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[balladofwindfishes]

Last night was the first time a woman was on stage during a presidential (not primary) debate, right?

Nobody was mentioning it, but it sounds like a big deal.

 

[IggyChooChoo]

Someone last night posted a hilarious Grover Norquist tweet about "vaper's rights" or whatever. This guy is a true believer about how vaping is like one of the last bits of freedom left in the country and harps on it all the damn time (and is still going on about it this morning). He routinely brings up the "coalition that will take down Hillary Clinton," which includes the unlikely hodgepodge of vapers, gun owners and Uber drivers.

I'm not sure when the switch from "that tax reform guy" to "that vaping guy" happened, but it's pretty funny to follow. For instance, he was just at Burning Man a couple weeks ago. Grover Norquist. At Burning Man. Hilarious.

It reminds me of Tim Heidecker's recent "nutritional vaping" kick. So weird.

 

[Valhelm]

In 48-72 hours, this headline will morph into something along the lines of 'Hillary had a seizure during the debate'

Oh it's already started

according to /pol/, her finger movements are proof of some terminal illness

 

[Ondore]

Last night was the first time a woman was on stage during a presidential (not primary) debate, right?

Presidential, yes. Ferraro (1984) and Palin (2008) were in VP debates.

 

[Rebel Leader]

It's like the tic tac toe and complicated math pic i saw on Twitter

 

[User 463088]

My initial impression of the debate after it ended:

-Trump started out sounding like a very dumb man with very smart and sinister people whispering in his ear. He was making the right strategic moves, but was too stupid to deliver effectively.

-Clinton stated ok, but seemed kinda nervous. I was a little worried about it at this point, but trade was probably going to be the hardest part for her anyway.

-Trump talked about helping the rich, Clinton the middle class. Really wish Clinton would also talk about the poor. Nobody talks about the poor.

-Once it moved to racial discussion, Trump couldn't help but be Trump and started going downhill fast.

-I actually got really pissed when Trump defended his housing discrimination thing by saying he got away with it without admitting guilt, and ended up yelling at the screen in frustration. YOU MEAN IT WAS EASY TO GET AWAY WITH DISCRIMINATION IN THE 70s?! NO SHIT!

-Clinton did well on this topic overall, but I felt she missed a few opportunities, and wish she would have called out more of the insane number of dog whistles he was throwing out there.

-Did I hear incorrectly, or did Clinton at one point say that stop and frisk worked?

-Clinton was already winning, but Trump setting her up with the temperament rant was the knockout blow.

-Everything after that was a broken Trump and an A performance from Hillary.

You heard incorrectly. She said repeatedly that it didn't work.

 

[GurgleBot20]

Am I not paying enough attention or is there surprisingly little criticism towards Trump for saying he'd attack Iran over....a taunt?

 

[Finale Fireworker]

Am I not paying enough attention or is there surprisingly little criticism towards Trump for saying he'd attack Iran over....a taunt?

I think there's just so much to go with that they're picking and choosing which absurd and ridiculous thing to focus on.

 

[sazzy]

Am I not paying enough attention or is there surprisingly little criticism towards Trump for saying he'd attack Iran over....a taunt?

There's only so much outrage/disbelief to go around.

Also, this tweet: Economist hacked? lol

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

https://t.co/ogzIn5GCNG

 

[B-Dubs]

I have to say, I feel like when we look back this is going to be what won the election for her. When she looked into the camera to tell NATO and all our allies that we'll always honor our treaties and deals, in that moment she was the president. You could see her behind the podium with the seal of the president on it very clearly in that moment. If she can manage to create that same image in the next two debates then there's no way she loses this.

 

[Knuckle Sandwich]

Am I not paying enough attention or is there surprisingly little criticism towards Trump for saying he'd attack Iran over....a taunt?

It wouldn't start a war though so no big deal.

 

[GurgleBot20]

I think there's just so much to go with that they're picking and choosing which absurd and ridiculous thing to focus on.

There's only so much outrage/disbelief to go around.

Right, but that particular comment greatly disturbed me, suggesting that he'd risk US lives (not to mention Iran) over his own fragile ego. In fact, it might be the most Trump thing he said that night.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

I have to say, I feel like when we look back this is going to be what won the election for her. When she looked into the camera to tell NATO and all our allies that we'll always honor our treaties and deals, in that moment she was the president. You could see her behind the podium with the seal of the president on it very clearly in that moment. If she can manage to create that same image in the next two debates then there's no way she loses this.

I think that moment is being seriously underrated. That was the moment she was president. Of the entire debate, that part actually stuck with me more than anything else said by either of them.

