Very, very good point.
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Very, very good point.
God, freaking Independents can't even decide who won a damn debate, when it was painfully obvious, it's amazing they can decide what color to wear in the morning.
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balladofwindfishes
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What is a CVoter?
Undecideds want Bernie back. Or Cruz.
Fragamemnon
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what kind of likely voter screen torture do you have to do to get Trump to 50% in VA.
Romney 12 was not this big of a smackdown.
I think Clinton 92 is the closest in my lifetime.. but even then that was more that Clinton did really really well and Bush seemed a little bored (don't check that watch bro). But Bush didn't come off as an incompetent loon.
This is the biggest L by a large margin.
I'm happy last night went about as well as it could have but I'm still a little concerned about the next two debates, mainly because a lot of people seem to think Trump was "winning" the first third of the debate. If he keeps hammering home his message about saving the lower and middle class, it could have an impact.
Clearly Hillary's strategy here was to let Trump ramble incoherently and let him hang himself, which worked. But what if he doesn't ramble next time? And I know a lot of you are going to say "he's going to ramble again so it doesn't matter" but I genuinely wonder what Hillary is going to do if the "sit back and smile" strat doesn't work the second time. I don't know what Plan B would be. We all know that trying to get on trump's level and yell at him would be disastrous.
Clearly Hillary's strategy here was to let Trump ramble incoherently and let him hang himself, which worked. But what if he doesn't ramble next time? And I know a lot of you are going to say "he's going to ramble again so it doesn't matter" but I genuinely wonder what Hillary is going to do if the "sit back and smile" strat doesn't work the second time. I don't know what Plan B would be. We all know that trying to get on trump's level and yell at him would be disastrous.
Mighty Chin
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I think Trump thinks temperament means something completely different.
bigwinnerx
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Poll only in Lynchburg.
How the fuck are you getting Trump near 50% in ANY of these states.
Jesus Christos.
balladofwindfishes
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C+ on 538 with a slight GOP bias
But that is one wacky poll. It's also getting passed around the alt-right boards. I actually found it on reddit. I don't think they're even included in 538's aggregate though.
Edit: 538 applies basically no weight at all to this poll. Garbage poll.
But that is one wacky poll. It's also getting passed around the alt-right boards. I actually found it on reddit. I don't think they're even included in 538's aggregate though.
Edit: 538 applies basically no weight at all to this poll. Garbage poll.
He is going to have minorities grilling him face to face on his positions in the next debate. He is going to have to defend deportation and the removal of birthright in the face of a DREAMer and stop and frisk to an african american, and a muslim registration to a muslim american.
He is going to look BAD in the town hall. The Town Hall will play to Clinton's strength.
By the third debate viewership numbers will be way down and it will be really hard for him to counter punch on trade deals.
So, he basically blew his load last night.
nature boy
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Still needs a bit more.
Abinash117
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It seems being very liberal on issues definitely benefited her; she needs to be more on that with climate change, race issues, and healthcare.
I think she should also try an argument that being someone with experience and the knowledge should be able to lead the country to change as you need to know what exactly you are doing to do that, and cite popular people who were politicians or part of the establishment and explain how they to change. Explain that you will carry the mantle of Obama. It will be also any easy way for her to criticize Trump as he lacks all of that. He doesn't have the temperament, the experience, the compassion, and the knowledge to change the US in any positive manner ; that he'll be very ineffective as a president. The best part about the argument all of it is something that Trump demonstrates he indeed does lack most or all of it.
54-23 with independents is a MASSIVE win. Especially when you consider most "independents" at this point are disaffected Republicans who no longer identify with the party, but still lean heavily that way.
I thought so too. But his "elaboration" kinda shows that he understands. Which is more funny that he became unhinged during that segment.
He has the best temperament. In fact, it's his strong point.
Thequietone
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Lots of Independents are Republicans who are too embarrassed to identify as Republicans after G. W. Bush.
Made no sense to me at the time but maybe Trump just thinks ISIS = Al Queada = Muslims? Wouldn't be surprised if he did.
Of course they didn't. All they care about is selling guns. Take them away and they can sell them again. 2nd Amendment only applies to White people.
balladofwindfishes
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I love how CNN keeps changing their front page headline title
"TRUMP TAKES THE BAIT"
"TRUMP LOSES HIS COOL"
"TRUMP IS AWFUL"
"LOL TRUMP"
And stuff like that. I don't remember the specific ones, but they change it every few hours. They don't seem to really like Trump all that much. Not even MSNBC's front page is like this.
"TRUMP TAKES THE BAIT"
"TRUMP LOSES HIS COOL"
"TRUMP IS AWFUL"
"LOL TRUMP"
And stuff like that. I don't remember the specific ones, but they change it every few hours. They don't seem to really like Trump all that much. Not even MSNBC's front page is like this.
