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[teiresias]

Jesus at that anti-Hillary vitriol in the OT.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Massive.

Cuban relations - what about an invasion?
Obamacare? Modified.
Dodd-Frank? Amended to hell.
Iranian deal? ???
The list goes on...

unions? goodbye

 

[tmarg]

True. But that's Iowa and New Hampshire. I am not so confident the South will be as crazy. The establishment finds a way is a GOP motto. I want to believe they'll be wrong this year.

If your fear is that the American south is less crazy than Iowa, I'm pretty sure you are safe.

 

[User1608]

Hillary! Pretty happy for her and the supporters. I like how much she is emphasizing how important the progress we've made must be kept. Continue going forward.

 

[disastermouse]

Hillary! Pretty happy for her and the supporters. I like how much she is emphasizing how important the progress we've made must be kept. Continue going forward.

Yeah....it's bullshit, but she's got to say it.

Gonna make it really hard when she starts pushing TPP again after she wins.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Dave Wasserman ‏@Redistrict 1m1 minute ago
Marco Rubio won 5 of Iowa's 10 largest counties. He won *zero* of the other 89. Yet, this could be his blueprint for victory.

Yup.

 

[Cybit]

I'm beyond scared

I don't think people are as concerned as they should be. Hillary is great - but old, white establishment candidate vs young Latino is scary shit.

Here is my fear

Rubio wins, grabs Condi Rice or Nikki Haley as a running mate.
Clinton wins, grabs Elizabeth Warren as a running mate.

GOP plays the identity card, pitting two established old rich white NE women against two candidates of different races. On top of it, Clinton is deeply unpopular with the conservative leaning folks, and Republicans (as they tend to do) fall in line.

With two immigrants running w/ Haley, the GOP is able to pivot towards the middle in terms of dealing with illegal immigrants here (path to amnesty), while promising to heavily enforce existing immigration laws - immediately swinging asian / working whites / working latino votes closer to the GOP. You can absolutely pound a Clinton / Warren ticket on both race and sex, as well as being out of touch with working class folks.

On top of it, the same political machinery that caused Clinton to lose in 08, and even be threatened by an old white independent socialist from Vermont, rears its ugly head. The banks / big funders of Clinton promptly turn on her for the Warren pickup, and, your rout is on.

 

[Roland_Gunner]

Crowd at the Sanders party is chanting "YOU ARE A LIAR" at Hillary on TV

Classy.

 

[VendettaRed07]

Hillary triumph speech.


I just.... She better know something we don't know

 

[sc0la]

If Rubio wins NH; you might be able to call the GOP primary over.

I do not like the Rubio / Clinton matchup. Way, way too close. Especially if he goes Condi Rice / Nikki Haley or someone young & non-white (or a young white female) as a VP pick. All the taunting the Dems have done about demographic advantage will come back to haunt them; especially if Rubio is able to pivot back to the middle about immigration (which he may be able to in a short-term attention span campaign like this one has been turning out to be).

Lol Rubio + Black Woman isn't going to suddenly make the republican platform palatable to black people and Latinos.

Condo + Rubio would not gain meaningful shares in either demo from the democrats

 

[Y2Kev]

How in the fucking world is the electoral system so bad in this country? Four hours after old ladies count teenagers screaming fuck at each other in gyms...we still don't even know what happened.

 

[User1608]

Yeah....it's bullshit, but she's got to say it.

Gonna make it really hard when she starts pushing TPP again after she wins.

I'm not going to disregard the other positives. I don't agree with her on everything but I do believe with her we can continue to make decent, incremental progress instead of stalling or regressing by a large degree overall, socially and economically.

I do agree TPP sucks and can die in a fire.

 

[B-Dubs]

Hillary triumph speech.


I just.... She better know something we don't know

From what's left to come in, I'd be really odd if she didn't win.

 

[PBY]

If Rubio wins, Dems gotta cut the shit w this Bernie v Hillary. I know she'll get most of the vote, but cmon. Like what is this helping. Bermies path to victory is dead. Let's focus on the real deal.

