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PoliGAF 2016 |OT11| Well this is exciting
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That one's legend. No one will ever be better.
BigJonsson
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Anyone watching CNN? Poor Trumpeters having to spin this Cuba stuff and it's not working at all lol
That poll also interviewed people in Michigan about the debate and this is what they had to say about it.
About 52 percent of likely voters said Clinton won Mondays 90-minute slug fest at Hofstra University in New York, while 20 percent said Trump prevailed. Among Trump voters, 45 percent said he won, while 88 percent of Clintons voters said she won the debate, Czuba said.
Even trump voters in Michigan thought he did really awful in that debate.
About 52 percent of likely voters said Clinton won Mondays 90-minute slug fest at Hofstra University in New York, while 20 percent said Trump prevailed. Among Trump voters, 45 percent said he won, while 88 percent of Clintons voters said she won the debate, Czuba said.
Even trump voters in Michigan thought he did really awful in that debate.
Business is business it's business this guy knows business.
It's only going to be getting worse and worse. From the look on it everyone's been sitting on the good stuff until now. October is going to be amazing.
I am and it's amazing.
They often use something like a very, very deep blue for blacks.
Finally, the nation is won over in the landslide to end all landslides... unless they use deep reds too, then how the FUCK do they win us over?
VendettaRed07
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Amazing.
It is sublime. How much do they get paid?
Well the VP debate is Tuesday, and there are already basically too many stories for Machado to dominate the headlines until then.
Khan was perfect. Fought back aggressively and quietly slipped away after the point was made.
Things move fast at this stage of the game. Debate a week for the next three weeks. I' m imagining Trump will be on full tilt over that time frame. My hope is that the Clinton campaign has something planned for the period between the 19th and the 8th. Three weekends in that time frame....enough room for a major oppo drop, a major endorsement, and an infomercial? I'd take any one.
Basileus777
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Look at the recent history of Republican House leadership and then tell me that any Speaker is safe if he acts defiantly against the Republican base and Freedom caucus. And I'm presuming that Ryan has actual ambitions of being nominated for President, in which case leading the impeachment of a Republican President and coming together with Democrats to do so is a death-knell. You're mad to think that a Ryan that acted in such a way would win an electorate that favored Trump and Cruz. And I kind of doubt the legal actions against Trump would ever reach a point where this even be on the table for a Republican Congress.
cooljeanius
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Darn, it says no naming specific candidates... that ruins pretty much every idea for questions I had, and I had some for each of them separately...
Looking at the top ranked questions, you can tell the_donald has been there for some of them:
e: lol
titiklabingapat
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The next debate is only 10 days away though. Or 6 more days of weekday politicking. But really, it's probably 5 days since we will talk about the VPs for at least a day. I agree that she shouldn't coast on this one but I don't see why it would hurt her if she does.
whyamihere
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Michigan, post debate, LV
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...9/clinton-leads-michigan-poll-trump/91304744/
Clinton 42
Trump 35
Johnson 9
Stein 3
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...9/clinton-leads-michigan-poll-trump/91304744/
Clinton 42
Trump 35
Johnson 9
Stein 3
Lmao, this fucking day. Will this get them to pull the ad?
shinra-bansho
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What happens when you apply an adjusted likely voter screen, huh?
Nazgul_Hunter
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Yes; I think this is why this is all coming out right now. October surprises aren't as relevant when a lot of the vote is early now.
If Team Hilldawg has a Powell-tier endorsement, a Machado-tier oppo file, and the spare cash for an infomercial waiting in the wings, I may OD on hopium before making it to election day.
Lord Fagan
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This is the thread I show people when they ask, "What's NeoGaf?"
Basileus777
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Trump at 35 is brutal.
whyamihere
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This is Hillary's best poll in Michigan since 8/22 - 8/24.
+1 for Hill, +3 for Trump from previous poll
Interesting editorial from Angela Rye why she is more enthused about Hillary after the debate - hopefully she's not the only one.
http://bit.ly/2duJ0lZ?cc=2be71792186b8f5ad1f5c25dfb3ddbc0
DataStream
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Thanks.
