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PoliGAF 2016 |OT10| Jill Stein Inflatable Love Doll

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Cyanity

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TheLostBigBoss said:
Yes, America is so ready for "change" that he failed to win the primary.

You know what, I'm not going to do this. I'm not going to mull over this shit months after we finally ended it.
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And yet I'm still going to vote for Hillary, and have been pushing my friends to do so as well. This is a political discussion thread - everything's on the table.
 
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But to return more precisely to the topic: I think spending money in SC is just dumb. It doesn't help Clinton, the Democrats have no hope of taking the Senate seat there, there is not a single competitive House seat there, and by the time South Carolina ends up blue, so many other states will have flipped before it nobody will care. I'm pretty confident in calling that a terrible idea, and I also feel pretty confident in saying that Clinton does not have an inspiring track record in prior campaigns to assuage my doubts via behind-the-scenes knowledge.
 
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metalslimer

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And you know while I'll admit that Hilary has certainly hadon't some unforced error this campaign cycle, it seems pointless to pretend like another candidate would be doing that much better against Trump. Can you imagine if the Reverend Wright thing had happened in a Trump v Obama matchup?
 
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A Link to the Past

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TheLostBigBoss said:
Believe

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What about Nebraska's second district?
 
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thebloo

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Guys, we get it. Everybody knows Bernie would have it in the bag by now and be winning by 20.

The thread is sick and tired of hearing about those damn primaries!
 
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eBay Huckster

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by the time South Carolina ends up blue, so many other states will have flipped before it nobody will care
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fun fact: clinton already has robust campaign infrastructure in most of the states that would flip first (many of them nearly to saturation), that's probably why the campaign's opening an office in SC and not another one in one of those states
 
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Nazgul_Hunter

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We always knew this but now it's transparent. Trump cannot put up the good boy act for very long. All his 'refret'ful statements were from his heart. He cannot control himself. It's not like he doesn't know the importance of staying on message, it's been working for him! He simply cannot stop himself.
 
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TheLostBigBoss

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I wasn't insinuating that you were somehow some BoB or something.

I have zero interest raking over the same shit I just spent nearly a year debating about when it has zero relevance to anything at this point, because it's just going to bring up more shit that isn't relevant and in the end nothing happens and everyone is just agitated
 
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KyroLen

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I love when Trump veers off prompter, this is exactly who he is when he's not letting other people direct what he says. And this psychopath can't be elected.

Is he saying anything else, can't imagine anything worse then the taking the guns away from Hills bodyguards, but it's Trump so you never know.

Man, what a terrible day to be stuck at work.
 
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thebloo said:
Guys, we get it. Everybody knows Bernie would have it in the bag by now and be winning by 20.

The thread is sick and tired of hearing about those damn primaries!
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I agree. I don't know why you all chose to bring it up.
 
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Crab said:
No, but let's do the timewarp again: it's 2014, and I tell you "an independent Jewish socialist over the age of 70 from Vermont is going to run in the Democrat primary against Clinton. What percentage of the vote do you think he'll get?"; if you try and tell me now you wouldn't have said "5%, tops", you're lying. Instead he took 40%.

If at the same time, I told you that her presidential opponent was going to be someone with heavy neo-Nazi associations who would talk about the size of his penis on a national debate stage and went bankrupt four times, and asked you how much she'd win by, you'd probably have said Goldwater margins. Instead, she's barely outpacing him.

When you step away from these races for a moment, and examine them for what they are, Clinton is doing incredibly poorly. Thankfully the quality of her opposition means that is still most likely going to end in a win.
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I would say who else is running? Because there is a good chance that Clinton would scare away any credible opponents. In that environment it wouldn't be hard to see how a fringe candidate could massively overperform.

NYT: The Rise of Presidential Extremists

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The authors of a recent analysis of ideological extremism in presidential elections over the past several decades — including the landslide defeats of Barry Goldwater and George McGovern — concluded that the electoral cost of extremism was “negligible” compared with the effects of other economic and political factors.

Goldwater in 1964 and McGovern in 1972 probably did a few percentage points worse than they would have if they had been more moderate, but they lost mainly because they were challenging incumbents who presided over election-year economic booms.
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Goldwater lost because of economic factors, not because he was looney toons. The sad truth is that, in this electorate, with this economic malaise, Trump is not a bad candidate. Defeating him is not some sort of political cakewalk.
 