 

[Avon Barksdale]

Here is my fear

Rubio wins, grabs Condi Rice or Nikki Haley as a running mate.
Clinton wins, grabs Elizabeth Warren as a running mate.

GOP plays the identity card, pitting two established old rich white NE women against two candidates of different races. On top of it, Clinton is deeply unpopular with the conservative leaning folks, and Republicans (as they tend to do) fall in line.

With two immigrants running w/ Haley, the GOP is able to pivot towards the middle in terms of dealing with illegal immigrants here (path to amnesty), while promising to heavily enforce existing immigration laws - immediately swinging asian / working whites / working latino votes closer to the GOP. You can absolutely pound a Clinton / Warren ticket on both race and sex, as well as being out of touch with working class folks.

On top of it, the same political machinery that caused Clinton to lose in 08, and even be threatened by an old white independent socialist from Vermont, rears its ugly head. The banks / big funders of Clinton promptly turn on her for the Warren pickup, and, your rout is on.

An all-minority GOP ticket is never going to happen.

 

[JesseEwiak]

Here is my fear

Rubio wins, grabs Condi Rice or Nikki Haley as a running mate.
Clinton wins, grabs Elizabeth Warren as a running mate.

GOP plays the identity card, pitting two established old rich white NE women against two candidates of different races. On top of it, Clinton is deeply unpopular with the conservative leaning folks, and Republicans (as they tend to do) fall in line.

With two immigrants running w/ Haley, the GOP is able to pivot towards the middle in terms of dealing with illegal immigrants here (path to amnesty), while promising to heavily enforce existing immigration laws - immediately swinging asian / working whites / working latino votes closer to the GOP. You can absolutely pound a Clinton / Warren ticket on both race and sex, as well as being out of touch with working class folks.

On top of it, the same political machinery that caused Clinton to lose in 08, and even be threatened by an old white independent socialist from Vermont, rears its ugly head. The banks / big funders of Clinton promptly turn on her for the Warren pickup, and, your rout is on.

Condi "Pro-choice, pro-affirmative action, pro-Iraq War" Rice is not a viable choice for VP in an era where Trump and Cruz are getting 50% of the primary vote.

 

[Cybit]

Lol Rubio + Black Woman isn't going to suddenly make the republican platform palatable to black people and Latinos.

Condo + Rubio would not gain meaningful shares in either demo from the democrats

In a world where everyone harps on representation and has their race being a stronger part of their identity then ever before?

You swing asians, blacks, and hispanics 10% towards the GOP (and mind you, that's replacing Obama with Clinton, so factor that in as well) - and the GOP wins the election. (Add in a drop in turnout for blacks, and it starts becoming an ass kicking)

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-swing-the-election/

An all-minority GOP ticket is never going to happen.

Two of the three top GOP and three of the top 4 are not white. (Cruz, Trump, Rubio, Carson). Don't be so sure. Their great hope last time was Jindal (lol) and they gave the rebuttal speech to Haley this year. It could happen.

Condi "Pro-choice, pro-affirmative action, pro-Iraq War" Rice is not a viable choice for VP in an era where Trump and Cruz are getting 50% of the primary vote.

They picked McCain (someone who was liberal enough in the previous election that he almost ended up running as the Democratic VP pick) in 2008 and the Mormon moderate governor of Massachusetts who created Obamacare in 2012. They got driven crazy by Obama winning, and now their second worst fear, Clinton, might become president?

Do not doubt what the GOP will do to try to win. Especially if they start using the argument that SCOTUS needs to be won at all costs to overturn Roe v Wade and Obergefell (I don't think they can get ACA now that Roberts has ruled for it)

 

[benjipwns]

Someone summarize how the freepers are reacting

Spoiler

I can't go over there

I just did this.

They're surprisingly cordial compared to something like the Iowa Caucus thread here on GAF.

