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PoliGAF 2015 |OT2| Pls print

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I wish people, left and right, would quit comparing Syrian refugees with gun rights. I see this from liberal and conservative friends.

Those two things are not similar in any way.
whoops, I just did that. Compared accidental gun deaths per year vs deaths to terrorism on us soil per year.

lol how does that even happen? it's not like they're drawing the map themselves
Maybe somebody wanted to exclude the only blue block.
 

Teggy

Member
It's like some designer said, "the map won't fit with this text layout" and some higher up said, "I want the NO really big, just make it fit!" And the designer said, "if you say so...heh heh heh"
 

ivysaur12

Banned
If Hillary is losing Colorado by 11 points to Trump, she has bigger issues than Colorado. She would have to be careful about losing New York and Rhode Island!
 
Maybe somebody wanted to exclude the only blue block.

It's not that they excluded a blue block, it's that they literally redrew the map with states in the wrong place. It would be like taking Texas, inverting it, and sticking it on top of Montana. Doesn't matter what color you make it, that's not how geography works.

For reference, here's an actual map of the United States. Pay close attention to the Northeastern corner.

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Bowdz

Member
It's funny how kneejerk the GOP is about refugees. Do I see a potential threat? Sure. I certainly think we should require a lot of extra discretion when it comes to who we are and are not allowing to come here particularly in light of recent events.

But frankly I'm just as afraid of getting shot by a fellow American who has lost their mind and has access to a firearm. It happens everywhere now. It doesn't matter who you are, where you live, what you're doing.

Nearly 300 if not more people have been murdered in Baltimore so far this year. That's more than in Paris, and I realize the circumstances are different as it is more confined per se, but let's stop acting like we never had to worry about succumbing to senseless violence before these attacks.

I couldn't agree more. The disconnect between the GOP's "LETS BURN THE MIDDLE EAST TO THE GROUND!" and their "lol, shit happens" response to domestic shootings is simply infuriating.
 
I couldn't agree more. The disconnect between the GOP's "LETS BURN THE MIDDLE EAST TO THE GROUND!" and their "lol, shit happens" response to domestic shootings is simply infuriating.

I wish policymakers, including the president, would start explicitly referring to perpetrators of mass shootings as terrorists.

Because that's exactly what they are. We deal with numerous instances of domestic terrorism every single year and we need to start calling a spade a spade.
 
As we commend France for their civility, let's not overlook how insane the FN is and how they're undoubtedly going to get a huge boost in support from last week's attack.

The French far-right could make some pretty massive gains in 2017.
 
whoops, I just did that. Compared accidental gun deaths per year vs deaths to terrorism on us soil per year.


Maybe somebody wanted to exclude the only blue block.

It's useful as an attention getter, but my FB feed is full of people calling out the supposed hypocrisy of the left *and* right using that example. As if the proposed policies on either are that binary or simple.
 
As we commend France for their civility, let's not overlook how insane the FN is and how they're undoubtedly going to get a huge boost in support from last week's attack.

The French far-right could make some pretty massive gains in 2017.

Which is why Hollande shouldn't indulge in xenophobic rhetoric for even a milisecond. It'll only empower them.
 
Ted Cruz To Obama: 'Come Back And Insult Me To My Face'

Cruz was responding to Obama's recent criticism of Republicans suggesting there be a religious test for Syrian refugees seeking entrance to the country, a plan he called "shameful" and "not American" while in Turkey for the Group of 20 summit.

"If you want to insult me, you can do it overseas, you can do it in Turkey, you can do it in foreign countries. But I would encourage you, Mr. President, come back and insult me to my face," Cruz said, staring directly into the camera.

Cruz got even more schoolyard, challenging the President to a debate any place, any time.

"Let's have a debate on Syrian refugees, right now. We can do it anywhere you want. I would prefer it in the United States and not overseas," the Republican presidential candidate said. "We'll do it on any station."

Cruz also called Obama's remarks "utterly unfitting of a President."
 
This is what it's come to after a tragedy? I can't even imagine how fucked up we would be if something happened in the US. The 9/12 unity will never happen again.