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TheLostBigBoss

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RustyNails said:
See Randolph's post above:

Michael Grunwald‏ @MikeGrunwald

Huh. Trump says Hillary's bodyguards should disarm. "Take their guns away. Let's see what happens to her."
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Thanks Trump for giving Clinton an amazing narrative for the next ten days

CNN is reporting it now

Buckle up buckaroos
 
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Piecake

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Crab said:
But to return more precisely to the topic: I think spending money in SC is just dumb. It doesn't help Clinton, the Democrats have no hope of taking the Senate seat there, there is not a single competitive House seat there, and by the time South Carolina ends up blue, so many other states will have flipped before it nobody will care. I'm pretty confident in calling that a terrible idea, and I also feel pretty confident in saying that Clinton does not have an inspiring track record in prior campaigns to assuage my doubts via behind-the-scenes knowledge.
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Yea, SC just doesn't seem like it has the demographics. It lacks major urban city/cities and doesn't have the education level for it to be realistic any time soon

Focusing on Georgia and Arizona seem like much better bets.
 
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Mizerman

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RustyNails said:
See Randolph's post above:

Michael Grunwald‏ @MikeGrunwald

Huh. Trump says Hillary's bodyguards should disarm. "Take their guns away. Let's see what happens to her."
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Oh yeah...

Yeah, that's irredeemably stupid to say. Even by Trump standards...which are low to begin with.
 
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thebloo

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RustyNails said:
See Randolph's post above:

Michael Grunwald‏ @MikeGrunwald

Huh. Trump says Hillary's bodyguards should disarm. "Take their guns away. Let's see what happens to her."
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He does realise they're not "bodyguards", right?

Also, to flip it. Why doesn't all his staff carry around him? Let's see how his bodyguards react to that.
 
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Spoiled Milk

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Crab said:
She's barely outpacing Donald Trump and had a close primary encounter with an independent Jewish socialist. I'm not sure her campaign does know what they're doing. As attractive as adam might find Mook, he's not filling me with confidence.
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Close encounters of the primary kind.
 
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BlastProcessing

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RustyNails said:
See Randolph's post above:

Michael Grunwald‏ @MikeGrunwald

Huh. Trump says Hillary's bodyguards should disarm. "Take their guns away. Let's see what happens to her."
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Owen Ellickson ‏@onlxn
TRUMP: "I'd like to see what happens if we take Hillary's bodyguards' guns away. I'd REALLY like to see what happens if we give them swords"

Owen Ellickson
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TRUMP: "One of Hillary's bodyguards gets a razor-sharp boomerang. The other one gets bees, except you can throw 'em. He can throw the bees"
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Bam Bam Baklava

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You all know how I felt about Sanders but it's hard not to think how even he would be doing better than Clinton right now. He was also a weak candidate for Dems though. No broad coalition, older than Trump so health questions would come up, and has his own transparency issues on taxes.

But Clinton has been pretty poor lately. Biden would be going nuts right now. 10+ point national lead at least.
 
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BlastProcessing said:
I would say who else is running? Because there is a good chance that Clinton would scare away any credible opponents. In that environment it wouldn't be hard to see how a fringe candidate could massively overperform.

Goldwater lost because of economic factors, not because he was looney toons. The sad truth is that, in this electorate, with this economic malaise, Trump is not a bad candidate. Defeating him is not some sort of political cakewalk.
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With respect, I think this is some pretty heavy revisionism. I can dig up PoliGAF peeps from before the primaries even began who were absolutely and completely confident that Sanders would only win a single primary. The average PoliGAF guess in December was two primaries (heck, I guessed eleven and was too low!). You cannot seriously be telling me that you think in 2014 you'd have pegged a candidate with Sanders' background and stances to do as well as he did. That's some bullshit.

Please note: I'm not reliving the primaries or saying 'Sanders should have won' or yadda yadda yadda. I'm just pointing out that it's very difficult for me to have confidence that the Clinton campaign is some mastermind genius operation when historically she's done far less well than she should have done against apparently weak opponents. Clinton spending money in South Carolina is bullshit, and she's not earned the level of faith for me to peg it down to some genius cunning. It's a misstep.
 
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Nazgul_Hunter

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This is gonna blow up. I thought he'd be saying it in a jokey manner. This sounded like the ramblings of a hateful man angry that he had to eat shit for 30 seconds this morning at that birthed statement.
 
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