Or say...DU:

bigdarryl (12,707 posts)
9. Mark Thompson is reporting that a lot of republicans are voting in the democratic Party Caucus

The speculation is there voting for Sanders to deny Hillary a win because they want Sanders the nominee.Mark is in Iowa at the Sanders headquarters

humbled_opinion (3,771 posts)
31. I am not sure I would believe it

I remember the repups said Mitt had won Iowa only to find out later it was in fact Santorum.... This is premature how does she get away with these nasty tricks...

bowens43 (15,796 posts)
4. yep thats hillary votes not counted but the arrogant egomaniac already declaring victory

how can anyone consider voting for this horrible woman?

SusanCalvin (3,453 posts)
60. Too late for me to do supporting research now.

You know, I was going to cite everything I remember off the top of my head, but my turning point was the "I'm OK, McCain's OK, but I dunno about that Obama guy." Caused me to make my first-ever pre-general contribution. To Obama.

Star Member JohnnyRingo (10,825 posts)
92. I've been driven to her by people like you.

The vile comments about Hillary have made me feel for her and I don't want anyone to think I'm one of the Bernie's supporters who appear to take notes from Rush Limbaugh.

I began last year not especially fond of Ms Clinton but was eventually repulsed by Sanders' supporters here on DU who call her everything but a feminazi. Lately they've even gone after her husband calling him one of the worst presidents in history. I rather like Bernie, but I don't want to be associated with supporters like you.

StrictlyRockers (1,988 posts)
9. It's bullshit. There are still tons of precincts to count, many large precincts that are pro-Bernie

Declaring victory now is way premature.

Jarqui (1,272 posts)
82. What a child she is

 

[QuiteWhittle]

Massive.

Cuban relations - what about an invasion?
Obamacare? Modified.
Dodd-Frank? Amended to hell.
Iranian deal? ???
The list goes on...

Reagan or Nixon had a Dem congress.
Dems were still competitive at the state-level nationwide under Bush and the majorities in Congress were, for the most part, thin.

What's going to stop Rubio, the most conservative Republican nominee since Goldwater? Shit's scary man.

 

[GnawtyDog]

An all-minority GOP ticket is never going to happen.

Rubio/Haley are minority on paper, but they don't look minority.

 

[Roland_Gunner]

If Rubio wins, Dems gotta cut the shit w this Bernie v Hillary. I know she'll get most of the vote, but cmon. Like what is this helping. Bermies path to victory is dead. Let's focus on the real deal.

Rubio came in THIRD. I get that he is, by far, the most dangerous Republican candidate but he's also run a bland, uninspiring campaign and just got stomped by the least liked politician in the Senate. Frankly I think this degree of freaking out is a disservice to Hispanic voters. They've watched the last several months and know who is on their side.

 

[Teggy]

Urgh, just tightened to .2 again.

 

[disastermouse]

If Rubio wins, Dems gotta cut the shit w this Bernie v Hillary. I know she'll get most of the vote, but cmon. Like what is this helping. Bermies path to victory is dead. Let's focus on the real deal.

Never. If Bernie's not the nominee, I'm voting Green. Jill Stein!

And if she performs better than she's expected to, Hillary will know exactly where those votes came from.

 

[VendettaRed07]

From what's left to come in, I'd be really odd if she didn't win.

It would be odd but it's possible. It's going to look really bad if she doesn't at this point.

However a necessary win for Hillary if she did. Seeing as there was a high turnout, this really hurts Sanders narrative that she can only win if people are apathetic and no one turns out. And that he can start this political revolution with his exciting rhetoric.

 

[PBY]

Rubio came in THIRD. I get that he is, by far, the most dangerous Republican candidate but he's also run a bland, uninspiring campaign and just got stomped by the least liked politician in the Senate. Frankly I think this degree of freaking out is a disservice to Hispanic voters. They've watched the last several months and know who is on their side.

Listen. I get it. I'm Cuban and I totally understand his polling w Latinos.

I just keep seeing them on a debate stage together and think the optics are TERRIBLE for the dems.

