Nazgul_Hunter
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Other than the day they lose, has there ever been a day as bad as today for a presidential nominee campaign ever? I'm legitimately asking.
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He needs to just let the whole thing go. This situation can tie back to the beginnings of the Rosie O'Donnell feud. The Miss Universe winner that year got into his bad graces for partying and he threatened to take her crown away until he made a big deal of publicly forgiving her and saying she deserved a second chance. That's when Rosie went off on him for making a big showy display of his supposed kind benevolence.
This week hasn't been great for Trump, Tomorrow Clinton caps off this week in Florida spreading her messaging being visible. While Trump is talking about all sort of other shit.
It's why I can't wait to see polls next week. All of this should be factored in.
Btw did I see Hillary will be in Ohio on Monday?
whyamihere
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Yes, she'll be in Ohio on the 1st.
Didn't Dukakis have a few crazy bad days?
nature boy
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Where's the outrage?
hipsterpants
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Reading that failing NYTimes piece on Clinton struggling with young people makes me want to strangle something. Christ, I feel like you could summarize their arguments as basically "my candidate lost, so the system doesn't work for me." The candidate that "represented" them lost in a fair election.
balladofwindfishes
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I'm not sure, and I'm also not sure if this week was worse for Trump than the Khan/Post DNC week or not.
I think it actually is worse than Khan week, not because I think it'll move the polls as much (it still might), but because he completely fell apart are probably the most crucial moment in the race, during the most watched debate, ever, and basically invalidated himself to millions of people.
The role reversal is hilarious. Hillary is owning the media, giving interviews, conferences, having rallies, and Trump is nowhere to be seen, while his campaign puts out fires he started and continues to start
It's like the direct opposite of August/Early September
Aaron Strife
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When Clinton wins by 200 votes in Iowa, you know why.
I think she wins Iowa by over 10K.
whyamihere
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All I can recall from that election from searching things up about it is that tank.
Beer Monkey
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If this was posted I missed it; from Sam Wang on how the polling is less volatile than in the last three elections (though you wouldn't think so from Five Thirty Eight).
This would be expected as the nation becomes more polarized IMO.
This would be expected as the nation becomes more polarized IMO.
Trump knows his deplorables don't care about his marital history and that Hillary probably won't counter attack there.
NYCmetsfan
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Voting as self-affirmation, not as a choice of policy or leadership.
Its all about ME
Aaron Strife
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I mean he's not wrong.
I'm not defending any form of cheating, but with Bill it (they?) was clearly a mistake. Certainly a mistake he's possibly made multiple times, but I doubt he would ever want to move on from Hillary. He just liked having sex too much.
Trump's marriages fell apart by design. In every instance he traded his old model in for a new one. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he divorces Melania in the next five years (in addition to going bankrupt as Mark Cuban speculated).
In some part of Bill's brain, he knows that cheating is wrong. Trump doesn't see anything wrong with it as long as he's the one doing it.
Btw - I find cheating morally reprehensible yet not a primary concern in my politicians. But if Trump wants to start it...
Basileus777
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Wang has been on this point for months, mostly to mock Silver and his model.
Aaron Strife
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It's amazing how quickly Nate became a caricature of the very thing he built his model to counteract.
Keepin' it 1600 had a guy from 538 as their guest today to explain to everyone why polling was abnormally volatile this election. excellent timing.
It's the millennial way!
That idea nicely ties in with that awful poll showing only 51% of millennials believe this election is very important. "Meh, I'll be okay. What's really important is how I express myself and curate my persona on social media."
I'm technically a millennial.
hipsterpants
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This is a great point, but I guarantee there would be no talk of "the 2-party system is broken!" had Sanders won the primary. People trying to get all intellectual and above-it-all when they're really just sore losers.
Basileus777
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Nah, everyone else is just guilty of as Nate put it earlier today, "sophomoric analysis that's unduly suspicious of any poll movement."