It reminded me of 2008 Obama during the financial crisis, when he started acting like president. Sitting down and talking with people on how to solve the problem, while McCain was off doing whatever.

 

[nature boy]

Bueno!


LMAO

https://www.scribd.com/document/325456792/National-Poll-September-26-2016-Post-Debate-Poll

Political Polls ‏@Politics_Polls 2m2 minutes ago
National Poll, Who Won The Debate?
Clinton 48%
Trump 43%

@GravisMarketing/@BreitbartNews

“However, 95 percent of the people we contacted told us they were not going to change their vote based on the debate,” Caddell said.

 

[Geg]

Last night was the first time a woman was on stage during a presidential (not primary) debate, right?

Nobody was mentioning it, but it sounds like a big deal.

I know NPR mentioned it a few times in the afternoon yesterday

 

[sazzy]

Right, but that particular comment greatly disturbed me, suggesting that he'd risk US lives (not to mention Iran) over his own fragile ego. In fact, it might be the most Trump thing he said that night.

I don't think he gives much of a shit about soldiers dying or getting hurt. Re: McCain, Khan family

In any case, his first reaction would be to fire a nuke, not send in an army.

 

[B-Dubs]

I think that moment is being seriously underrated. That was the moment she was president. Of the entire debate, that part actually stuck with me more than anything else said by either of them.

It reminded me of 2008 Obama during the financial crisis, when he started acting like president. Sitting down and talking with people on how to solve the problem, while McCain was off doing whatever.

It was incredibly sad that she had to say what she did there though. I guess the reports of world leaders giving Obama panicked calls every so often aren't entirely off base.

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

Mel Robbins on CNN:



Who is this person and why is her opinion so awful?

Oh, S.E. Cupp also claiming Trump won. Yeah, sure.

Are we sure she's not just being sarcastic?

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

It wouldn't start a war though so no big deal.

When has a country ever gone to war over the sinking of a naval ship....


"Remember the Maine"

Sinking the Lusitania

Gulf of Tonkin


...oh

 

[PBY]

Honestly, she did great.

To me she only has one weakness, and its TPP. And its tough for her, because Trump is actually attacking her with the truth, and he's right about everything he accused her of.

 

[bigwinnerx]

Re: 95% of people not changing their vote above.

Getting just the majority of that 5% is the definition of the undecideds (and is a group that probably wasn't originally labeled in the actual 'undecided' category) and would swing the election in her favor. So, I'm not sure why they want to clarify that point.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Honestly, she did great.

To me she only has one weakness, and its TPP. And its tough for her, because Trump is actually attacking her with the truth, and he's right about everything he accused her of.

Trump actually asking Hillary to condemn Obama for TPP was the only part of the entire debate I was legitimately worried. She ended up giving a canned nothing answer and the moderator moved on.

And what Trump's point wasn't really wrong either. If Hillary thinks TPP is a bad deal, then asking her to blame Obama for it isn't really that much of a stretch.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Then might as well concede the next 2 debates, because yesterday's performance didn't help him.

Temperament and past comments will be brought up in the town hall and foreign policy debates. If that's his best, he's toast.

Is this your first time seeing Donald Trump...?

 

[sazzy]

Anyone else love political cartoons?

from Politico

 

[thebloo]

Honestly, she did great.

To me she only has one weakness, and its TPP. And its tough for her, because Trump is actually attacking her with the truth, and he's right about everything he accused her of.

Not that right.

In fairness to Clinton, the TPP was still under negotiation when Clinton made the "gold standard" comment. The partners only finalized the deal this year. It’s quite possible the deal looks dramatically different than it did at the early stages of negotiations, when Clinton was at the State Department -- something Clinton spokesman Nick Merrill pointed out to us for this fact-check. The negotiations have been conducted in secret, so it’s hard for us to assess that ourselves. Also, as secretary of state, she spoke as a representative of the Obama administration, which was and remains wholeheartedly in favor of the deal.

Sure, it's a good political attack, especially on a subject that nobody fucking knows a thing about.

 

[Teggy]

Everything is terrible

Stocks rose as data showed American consumer confidence rose to the highest since 2007 and speculation grew that presidential nominee Hillary Clinton beat Donald Trump in their first debate. Mexico’s peso rallied. Oil sank.

 

[nature boy]

Is this your first time seeing Donald Trump...?

No, just not being complacent

 

[PBY]

Not that right.



Sure, it's a good political attack, especially on a subject that nobody fucking knows a thing about.

