If half the stories that circulated about him this cycle are true the GOP could have had a Lazzio situation on their hands had he won.
Haley would still be their best bet though.
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If half the stories that circulated about him this cycle are true the GOP could have had a Lazzio situation on their hands had he won.
Haley would still be their best bet though.
Black Mamba
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Welp.
Given another year or so he might actually figure out how these things work on his own.
David Duke's face is just fucking weird. He has the "I've made Horcruxes" look I guess?
Legitimately surprised to see a normal-looking teenage girl at a Klan rally
Spoiled Milk
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I'm not sure. I want to say that Tim Russert was unique and so when he died we just lost that, but there are tons of journalists itching to grill politicians today. So I think, sadly, there must be structural incentives to sideline people like that into opinion programs or panels. Whenever Fareed gets someone on, he's usually pretty tough, but sadly he doesn't do a lot of interviews. Maybe Charlie Rose asks tough questions but he's not nearly as popular as MTP.
Same. To this day my dad still thinks they killed Tim Russert because he was "problematic".
Just asking questions.
They've actually got an entire corner dedicated to Russert at the journalism museum in DC, they reproduced his set and everything. Dude was a legend in the industry.
Cesare Borgia
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While I agree this makes the most sense, the problem is that the GOP establishment has lost control of the party on the base level. Right now the GOP primaries are set up in such a way that southern states have huge impact on the early stages of the process. If a fringe candidate can survive past NH, he or she can overcome the establishment candidate throughout the south. Trump voters aren't going anywhere, nor is anti-immigration sentiment. I can't see Kasich channeling into that, whereas a Ted Cruz...Tom Cotton...or even Trump again will do it easily.
Jeb Bush had the money and connections to win the nomination under normal circumstances. His machine was so powerful he effortlessly boxed out Romney's team, forcing him not to declare for the race. And yet Bush lost, bad. Sure Jeb isn't as talented as his brother but his brand was rejected, not just him as a candidate. Kasich and other "moderates" will face the same problem.
Another thing to consider is the Clinton WH. Assuming Clinton is faced with divided government it's very unlikely she'll accomplish any of her liberal agenda points. Instead she'll be forced to triangulate with republicans early. This type of compromise will further incite the right. At some point in her presidency I'd also expect Clinton to begin issuing major executive orders, most of which will stick unlike Obama's thanks to a reshaped Supreme Court. This will be one of the few ways she can fire up the base, and this will further incite the right. Long story short, I'd expect republicans to do well in 2018 midterms and once again be spiraling down the far right extremism drain.
I think Clinton will be very vulnerable in 2020 and would likely lose under normal circumstances, assuming the economy continues to just get by+Obamacare falters as republicans dither. But nominating a Ted Cruz type could once again provide a boon to democrats. If I was a republican operative I'd be looking around for someone who can appeal to the ugliest facets of the far right while also satisfying the establishment. Scott Walker types. If republicans can't nominate someone impressive like Kasich, their next bet is to nominate someone like Walker (not Walker himself, but someone in that mold). And if they shit the bed again they'll get a Trump/Cruz/etc type.
Fenderputty
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No way Paul Ryan could make it through a primary. He'll be just as hated by the far right as Boehner was by the time 4 years of Clinton passes by. He'll have to pass budgets, and he'll have to navigate defaulting on our debt and probably more government shutdowns.
The GOP's problem is their base that votes in the primaries. The base is fueled by talk radio and fox news. Imagine if Trump loses and creates his own news network that's even further to the right than Fox.
The GOP's problem is their base that votes in the primaries. The base is fueled by talk radio and fox news. Imagine if Trump loses and creates his own news network that's even further to the right than Fox.
I do think Nikki Haley will be a threat but only if ahe makes it through the primary in 2020. Unfortunately going by that picture of her...racists will ensure she doesn't.:/
Look at all those deplorable racists.
David Duke's face is just fucking weird. He has the "I've made Horcruxes" look I guess?
Fragamemnon
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Scott Walker is only still around because he's never faced a competent challenger. Everyone fights their way up, but with Walker he certainly didn't have to fight very hard.
Bonen no Max'd
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I still think Republicans will at least try to find a Dukakis-type figure to be a fresh face. I don't really know who it could be, maybe Sandoval, but I think after losing 5/7 of the last elections that the voters will ask themselves why they aren't winning and look for some sort of way to win.
I mean, they tried to do that this time! And they had a bunch of seemingly more palatable candidates who at least tried to not be tea partiers! And then they gave all their money to Bush before he exploded and no one wanted to go murder-suicide on Trump like Gephardt (I think) did to Dean in 2004, because they were all waiting for someone else to do it. I'm not convinced that Trump's base is that invincible in the primaries or that they'll stick with Trump-like candidates after he loses, especially if it's embarrassing.
I think cutting through the GOP's bench was good and bad for Democrats, since it paves the way for a less contested field for someone like Sandoval next time. 2012 had a weakass primary roster because everyone who mattered other than Romney were waiting for this year.
I mean, they tried to do that this time! And they had a bunch of seemingly more palatable candidates who at least tried to not be tea partiers! And then they gave all their money to Bush before he exploded and no one wanted to go murder-suicide on Trump like Gephardt (I think) did to Dean in 2004, because they were all waiting for someone else to do it. I'm not convinced that Trump's base is that invincible in the primaries or that they'll stick with Trump-like candidates after he loses, especially if it's embarrassing.