Aaron Strife
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Someone on my fb feed made a comment about how great it would be if the election became a four-way between Clinton, Sanders, Trump and Cruz because then we'd have "a real choice."
Like bullshit, you're just mad you don't get to vote for your hero. Having two Republicans and two Democrats instead of just one each? Wowie mama, so many options.
At least it won't help his wide gap with women voters.
I agree with everything you have said. As I have said to owzers, he's not helping himself which is a good thing. I guess I'm just constantly surprised he is so absolutely shameless. And I know I shouldn't be given who he is and his history. I'm really disgusted this election is being reduced to gutter politics and tabloid level crap.
NYCmetsfan
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He was actually having an orgasm while think of Putin, and never got an answer out.
Or the hair mouse was biting him.
NYCmetsfan
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lol what a loser
It's amazing how a lot of us actively discuss how to fix Trump if he just learned to let shit go.
She's great! Really have a lot of respect for her. And I think Kayleigh has given up considering even she admitted that Trump took the bait during the debate and whatnot. Not a very strong defense of her guy.
NYCmetsfan
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lol this campaign newt saying its bad to attack clinton for his affairs. NEWT!
lol this campaign newt saying its bad to attack clinton for his affairs. NEWT!
For as scummy as Newt is. Even he knows this isn't the way to go. Simply because Clinton would rise above it. While Trump would look like an idiot for trying to attack a woman for her husbands issues.
Plus it didn't exactly work for Newt back then either.
Nazgul_Hunter
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The lateness of it makes this week worse, but just in volume there was so much stuff today. Count it:
- Continuing fallout from the debate, including your advisors leaking all sorts of shit.
- Also fallout from the Alicia Machado comments
- Machado is prompting other women to come out and say he wanted to fire ugly women.
- He makes the (probably fatal) decision to get into the gutter with the Bill Clinton stuff.
- The Castro Connection
- The USA Today breaking 34 years of tradition and coming out against him.
- And more stuff on the foundation yet to come.
- Picking Merkel as favorite leader.
Did I miss anything?
A way to pass time I'd say.
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He knows it's going to lead to an even worse time.
lol this campaign newt saying its bad to attack clinton for his affairs. NEWT!
Dubbedinenglish
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lol this campaign newt saying its bad to attack clinton for his affairs. NEWT!
Newt is #Triggered
Front page of CNN right now:
"A great Leader, But? Trump Praises then Rips Merkel."
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/29/politics/donald-trump-angela-merkel-praise-criticism/index.html
Edit: was that a stealth edit, or can I not read?
balladofwindfishes
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A better candidate and a better campaign could have figured out how to explain away Monday night and just fight back. Admit he was sick. Say he'll be better prepared next time. Do something! Saying "I won the debate, everyone else is just bias" doesn't work.
The campaign actually had at least a semblance of running properly the last few weeks, and now it just seems to be in shambles. Nobody knows what to do, and Trump just keeps making it worse.
User 85168
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New Fahrenthold hit piece from the failing WaPo:
"Trump Foundation lacks the certification required for charities that solicit money"
"Trump Foundation lacks the certification required for charities that solicit money"
RustyNails
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I think Bill Weld will drop out after the 3rd debate. He said "we'll see" how things look after 3rd debate.
Oh shit.
Beer Monkey
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Trump is going to end up losing so much money in legal fines and weakened branding (already happening to his resort business) because he ran for president. If he had just stayed in the private sector nobody would have dug up all the fraudulent shit he's into.
It's delicious.
It's delicious.
It's amazing to me because they HAD to know this was going to happen right? Like they had to know he would lose the first debate. It's even more baffling they didn't have a plan for this contingency.
But part of me believes it was because he was thrown the fuck off the the Machado thing, and he just started saying shit and say how he won etc. Then went off on the Bill tangent.
RustyNails
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Don't worry. Ailes is hard at work in laying the foundation of TrumpTV as we speak.
A large amount if the branding stuff happened last year. He was let go from his Macy's gig, and also the Apprentice.
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