We might actually get those physical fights that break out in parliaments and congress in other countries you see sometimes.
 
Does Cruz want to get his ass beat? He's sounding a lot like that short, weak kid on the block who always talks shit and eventually gets his ass beat when someone gets sick of his shit.
If Obama were to engage him it would give him a veneer of legitimacy, and if he doesn't he gets to crow about Obama being too weak to engage him. It's a great strategy.
 
It's useful as an attention getter, but my FB feed is full of people calling out the supposed hypocrisy of the left *and* right using that example. As if the proposed policies on either are that binary or simple.
I merely used it for perspective.

France announcing they're still taking in refugees blows the door off the matter.

Edit: sorry for the dp
 

Cerium

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Trump rising in Florida. Jeb in single digits, fourth place.

Despite predictions of his collapse, Donald Trump is getting stronger in Florida’s Republican primary, a new poll shows.

The overall share of the GOP vote Trump now earns stands at 36 percent, according to a new Florida Atlantic University poll. Trump’s lead has increased by about 4 percentage points since FAU last polled the race in September.

It’s the opposite story with former governor Jeb Bush, who is pulling just 9 percent and is in fourth place for the fourth straight Florida poll. He has lost 2 percentage points since FAU’s September survey. The primary is March 15.

“Despite conjecture that Donald Trump has plateaued, his support in Florida remains very strong and could be growing,” FAU’s associate political science professor Kevin Wagner said in a news release.

Aside from Trump, U.S. Sen. Rubio has consistently started to eclipse Bush, his former mentor, at home.

Rubio is in a distant second in the GOP race with just 18 percent support — half of Trump’s lead
and a decrease of about 1 percentage point since September. Dr. Ben Carson is catching up to Rubio and received about 15 percent support (a roughly 5-point increase) and Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas nearly doubled his support since September, with 10 percent.
 

benjipwns

Banned
As we commend France for their civility, let's not overlook how insane the FN is and how they're undoubtedly going to get a huge boost in support from last week's attack.

The French far-right could make some pretty massive gains in 2017.
They were already looking to be significant.

Le Pen's only polling into the run-off for the last two years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_French_presidential_election,_2017

Also, while you're there check out how well that Hollande-Le Pen run-off was going for him.

This was from back in March, black is FN:
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They only finished first in the European elections too.
 
no one can beat cruz's ass. he is a master of rhetoric. the only one on the republican side who could potentially best him intellectually is Rand Paul
 
They were already looking to be significant.

Le Pen's only polling into the run-off for the last two years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_French_presidential_election,_2017

Also, while you're there check out how well that Hollande-Le Pen run-off was going for him.

This was from back in March, black is FN:

They only finished first in the European elections too.

Tbh, as the polling indicates, Sarkozy most likely has the next election in the bag.

Unless Hollande stops being oh so very droll.
 

benjipwns

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Poland just went over to a Law and Justice majority. The Danish People's party moved into second and gained 15 seats recently.

The last Dutch polls showed VVD (center-right) and Labour falling from a combined 76 seats (out of 150) to 39. While Geert Wilders' party jumps from 12 to 38.

The Swedish Democrats are way more popular too:
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Lega Nord is third in Italy.

Those are two or three years away like France, but the European landscape is becoming interesting.
 

benjipwns

Banned
Tbh, as the polling indicates, Sarkozy most likely has the next election in the bag.

Unless Hollande stops being oh so very droll.
No shot for Juppe getting the nom?

Benji, why is that graph so big when the lines barely go anywhere? What's the point in having it go to 2018?
Polling from last election to the next.

The Sweden Democrats (yellow line) already made themselves the third party last election and now they're competitive with the two main parties, it's nuts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_general_election,_2014
 

ivysaur12

Banned
Europe is trending towards non-traditional right-wing, populist, Le Pen-esque politics on the whole. It's all protectionism and nationalism that's driving this in the face of immigration.
 
Their neighbor is pretty fun too:

Man, don't bring that up. Funky Papa is probably still sad.

Europe is trending towards non-traditional right-wing, populist, Le Pen-esque politics on the whole. It's all protectionism and nationalism that's driving this in the face of immigration.

