Manmademan
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Bye Fiorina
also, interesting question from the CNN/ORC poll:
say goodbye to the "trump is no one's second choice" narrative.
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Bye Fiorina
also, interesting question from the CNN/ORC poll:
say goodbye to the "trump is no one's second choice" narrative.
yay!
Black Mamba
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uh, this is bad news.
They really are scrambling around for anything.
Once again the strategy of the entire Right seems to be focused on trying to discredit the candidate with tenuous and petty claims and accusations rather than building great policy positions of their own and attacking the policy of the candidate. Pretty much the same as how the GOP field is attacking amongst each other.
Will be about as effective as "pals around with terrorists" was.
It's just business as usual again, with maybe a few months of goodwill before the same old story happens again and the right turns on him like they turned on Boehner.
What were you hoping for?
Black Mamba
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Ryan is about as far-right economically as you're gonna get and that's bad news.
Ryan is a hard-liner. Much more so than Boehner ever was. I'd much rather him turn down the job and force Boehner to stay. I'd much rather there be dysfunction than him. Dysfuntion would have hurt them in next year's election.
Ryan may fail but he also has the potential to be much stronger in hard-line positions than Boehner. And he will be given credit for every deal actually made by the press. This is not good news for any Dem, imo.
I agree with you.
But, short of there being a GOP-Democratic coalition this is as "good" as it can get because it's either Ryan or some fuckwit from the Freedom Caucus.
I am surprised Cathy McMorris Rodgers didn't aggressively pursue this though.
Hardline policies also hurt. I much prefer him to the other candidates.
Black Mamba
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He IS the hardliner. When did he become the moderate? Ryan is about as far-right as you can get in the real world.
Freedom Caucus was never getting anyone to become speaker, diablos. Boehner would have stayed or some no-name more moderate person would have taken the reigns at some point.
Paul Ryan is pretty much the Freedom Caucus, just probably slightly not willing to go as far to destroy the world.
bodyofanamerican
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The whole reason Ryan didn't want to be Speaker is that he knows if he has the job he has to be relatively responsible and can't lob bombs from the sidelines and take "no" votes on things like the debt limit anymore.
That's why he's telling the FC to shut up and get in line.
Also, he's no more influential as Speaker than as W+M chairman (read: very) within the party. If he wanted a vote on something, he'd just have to ask Boehner.
That's why he's telling the FC to shut up and get in line.
Also, he's no more influential as Speaker than as W+M chairman (read: very) within the party. If he wanted a vote on something, he'd just have to ask Boehner.
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thepotatoman
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Sounds like what we've been hearing over the weekend. Ryan's demands are pretty large because he doesn't care if he doesn't get the job and the Freedom Caucus isn't sure what to think about it. They're basically giving up the control they had over the speaker in exchange for a speaker they like a little better.
Sounds like what we've been hearing over the weekend. Ryan's demands are pretty large because he doesn't care if he doesn't get the job and the Freedom Caucus isn't sure what to think about it. They're basically giving up the control they had over the speaker in exchange for a speaker they like a little better.
Peeking over at FreeRepublic, they really don't want Ryan. Seems like freepers (and Breitbarters, etc) need to start calling their Freedom Caucus reps, reminding them of what David Brat did to Eric Cantor.
Mitt Romney: Heres why Id rather not have Paul Ryan as speaker
Nice.
Nice.
Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney (R) says that there's one major downside to Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wisconsin) becoming the next speaker of the House.
In an interview with CNN on Sunday, the former Republican presidential nominee said he was concerned that if Ryan takes on the job as speaker, it may spoil the congressman's chances for potential future White House run.
In an interview with CNN on Sunday, the former Republican presidential nominee said he was concerned that if Ryan takes on the job as speaker, it may spoil the congressman's chances for potential future White House run.
Manmademan
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Told y'all about ted cruz
Retromelon
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fiorina melted away like the wicked witch of the west
california get it
california get it
Thats so good, why don't i read drudgeDrudge's headline is SOOOOO GOOOD!