 

[ProfessorMoran]

Rubio/Haley are minority on paper, but they don't look minority.

Haley is American born of sikh immigrant parents, what is she supposed to look like?

 

[ugaboga232]

Hillary won by delegates though right? Well was fun feeling excited about something even if it was mostly bullshit.

 

[Cesare Borgia]

Sanders is an absolute fool for coming out this late. He should have come out first and gave the trademark speech about the pundits and doubters being wrong. This makes no sense.

 

[ProfessorMoran]

Sanders is an absolute fool for coming out this late. He should have come out first and gave the trademark speech about the pundits and doubters being wrong. This makes no sense.

Bernie should have attacked Hillary on the email issue from the get-go.

 

[benjipwns]

Rubio seems like he'll take Polk, Dallas and Story counties. Guess his strategy paid off, whatever that's worth.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Bernie should have attacked Hillary on the email issue from the get-go.

Smerconish?

 

[QuiteWhittle]

Never. If Bernie's not the nominee, I'm voting Green. Jill Stein!

And if she performs better than she's expected to, Hillary will know exactly where those votes came from.

If Stein gets over 5% of the vote then I hope Republicans use their wide-reaching power to repeal the Commerce Clause. Only half-joking.

 

[Black Republican]

Carly Fiorina
‏@CarlyFiorina
Boarding our plane. See you soon, New Hampshire. Check our schedule here: http://goo.gl/QbCXma

 

[Clefargle]

Never. If Bernie's not the nominee, I'm voting Green. Jill Stein!

And if she performs better than she's expected to, Hillary will know exactly where those votes came from.

So sad that you would let others that can't afford to not have a dem president suffer the consequences of a possible republican controlled government again

 

[PantherLotus]

Sanders is an absolute fool for coming out this late. He should have come out first and gave the trademark speech about the pundits and doubters being wrong. This makes no sense.

Yes now is the time he should definitely start listening to traditional wisdom

 

[Cheebo]

Yes now is the time he should definitely start listening to traditional wisdom

Well he lost Iowa so sure.

 

[benjipwns]

If Stein gets over 5% of the vote then I hope Republicans use their wide-reaching power to repeal the Commerce Clause. Only half-joking.

Now, now, we don't need to go that far. We just need to overturn the absurdity that is Wickard.

So sad that you would let others that can't afford to not have a dem president suffer the consequences of a possible republican controlled government again

I don't think disastermouse is allowed to decide the election alone.

 

[eBay Huckster]

I don't think disastermouse is allowed to decide the election alone.

What if disastermouse secretly has an army of

Spoiler

naturalized citizen

clones in California?

 

[Roland_Gunner]

Sanders is such a mensch. I hope Clinton effectively uses him as a surrogate, assuming she eventually wins.

 

[benjipwns]

What if disastermouse secretly has an army of

Spoiler

naturalized citizen

clones in California?

ONLY 55 ELECTORAL VOTES THAT ARE ALREADY EARMARKED FOR THE DEMOCRATS

This is exactly what I would expect from a hardcore pro-Hillary shill.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Sanders is such a mensch. I hope Clinton effectively uses him as a surrogate, assuming she eventually wins.

I Iliterally was going to post this. He'd be such a good surrogate for colleges and getting the youth vote out

 

[Cybit]

Listen. I get it. I'm Cuban and I totally understand his polling w Latinos.

I just keep seeing them on a debate stage together and think the optics are TERRIBLE for the dems.

Lets say Rubio wins and they grab Haley as VP pick; while Clinton grabs Warren (or O'Malley).

They're gonna walk out with Rubio, Haley, Jindal, and maybe even bust out Bush's kid (half-mexican and half caucasian) and maybe even Carson. They're gonna put a picture up of Clinton, Sanders, Warren, and O'Malley - and just go "One of these groups likes to talk about race and gender representation. One of these groups actually has representation. The difference is on this stage, right now."

Identity beats Reason. One of these days, the Dems (except Obama, who already did) will figure this out.