Souldriver
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I just want to say that the latest 'keepin it 1600' episode is great. It's basically an audio equivalent of poligaf, a liberal echochamber, but them having so much fun and laughing is funny to listen to.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I don't know if "wildly racist man vs. anti-racist lawyer who worked on housing discrimination" will go this way when most of the campaign has been about race, Harry.
https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/780818307641446400
People have this bizarre view that Mike Pence is somehow competent and affable... And it's really not true! Pence's list of qualities goes as so:
1. Extreme stupidity.
2. No morals whatsoever, will say whatever his superiors tell him to say (like promoting the lie that Saddam did the Anthrax attacks).
3. Over the top bigotry.
https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/780818307641446400
People have this bizarre view that Mike Pence is somehow competent and affable... And it's really not true! Pence's list of qualities goes as so:
1. Extreme stupidity.
2. No morals whatsoever, will say whatever his superiors tell him to say (like promoting the lie that Saddam did the Anthrax attacks).
3. Over the top bigotry.
And if just 10% of those moderate Republicans stay home, neck-and-neck swing states go blue.
I'm a pretty terrible judge of debates. I thought in the first '12 debate, Obama was just mediocre (though obviously beaten by Romney), and not the epic disaster everyone called it. Last night, while Trump was obviously going wild starting with the birther questions, I wasn't sure if it was different enough from the usual Trump bluster to move the needle with swing voters. And I also thought he did solidly in the first 15 or so mins, when they were talking about trade; not good, but (relatively) drawing even.
That said, the most bizarre thing that came up last night, even by Trump's standards and stood out to me as a different kind of crazy, was accusing Hillary of fighting ISIS for her entire adult life. What the hell does that even mean?!
That said, the most bizarre thing that came up last night, even by Trump's standards and stood out to me as a different kind of crazy, was accusing Hillary of fighting ISIS for her entire adult life. What the hell does that even mean?!
balladofwindfishes
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Kaine is going to crush Pence. Pence is a huge jerk. Everyone loves Kaine.
Kaine just needs to list off all the vile, disgusting, hateful stuff Pence supports.
But only 15 people will watch the debate, so it doesn't really matter.
Kaine just needs to list off all the vile, disgusting, hateful stuff Pence supports.
But only 15 people will watch the debate, so it doesn't really matter.
I laughed hard when I read that Pence was using Scott Walker as his Kaine stand-in during debate prep. Could they have picked a dumber man to practice off against?
Ziltoidia 9
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Have any good memes been made of "sanders looking at TV" image?
RastaMentality
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Someone compared it to the Spongebob scene where Squidward watches Spongebob and Patrick playing outside from his dark room, but I can't find it.
edit: nvm Rasta's got me
A lot of it is sexism, but plenty of it is anti-intellectualism as well.
SolidSnakeUS
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It's also possibly that one of the bigger reasons that getting rid of private prisons in PA is a hit is because of the Kids for Cash scandal.
Also, as a side thing, I'm sorry if this was posted and I'm late on it, but with the whole Chuck Todd being a fucking dipshit thing about being over prepared, it's very much like this stupid shit:
pence versus kaine debate is gonna be kinda cool because they both fit the two archetypes of fatherhood in America
mike pence is the assistant football coach who slams Miller Lite and calls his son a queer for growing his hair long, whereas tim kaine is the assistant scoutmaster who loves corny jokes and road trips
mike pence is the assistant football coach who slams Miller Lite and calls his son a queer for growing his hair long, whereas tim kaine is the assistant scoutmaster who loves corny jokes and road trips
banefirelord
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I really want to give Tim Kaine a big hug.
Pence is gonna hit Hillary harder on emails and Benghazi than Trump did last night, but Kaine is pretty good. I am confident in him. I doubt we'll see such a lopsided win, especially considering less people will tune in/care and VP debates really don't change anything. I think people will come out of that debate thinking "I wouldn't be so afraid of a Pence presidency than a Trump presidency".
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
You're confusing whether a politician has something to gain in a debate and whether Donald Trump has something to gain in a debate.
Sure, he'd be able to gain a lot if he could completely change his personality and come up with some basic policy positions, but that's not an actual thing that happens.
balladofwindfishes
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I hope Time Kaine brings up mutant rights. That seems to be a hot topic for Pence.
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That was such an odd left field thing to say. Another moment I haven't seen mentioned is when he leaned into the mic while she was speaking and just made a weird indistinguishable sound. I don't know what that was about, like he was going to say "wrong" but just got out "wooo" or something.
phisheep
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Hillary is on a ladder. She might take a few steps up or a few steps down from time to time, but it isn't anything to panic about. There's a way up.
Trump is balanced on a high-wire of his own making, on a unicycle juggling chainsaws and blowing dogwhistles and yelling "Look at me!". There's no way to go further up and there's a long way down.
This debate he wobbled. A lot.
Trump is balanced on a high-wire of his own making, on a unicycle juggling chainsaws and blowing dogwhistles and yelling "Look at me!". There's no way to go further up and there's a long way down.
This debate he wobbled. A lot.
jack_package_200
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What is this even supposed to be saying?
Ben Garrison is a mess. Sad.
RastaMentality
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Fantastic.
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