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[PBY]

Meanwhile, in Aurora

https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/783314612498362368

wtffffffffffff

 

[IggyChooChoo]

I don't know about "blow it" but I think this board massively underestimates Pence's speaking ability. The guy had a radio show and knows how to debate. My guess is it is a draw.

In a vacuum I would agree. However, Pence has to defend his record as governor, which is not popular even among Indianans; he has to defend Trump on all sorts of issues, which he has not been good at -- and that's especially troublesome coming off a week that's worse than usual for Trump. Plus his debate prepper was Scott Walker. Kaine may even benefit from slightly lowered expectations due to all this dad talk. So while I doubt it'll be a knockout, I think Kaine has an easier task cut out for him and will generally win the focus group/test audiences, the preponderance pundits, and in our general consensus as well. But I wouldn't be surprised if by Friday all we remember about the debate was that Kaine spoke Spanish and white supremacists on Twitter went insane and Trump refused to disavow or some such nonsense.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

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It would have to be "McCain territory" to be outside the MoE does anyone in the media understand how that works

 

[Lucky Forward]

Meanwhile, in Aurora

https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/783314612498362368

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-clinton-execution-float-aurora-indiana

The float's creator, Frank Linkmeyer, told WCPO that he didn't mean to offend anyone. He said he creates off-the-wall floats for the parade every year and takes jabs at everyone.

"Police officers, judges, nurses, doctors, heart transplant patients — just a variety of things and the people in Aurora and the surrounding area love to see us in the parade," he told the station.

As for the float's apparent political message, Linkmeyer told the station that he could just have easily built the float to show Clinton executing Trump as the other way around.

"Could have had Donald Trump in the electric chair. It was a tossup," Linkemeyer told WCPO.

 

[PBY]

In a vacuum I would agree. However, Pence has to defend his record as governor, which is not popular even among Indianans; he has to defend Trump on all sorts of issues, which he has not been good at -- and that's especially troublesome coming off a week that's worse than usual for Trump. Plus his debate prepper was Scott Walker. Kaine may even benefit from slightly lowered expectations due to all this dad talk. So while I doubt it'll be a knockout, I think Kaine has an easier task cut out for him and will generally win the focus group/test audiences, the preponderance pundits, and in our general consensus as well. But I wouldn't be surprised if by Friday all we remember about the debate was that Kaine spoke Spanish and white supremacists on Twitter went insane and Trump refused to disavow or some such nonsense.

This is going to be so muted and conversational, that there will be no winner or loser. Maybe the tasks will be eaiser for Kaine, but Pence has tap danced around these issues for years now, and he'll do it again, and Kaine will maybe press once, but they'll move on.

 

[IggyChooChoo]

I think pretty much everyone would agree that there's stuff that needs to be fixed with the system.

Obama this week talked about how if he had a partner in Congress rather than a reflexive adversary, they could improve the legislation, didn't he?

 

[royalan]

Put me in the camp that things Kaine needs to be aggressive tonight. He's also got to force Pence to answer for his record, and not just Trump's. Trump's supporters don't care about Pence, but soft Republicans do. They see Pence as the stabilizing force that could make them stomach voting for Trump, and have been willing to let him run independently of Trump's rhetoric.

Liberals need to be reminded of all the shit Pence has pulled.

Both groups need to be reminded that Pence is a monster in his own right. He can't end tonight seen as the Good Guy on the Bad Ticket.

 

[GregLombardi]

Sounds like someone got Colorado high and made a float

 

[BotoxAgent]

Put me in the camp that things Kaine needs to be aggressive tonight. He's also got to force Pence to answer for his record, and not just Trump's. Trump's supporters don't care about Pence, but soft Republicans do. They see Pence as the stabilizing force that could make them stomach voting for Trump, and have been willing to let him run independently of Trump's rhetoric.

Liberals need to be reminded of all the shit Pence has pulled.

Both groups need to be reminded that Pence is a monster in his own right. He can't end tonight seen as the Good Guy on the Bad Ticket.

I agree. People don't really know who Pence is, and they have to use this night to define him as a man as dangerous as Trump.

 

[RustyNails]

To be honest he's right. It's helped millions of people but the system isn't perfect and in a perfect world where congress worked this would have been improved on over the years.

And honestly this message may just resonate with people especially coming from Bill. Hillary can easily campaign in this. Say it's helped people but it can be improved and go from there.

