiting the field as much as possible is Rubio's best chance.
It's the bottom line for what 2016 is all about. You won't be the least bit shocked, as it's not very surprising or original.
User 463088
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We are at one hour people. We are at one hour.
Doesn't it start now?
And i have no booze
j_k_redtail
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Kids watch the candidates and give their thoughts:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...p-top-table-main_kids_il_325pm:homepage/story
Spoiler:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...p-top-table-main_kids_il_325pm:homepage/story
Spoiler:
nobody likes Ted Cruz.
http://www.decisiondeskhq.com/
https://www.idpcaucuses.com/#/state
https://www.iagopcaucuses.com/#/state
bunch of links to follow results
https://www.idpcaucuses.com/#/state
https://www.iagopcaucuses.com/#/state
bunch of links to follow results
I LOVE Decision Desk's layout.
Man w/ Glasses
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Somebody call the Fine Brothers.
User 463088
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He's like a living example of how messed up our justice system really is. Dude I'm rich, I can buy my way out of anything. Please commit a crime for me.
But his supporters probably think that's totes awesome!!!!
User 463088
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Chris Matthew throwing men under the bus. I love it.
If the government would get out of their business and stop supporting mooching minorities they'd be rich any day now and have the same privileges!!!!!
disastermouse
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You didn't even see Trump making it this far, did you? Most also seriously thought that she would brush aside Bernie with little effort at all.
Instead, she's fighting to win a caucus that it would have been unthinkable for her to lose just a few months ago.
Hillary will not beat Trump, if that's the way the nominations go.
Calm down man, they are both projected to beat Rump.
Would not be surprised in the slightest.
You know according to CAIR (Council for American-Islamic Relations) - Trump is currently getting 7% of Muslim support.
Which is more than the rest of the GOP candidates combined.
http://www.cair.com/press-center/pr...-voter-survey-ahead-of-primary-elections.html
Don't underestimate his appeal.
shinra-bansho
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I'm not really sure why you all keep responding to that statement. Regardless of how unfounded it is.
Roland_Gunner
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For anyone who actually thinks Trump as a snowballs chance in hell of getting more that 10% of black votes:
75% of young black Americans would want to leave the country if Trump elected.
disastermouse
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You've all seen Trump masterfully manipulate the Republican debates and he's likely going to win Iowa. Clinton has such low enthusiasm that neither the minority vote nor the youth vote will show up for her in the general.
I feel like Cassandra, but there it is.
And_Gignac
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I do also think Hillstans are underestimating Trump, specially once he moderates his message. I mean, I dont want to underplay Sanders appeal, but the fact that Bernie has put her into a corner says a lot about her weakenesses.
Officerrob
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Repeating the same thing over and over doesn't make it true
Low enthusiasm = The new "Low energy"?
disastermouse
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Young black Americans don't vote. They showed up for Obama, but they won't show up for Clinton in the same way. The youth backing Trump are rabid and they will show up.
DataStream
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Something that has been brought up a few times by MSNBC anchors tonight is the fact that Trump will ruthlessly change course for the general and spend more time talking about some of his - rather liberal - economic and trade policies. He could even walk back his rather recent change of heart in becoming fully pro-life (unlikely, but he is a loose cannon). The most interesting thing to watch will be how Fox News and Conservative punditry deals with the leader of their party spouting views antithetical to the rhetoric they have been selling for the last decade.
Will Fox be vindictive after the bs he has been pulling with them?
How will the truly conservative religious right (Huckaby, Cruz, etc.) talk about their candidate?
Will the convention devolve into a segment of the party publically admonishing their presumptive candidate in hopes to force him to fall in line with their views that he obviously doesn't care about?
I don't think this is the Herculean task you seem to portray it as.
disastermouse
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This is what I don't understand about the resistance to the idea that Trump could win.
Hillary is being legit shook by a 74 year old self-proclaimed Democratic Socialist who is stumping on one primary message. Teflon Don has resisted getting destroyed by statements that would have savaged any other republican contender. "47%" would probably boost Trump's ratings, for God's sake! Romney lost because the voters who would have been 'fuck yeah, 47%, man!' didn't believe Romney believed it enough.
If it's Trump vs. Hillary, he gets to take the mantle of Bernie's 'bought and paid for' message and ramp it up to eleven. He gets to go protectionist economically and pull any economic liberalist wind right out of her sails as well.
If it's Hillary vs. Trump, Trump wins.
Aaron Strife
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Muslims are a conservative voting bloc, in fact they used to be heavily GOP until Islamophobia pushed them into the Democratic Party. The fact that Trump is still winning an insignificant chunk of them isn't very surprising.
Abinash117
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Lol, if anything Bernie showed he can't run a campaign. Also I fail to see on how Sanders put Hillary into some kind of corner, as Hillary pretty much always had a guaranteed chance of winning and pretty much had near universal support among Democrats. If you are talking about her views Hillary already announced many of her views before he ran or gained traction. Bernie lucked out in a climate that was slightly skeptical of the establishment( for dems) and a chunk of the demographic that supported more social democratic policies and a demographic that really only cared about economic policies. He was the only one that focused extremely on that subject, so in hindsight isn't unreasonable to think that someone that was laser-focused on those subjects, would get a big chunk of the voting population.
User 85168
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NPR and FiveThirtyEight live coverage has begun.
I'm of the mind that Trump looks significantly weaker when using his rhetoric on a woman. It hurt him with Fiorina that time in the early debate, he has trouble with Megan kelly, and I think that going against Clinton would expose his misogyny moreso than Bernie. But either way, we know the socialist card will get played all year if Bernie gets the nom. So neither will have an effortless run against him. In the end, I don't think trump has the minority vote to beat either Dem.
Four_Chamber
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Despite data (DMR poll for instance) completely and repeatedly proving this refrain false, it continues to be repeated.
It's getting tiring.
Roland_Gunner
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I suppose the fact that 1/3 of young Republicans also picked the "flee the country option" if Trump was elected, or that 40% of Iowa Republicans have negative opinions of him, or that his overall negatives are already higher than any nominee in modern political history concern you either?
Trump has managed to develop a committed base of working class white men who can pull him through a divided Republican field but he's very unpopular among whites with college educations, women, and minorities. You can't get anywhere close to a majority in the general election with those numbers.
Hilary has been running against every candidate on both sides. And Republicans have been running against her since Obama won his second term, Bernie has been running against just Hilary.
Just compare how many times either is spoken about by either the candidates, their campaigns or the networks they like to appear on.
Trump RCP National Average: +16.2% "LOL Trump has got the Republican nomination in the bag."
Clinton RCP National Average: +14.4% and over 50% "This race is neck and neck!"
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