I think cutting through the GOP's bench was good and bad for Democrats, since it paves the way for a less contested field for someone like Sandoval next time. 2012 had a weakass primary roster because everyone who mattered other than Romney were waiting for this year.
Enough money can prop a candidate up at the state level, especially against weak competition, but the but it will only take you so far on the national stage--as shown by Jeb!.
nature boy
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OMG
lol
And people were worried. They have jack shit.
Uh huh.
plagiarize
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Charlie Baker would probably be a better candidate as a Republican MA governor than Mitt Romney. He's been in office two years and people still seem to like the guy. Honestly, I don't know why.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Someone should leave a big box labeled "HILLARY'S MEDICAL RECORDS" juuuust outside the Ecuadorian embassy.
benjipwns
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Yeah, can you imagine if they would ban someone like Milo. He'd never be seen in public again.
Veritigo_X
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It would be nice if Assange was transparent enough to answer police questions regarding his alleged sexual assaults.
StopMakingSense
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You neo-McCarthyists and your sucking up to neoliberal empress Hillary.
TestOfTide
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Probably because Baker doesn't try to die on the social conservative hill.
In terms of GOP Governors, he's basically the anti-LePage
benjipwns
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There are no guarantees about 2020. None.
In 2012 people thought Jeb and Rubio were the most likely candidates and Trump was a punchline.
Veritigo_X
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Aw man, that happened this morning? First time I try to burn Assange and I end up with an egg on my face.
Though to be fair, it doesn't sound like he has much of a choice here. He's had years to be transparent on this matter if he wanted to.
balladofwindfishes
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For all we know, Hillary could help bring about a golden age of prosperity and social progress not seen in a generation.
darkstar0155
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well, "some people say" he was problematic. I should look into it.
Well shit, I can't imagine that's going to go well for him.
Stomping out the big biggots on Twitter would likely be impossible, but I'd like to at least see a marked effort. Same for Reddit who still stands behind the idea that somehow racist speech is meaningful to discussions. It's incredibly obvious that the more likely scenario is they're just afraid of their own awful userbase taking a heaping shit on them.
benjipwns
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No, no, use your jinx powers to get us all rich or something.
Well, so far, slow news day, with just more Hillary health shit, Obama attacking and some Trump stuff.
None of the major networks are focusing on one single thing. CNN is hitting Trump Foundation stuff, some others Obama's remarks.
Kind of seems Clinton, for better or worse, has taken hold of the narrative in the last week, even today while she's recuperating.
None of the major networks are focusing on one single thing. CNN is hitting Trump Foundation stuff, some others Obama's remarks.
Kind of seems Clinton, for better or worse, has taken hold of the narrative in the last week, even today while she's recuperating.
Seriously. It kind of sounds like Ecuador is just tired of harboring the dude.
Well, I did just win $30 in my office football pool. So it's already working!
He might need to find a new embassy.
Veritigo_X
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Depending on the team you put it on, it might've!
Always bet against the LOLboys
Hrm; I guess I wasn't sure that the GOP establishment had lost control of their party on the base level or they had just let Trump loose in hopes of taking out Cruz, and then Trump got away from them all. I think that's the part that folks don't quite see - that the failure of Jeb! is as much on the RNC / party elites as it is on Jeb. The reason Clinton only had one ornery old white dude as her challenger is (I'm assuming) that the Dem party had already talked to everyone else who might run and negotiated with them. That's what the GOP leadership needs to do in 2019; start cutting deals with Cruz / etc to have them not run and instead support ye olde moderate candidate.
Though I guess I'm still thinking of the 2000s era GOP party that was good at this stuff, and maybe not the more modern GOP. I just figure they will do what the Dems did in 2004 / GOP in 2012 where they went for a moderate because they just cared about winning, and no longer cared about the purity of the candidate. But maybe a lot more has changed permanently in those 4 years.
Dominican Power
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Fuck Donald Trump! Song is catchy as fuck. DJs need to push this song.
Black Mamba
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The party barely succeeded in 2012. Every month was a "not romney" candidate.
It's just that those candidates were either super religious or really just peddling a book (Newt) that it didn't work because they couldn't align behind one (but remember in 2012 it also had a fairly large lineup to start).
The GOP has no control over the base right now. Trump gave them someone to unify behind and create a plurality. That wasn't an option in 2012 but it was clear then they had no control.
The GOP, operationally at the Presidential Election level, is a gigantic mess and has been since 2011.
Veritigo_X
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My jinxing powers seem to be a wash then. Need to spend more time honing this strange new power.
RustyNails
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Justice Department going to open investigation into Bondi/TrumpU deal. Niiice.
NYCmetsfan
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He's not a leftist (and neither are a lot of people who we typically call leftist)
They're mostly anti-western first and since the west is "right" they pretend to be left. But they really don't have any real economic believe besides anti-elite
who its not a real interogation, why is ecuador interrogating over a swedish crime?
The Lamonster
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maybe this is our October surprise
My guess is because a foreign prosecutor can't interrogate someone within the Ecuadorian embassy.
Source? I can't find anything on it.
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