I can see her passing Jeb or Marco if she shows up to the debate.
shinra-bansho
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Polling generally aims to reflect the nature of the electorate, rather than to specifically please your needs.
I don't really know what your first point is supposed to mean. They did breakdown the over 45s into two groups 46-65 and 65+.
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thepotatoman
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They'll probably have to take him out of that district before 2018 given how much people hate speakers these days.
FloydtheFathead
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Drudge's headline is SOOOOO GOOOD!
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He really should have told them to get bent.
yes indeed. If there is a wave next year and Ryan is shared in the blame watch out. I did not know he was in a +3 district. Walker and the legislature did not draw his lines more Republican?
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thepotatoman
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Probably didn't think they needed too. His seat is super safe right now. Just might not be after the stink of leadership rubs off on him.
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thepotatoman
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Retromelon
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There was probably a long, desperate lecture pleading the freedom caucus to accept ryan, and stern reminders that they better not throw into the trash the chance to dominate the the house, white house and senate.
If i were one of them that would leave me sober too
And sometimes i will hatewatch sean hannity
If i were one of them that would leave me sober too
Hee hee but i read wonkette don't i
And sometimes i will hatewatch sean hannity
Because you prefer not to have you eyeballs spontaneously combust in your skull?
RustyNails
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I honestly don't see the Freeper Caucus agreeing Ryan's bid for speaker, especially after the way the news got out; "I will be a speaker only if the idiots shut up and get in line". I would expect him to get shot down really fast and frankly speaking, I see Paul Ryan wanting to get shot down so he's finally out of the circus, which is why he is going about this in an ostensibly boneheaded way. I don't really blame him.
Reid poisoning the waters. Lol.
Reid poisoning the waters. Lol.
Democratic or Republican debate? Or both?
Aaron Strife
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Cory Gardner's spokesman was complaining about Reid's endorsement saying he was trying to stoke division. Like its controversial to say someone from the other party might be a workable alternative? lol
I mean don't get me wrong. That's totally what he's doing. This is the "Obama endorses oxygen, Republicans stop breathing" play.
Uh oh, I got the wrong date.
They're going so fucking hard against him, damn.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...-job-u-s-lawmaker-put-shoes-foreign-citizens/
Who do they think they can get instead?
http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...-job-u-s-lawmaker-put-shoes-foreign-citizens/
Who do they think they can get instead?
shinra-bansho
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Clinton campaign seems to have gaffed a bit with the list of mayors thing.
Poodlestrike
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2 things:
Firstly: in principle, Biden is right. In practice, he's wrong. You cannot govern without consensus, but when the entire purpose of the other side's tenure in congress is to kill any potential consensus... there's not much point in courting them. Do what you can without them, and don't bother pussyfooting around about it. They're not gonna suddenly become responsible statesmen 'cause you were polite.
Secondly: I'm now totally convinced that the only way this Speaker thing is going to be resolved is if Boehner just sticks around (no resolution at all) or the next Speaker gets in with D votes, which would necessitate either a really moderate republican, or one that makes massive concessions.
Firstly: in principle, Biden is right. In practice, he's wrong. You cannot govern without consensus, but when the entire purpose of the other side's tenure in congress is to kill any potential consensus... there's not much point in courting them. Do what you can without them, and don't bother pussyfooting around about it. They're not gonna suddenly become responsible statesmen 'cause you were polite.
Secondly: I'm now totally convinced that the only way this Speaker thing is going to be resolved is if Boehner just sticks around (no resolution at all) or the next Speaker gets in with D votes, which would necessitate either a really moderate republican, or one that makes massive concessions.
Retromelon
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I love it. Joe is what this country needs.
I can almost hear those words in bens toneless, rambling delivery if i close my eyes
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Who said it: Ben Carson or the head of the Israeli government?
Coriolanus
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If he takes the position soon, he'll be forced to deal with the government shutdown. No matter which stance he takes there, he'll take a hit.
long term it's win win.
shinra-bansho
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If he isn't in he should probably keep his unhappiness to himself really.
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