Unfortunately, I have no idea how to effectively word my question given the character limit restrictions.
Would really love to head off the affair conversation with a trap like:
"As two religious people that have had to deal with very public cases of marital infidelity; how has infidelity affected the relationship with your faith and how has faith helped you cope with being forced to experience such personal matters publicly."
I hope Hill's team have more surprises for Trump like Machado for the remaining debates. I'd like her to drop something out of the blue like that at each debate and hear him saying "Where did you find this?" over and over and the campaign forced to deal with it for days on end each time.
When he kept saying that I lost my shit. I couldn't stop laughing.
The Machado thing was very surgical, a deliberate attempt to recreate what we might call the Khan cycle where Trump just keeps digging and digging because he refuses to ignore bait or admit any wrongdoing ever. It was also designed to hurt him with women and latinos, two groups that the analytics team have no doubt singled out.
What other groups will they target, I wonder?
RustyNails
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Hillary needs to hone her answers on trade IMO. She needs to talk about the fact that wage growth is unrelated to trade deals, but with taxation. Talk about her manufacturing plan. She needs to strike the back at Trump when he talks about companies building stuff overseas, and bring his made-in-china ties into question. She needs to bring up how tariffs increase the cost of goods on consumers. Talk it in human terms, like how the price of every item will increase in your local grocery store if Trump has his way. There is no offset elsewhere.
Media is too eager to give the first 30 minutes to Trump, which I find exceedingly ridiculous.
Media is too eager to give the first 30 minutes to Trump, which I find exceedingly ridiculous.
shinra-bansho
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There's probably a ton of times he's bilked white working class people. Or called them names. The campaign just needs one that's succinct and salient.
It won't necessarily get them voting for her. But it might stop them voting for him.
Edit: nuanced answers on the benefits of trade aren't going to work.
It won't necessarily get them voting for her. But it might stop them voting for him.
Edit: nuanced answers on the benefits of trade aren't going to work.
RastaMentality
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Central Park Five on a death penalty question hopefully.
They're giving it to him because he didn't completely implode and they don't want it all to be over so soon.
RustyNails
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Right but if he had not imploded for a little longer the media would have called it a draw. He has laughably low bar to clear whereas Hillary has to pole vault olympic standards basically. The first 30 or so minutes were about trade, NAFTA/TPP and loss of jobs in rust belt.
NYCmetsfan
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Eh it wasn't trade that was hurt her. It was her not answering "why haven't you done it for the last 30 years" she needs to say she has. That was a good line by Trump tbh even if it's bullshit. Point to work she helped upstate NY, things she did a as first lady and some kind of trade thing at state that benefited American workers.
Fragamemnon
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I'd love to see a succinct breakout from the issues of trade and jobs, because Trump heavily associates the two and they aren't really heavily linked in terms of policy.
Neither are "Well that's your opinion.", "Well that is just not accurate." "There are different views about what's good for our country."
She really need to prepare more specific, forceful answers to his trade attacks than she had during the debate.
BlastProcessing
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I think that the first 30 minutes going the way that they did was a direct effect of Clinton's overall strategy. No matter what the subject was, I think Clinton was going to lay back and needle Trump. She wasn't going to waste time defending herself or fighting on his turf.
Instead she repeatedly called him Donald, which infuriates him and attacked the idea that he was a self made man. Once she landed enough punches to put him off balance, she could move on to engaging him more directly. This way, she assures that she only goes toe to toe with an off balance Trump who will be far more predictable and easy to deal with.
Someone on MSNBC compared the debate to a bullfight and I think that metaphor works quite well. You don't fight the Bull at first. You poke it and prod it to enrage it, then you style on it and kill it. It's a process that makes the bull look pathetic and the matador look suave.
Yes.
oh
Well shit
So much for privacy. Guess I should've read the fine print (and went independent...)
AntraxSuicide
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Yeah, he's an option if you're trying to persuade some Trump supporters who were originally in the Cruz camp. The Constitution Party is basically a theocratic party.
Family found out you were a closet liberal?
I mean you could register as a Republican and all it would mean is that (in most states) you wouldn't vote in the Dem primaries.
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