Not even the gold standard point. Its clear that she does support it, despite her waffling on it, and Obama supports it.

So she gets slammed between the Bernie contingent and Obama.

 

[sazzy]

Clinton on her plane, just as she turned away from the press travelling with her:

Anyone who is complaining about a mic obviously did not have a good night.

Press whooped.

 

[Rebel Leader]

"Anybody who compains about the mic... isn't having a good night"
Hillary



Damn

 

[Veelk]

What I love about this debate is that Hillary Clinton did in one debate what over a dozen republican primary candidates couldn't in several. I know they'll never admit it. But still, it's delicious how she was the one who managed to get trump to implode on himself, just like that.

 

[King Tubby]

Sure, it's a good political attack, especially on a subject that nobody fucking knows a thing about.

By design!

 

[Emarv]

Hill just gave a mini press conference on her plane. Did great. Addressed the 2nd debate thing the exact way we wanted "If i'm the only one on that debate stage, so be it".

At the end, somebody snuck in a question about Trump's microphone comment. Her quick response "You know anybody talking about microphone issues is not having a good night."


dammnnnnnn

 

[PBY]

Hill just gave a mini press conference on her plane. Did great. Addressed the 2nd debate thing the exact way we wanted "If i'm the only one on that debate stage, so be it".

At the end, somebody snuck in a question about Trump's microphone comment. Her quick response "You know anybody talking about microphone issues is not having a good night."


dammnnnnnn

She's killing it.

 

[shinra-bansho]

That was Donald Trump. It's the same Donald Trump we've seen.

There is no other Donald Trump.

He got where is today because he was born into money, and has managed to sucker money out of other people. Not because he was particularly smart or studious.

And he got where he is in politics by being a bloviating loudmouth.

 

[Y2Kev]

Hillary needs to kick it into overdrive such that she comes close to dying. So maybe take four more weeks off.

 

[Loudninja]

Stop doing that you damn devil twins >_>

 

[King Tubby]

I still don't get what he has against Rosie O'Donnell. What bad blood is there between the two of them? In seriousness it was hilarious that he tried to bring her up to deflect claims of misogyny. It's obvious the only reason he did that is because it worked once in that primary debate.

 

[Grief.exe]

Clinton on her plane, just as she turned away from the press travelling with her:



Press whooped.

"Anybody who compains about the mic... isn't having a good night"
Hillary



Damn

Damn son

 

[Aaron Strife]

That was Donald Trump. It's the same Donald Trump we've seen.

There is no other Donald Trump.

He got where is today because he was born into money, and has managed to sucker money out of other people. Not because he was particularly smart or studious.

And he got where he is in politics by being a bloviating loudmouth.

I feel the "Trump is a secret political jiujitsu master at setting expectations and surprising at the debates" theory lost a lot of credence last night to the simpler "Trump is a moron"

 

[Roland_Gunner]

What I love about this debate is that Hillary Clinton did in one debate what over a dozen republican primary candidates couldn't in several. I know they'll never admit it. But still, it's delicious how she was the one who managed to get trump to implode on himself, just like that.

Most of the GOP debates were the other candidates pounding each other while treating Trump with kid gloves because they assumed he would fade away and wanted his support. If they had gone after him hard after New Hampshire, Cruz or Rubio would probably be the nominee and they would have a very good chance of becoming the next President.

 

[brianmcdoogle]

You guys are going to have fun listening to the 538 podcast this morning.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

I feel the "Trump is a secret political jiujitsu master at setting expectations and surprising at the debates" theory lost a lot of credence last night to the simpler "Trump is a moron"

This is true. Trump doesn't have a grand plan, he is just a moron obsessed with himself.

 

[Emarv]

You guys are going to have fun listening to the 538 podcast this morning.

i'm gonna give it a day or two before i listen. don't want nate's hot take until my glow of joy dies down a bit, first.

 

[Y2Kev]

Trump might prepare in the same way he might build a ground game.

 

[shinra-bansho]

It's a secret ground game, for the secret states.

Huh. He has a lot of secrets.

Why is she the "secretive" one?

 

[sazzy]

reaching for conspiracy theories... full speed ahead lol

 

[Aaron Strife]

It's a secret ground game, for the secret states.

It's run by thestrals.

 

[ShadowSwordmaster]

Hill just gave a mini press conference on her plane. Did great. Addressed the 2nd debate thing the exact way we wanted "If i'm the only one on that debate stage, so be it".

At the end, somebody snuck in a question about Trump's microphone comment. Her quick response "You know anybody talking about microphone issues is not having a good night."


dammnnnnnn

Nailed it.