Not entirely. The countries that haven been hit by austerity the hardest seem to be receiving increasing levels of support for leftist movements.

Spain's just imploded before they took power, is all.
 

ivysaur12

Banned
The Trump/Michael Savage wing of politics.

I thought I'd be nicer and go to with a real politician.

Not entirely. The countries that haven been hit by austerity the hardest seem to be receiving increasing levels of support for leftist movements.

Spain's just imploded before they took power, is all.

I'd be curious to see if any others outside of Greece are able to actually win an election. Podemos was a sad trombone sound.
 
I'd be curious to see if any others outside of Greece are able to actually win an election. Podemos was a sad trombone sound.

Yeah, Greece and Tsipras's gargantuan incompetence kinda made it harder for all of them, since now the illusion that you could convince the other countries to stop being fuckwits is permanently dispelled and exit from the EMU is the only recourse.

A far bitter pill to swallow, obv.
 

benjipwns

Banned
Norway's Labor Party is up from 30% to 40%, but their Socialist Left one is either holding steady or going to get wiped out depending on the poll you're looking at. (Poland's left-wing party lost every single one of their 51 seats the other week. A Christian Democrat party is now the farthest left-wing party in their parliament. While a neo-right punk rocker who didn't really campaign or find candidates for his seats, so they're going to what some call borderline neo-nazi's, got 42 of those.)

And Labor's up but you still have the three main "right parties" at like 25-15-5 so the likely coalitions are still like 50/50.

The one neo-right party that's getting battered are The Finns/True Finns, lost like half their support in the polls.

It's almost like these are all different places with their own issues and situations. Which is nuts I know, but hear me out and work with me on theory here.
 

benjipwns

Banned
The fun thing about Canada is there were lots of tears to go around, NDP, Conservatives, Green Party.

Even Liberals who won realizing Justin Trudeau is now PM.
 
I merely used it for perspective.

France announcing they're still taking in refugees blows the door off the matter.

Edit: sorry for the dp

Yeah, yours was fine. The people using it as some sort of gotcha or thinking that the two are comparable in terms of policy-- they're getting to me today.
 

Bowdz

Member
I wish policymakers, including the president, would start explicitly referring to perpetrators of mass shootings as terrorists.

Because that's exactly what they are. We deal with numerous instances of domestic terrorism every single year and we need to start calling a spade a spade.

Hear, hear.
 

benjipwns

Banned
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/11/18/3723348/indiana-lgbt-road-map-to-discrimination/

Indiana gonna Indiana. Can't copy and paste much because I am on mobile, but the GOP gonna GOP against LGBT.
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The bill, which will be known as Senate Bill 100, does add “sexual orientation” and “gender identity” to the state’s nondiscrimination laws as it claims to. However, it expends far more words to limit the extent of those protections, making them all but worthless to most plaintiffs. Here are some of the many “religious liberty” compromises the bill demands:

Religious organizations are free to discriminate.
All religious or religious-affiliated organizations are exempt from the bill’s provisions related to sexual orientation and gender identity only.

Small businesses are free to discriminate.
Further enabling special discrimination against LGBT people, the Indiana bill contains special exemptions for businesses with fewer than four full-time employees to refuse to serve same-sex couples.

Bathroom discrimination may still be allowed.
The bill’s exemption for bathrooms is unclear, but seems to favor the profiling of transgender people to refuse them access.
Businesses may maintain separate restrooms and locker rooms, and may also “establish, use, and enforce rules and policies” related to their usage.

Cities are prohibited from extending their own LGBT protections.
Borrowing from yet another anti-LGBT policy established in Arkansas earlier this year and Tennessee in 2011, the Indiana bill prohibits local municipalities from passing any protections that extend beyond the state’s limitations.

Victims of discrimination are disincentivized from filing a complaint.
In a novel addition to the other tricks that help enable anti-LGBT discrimination, two different provisions in the bill actually attempts to scare and disincentivize individuals out of filing complaints.
If a complaint is found to be “frivolous” or “intended to harm the subject of the complaint” — terms that are not defined elsewhere — the complainant could be subjected to a $1,000 penalty.
 
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