 

[JesseEwiak]

Lets say Rubio wins and they grab Haley as VP pick; while Clinton grabs Warren (or O'Malley).

They're gonna walk out with Rubio, Cruz, Haley, Jindal, and maybe even bust out Bush's kid (half-mexican and half caucasian) and maybe even Carson. They're gonna put a picture up of Clinton, Sanders, Warren, and O'Malley - and just go "One of these groups likes to talk about race and gender representation. One of these groups actually has representation. The difference is on this stage, right now."

The Castro's, Kamala Harris, Catherine Cortez Masto, Donna Edwards, Deval Patrick one of hundreds of local representatives that are of color, and oh yeah - BARACK OBAMA

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Lets say Rubio wins and they grab Haley as VP pick; while Clinton grabs Warren (or O'Malley).

They're gonna walk out with Rubio, Haley, Jindal, and maybe even bust out Bush's kid (half-mexican and half caucasian) and maybe even Carson. They're gonna put a picture up of Clinton, Sanders, Warren, and O'Malley - and just go "One of these groups likes to talk about race and gender representation. One of these groups actually has representation. The difference is on this stage, right now."

Identity beats Reason. One of these days, the Dems (except Obama, who already did) will figure this out.

... I don't know think many Latinos identity with Rubio.

If it was look alone, then the Dems are on their way to a crushing victory by nominating a white woman (which white women are the largest voting block), but white women that are not Democrats obviously don't love Hillary that much.

 

[eBay Huckster]

ONLY 55 ELECTORAL VOTES THAT ARE ALREADY EARMARKED FOR THE DEMOCRATS

HE ONLY NEEDS THREE MILLION CLONES

Spoiler

wait, if you had a big enough clone army, why wouldn't you just swing every state to the communists

 

[cartoon_soldier]

I wouldn't worry about black turnout if Hillary is nominee. Obama will assure and work tirelessly to deliver a big win and margin there.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

HE ONLY NEEDS THREE MILLION CLONES

Spoiler

wait, if you had a big enough clone army, why wouldn't you just swing every state to the communists

Quick ask Hillary and Bern where they stand on Clone voting.

 

[Cybit]

The Castro's, Kamala Harris, Catherine Cortez Masto, Donna Edwards, Deval Patrick one of hundreds of local representatives that are of color, and oh yeah - BARACK OBAMA

They got the president. If Obama gets fully involved in the campaign - I think he will probably turn the tide himself. The message of hope is starting to re-resonate with a lot of people (kicked off by the hyper smart SotU this year) - and if he gets out fully on the trail - I don't think even a fully ready Rubio + RNC can stop him. But I don't know for sure how hardcore he will be campaigning. (He might have to, you know, do his job or something)

There's a reason Castro is being talked up as a potential VP pick (this is why I think going with Warren would be disastrous for Clinton)

But the GOP is gonna go "Hey, are any of those people in leadership? Got any governors? Anyone who has responsibility?" The part people aren't fully getting I think is this: you don't need to get the majority of latinos or blacks or asians to vote you. You're talking 10% (on an absolute scale, not relative) more on each one of those, and, bam, GOP win. If black voter turnout drops to non Obama levels? Even less.

I don't think Cruz can get that; I don't think any of the candidates besides Rubio (establishment backing, good looking, young, etc) and Trump (because I am never counting him out after watching the last few months) have a chance against Clinton. But people are really, really counting the GOP out, even though, by all historic measures, we're primed for a GOP president.

 

[Black Republican]

Tim Scott endorsing Rubio is good for him. Wondering if any momentum can split up SC between the trio again

 

[Roland_Gunner]

Lets say Rubio wins and they grab Haley as VP pick; while Clinton grabs Warren (or O'Malley).

Identity beats Reason. One of these days, the Dems (except Obama, who already did) will figure this out.

If both of these statements are true then the Republicans would have a very serious risk of losing the white working class. If Trump has shown anything its that those votes aren't locked down. Maintaining their base and getting minority votes is much, much more complex that what you're laying out.