I understand where he was going with it, but I think he slammed it too hard. Just gives fodder to Repubs who have been trying to tear it down for the past 6 years. Everyone agrees it needs improvement. But millions of lives, some on this very forum, have been improved with it and we have testimonies to that fact. Bill as usual does not apply brakes when going off the cuff.

 

[kess]

So now the big question going forward is how long the RNC/GOP continues to waste time and money on Orange Menace while their senators go down the toilet.

Don't think they can keep this charade for long, either he wins the second debate and completely shifts the momentum (hint: he won't) or they publicly start to dump him. Wonder if the Dems also start shifting some resources to the senate races.

Oh and I heard there's a VP debate today.

I've been wondering about this too. If Trump blows up at the second debate, Chris Wallace has no reason to deal with his bullshit, which by then will be actively damaging to downticket Republicans.

 

[RustyNails]

Put me in the camp that things Kaine needs to be aggressive tonight. He's also got to force Pence to answer for his record, and not just Trump's. Trump's supporters don't care about Pence, but soft Republicans do. They see Pence as the stabilizing force that could make them stomach voting for Trump, and have been willing to let him run independently of Trump's rhetoric.

Liberals need to be reminded of all the shit Pence has pulled.

Both groups need to be reminded that Pence is a monster in his own right. He can't end tonight seen as the Good Guy on the Bad Ticket.

How about Kaine swings out his harmonica and plays it after every time he delivers a zing.

 

[IggyChooChoo]

This is going to be so muted and conversational, that there will be no winner or loser. Maybe the tasks will be eaiser for Kaine, but Pence has tap danced around these issues for years now, and he'll do it again, and Kaine will maybe press once, but they'll move on.

Hillary has been so aggressive lately, though. It makes me feel like they're going to want Kaine to really go for it rather than playing for a draw -- if only to rile up our own base.

 

[studyguy]

Just got into work and started reading the Assange stuff.
I can't believe people stayed up for this.

 

[User1608]

https://mobile.twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/783287712405155841/video/1
Hopefully Pence is painted as one and the same as Trump tonight by Kaine. Because they are. Being bigots ensures that.

 

[Teggy]

To be honest he's right. It's helped millions of people but the system isn't perfect and in a perfect world where congress worked this would have been improved on over the years.

And honestly this message may just resonate with people especially coming from Bill. Hillary can easily campaign in this. Say it's helped people but it can be improved and go from there.

But is he giving a plan to improve it or just shitting on it?

 

[Finale Fireworker]

I agree. People don't really know who Pence is, and they have to use this night to define him as a man as dangerous as Trump.

I know what Kaine should do: offer Pence a baby chick. America will watch Pence return to his podium, chick in hand, and he'll have to resist the urge to eat it. The man can't help himself. When he deludes himself into thinking the cameras aren't on him, he'll eat the chick alive.

 

[Box of Kittens]

In a vacuum I would agree. However, Pence has to defend his record as governor, which is not popular even among Indianans; he has to defend Trump on all sorts of issues, which he has not been good at -- and that's especially troublesome coming off a week that's worse than usual for Trump. Plus his debate prepper was Scott Walker. Kaine may even benefit from slightly lowered expectations due to all this dad talk. So while I doubt it'll be a knockout, I think Kaine has an easier task cut out for him and will generally win the focus group/test audiences, the preponderance pundits, and in our general consensus as well. But I wouldn't be surprised if by Friday all we remember about the debate was that Kaine spoke Spanish and white supremacists on Twitter went insane and Trump refused to disavow or some such nonsense.

One correction. It's Hoosiers, not Indianans.

Spoiler

Just don't ask about the origin of the word.

For a variety of reasons I'm not expecting a repeat of Biden-Ryan, but at the very least I don't think this debate will do any harm.

 

[Iolo]

I think that Elon poll was bad and it's not any better just because it shows HRC up this time.

 

[nature boy]

I've been wondering about this too. If Trump blows up at the second debate, Chris Wallace has no reason to deal with his bullshit, which by then will be actively damaging to downticket Republicans.

Sunday is D-Day, either he outperforms bigly or he's toast.
Early voting is a Dem advantage and only prayer he's got is massive turnout on Election day. If he tanks (he will) he'll never recover and Rs need to do the political calculus and cut their losses.

Question is do Ds follow suit, taking their eyes a bit off the Presidential election?

 

[Teggy]

Bernie will also be in MI and WI this week so that's cool.

 

[Wilsongt]

https://twitter.com/electionsmith/status/782929522773680128

Damn, that's a lot of fraud.

 

[RustyNails]

Sunday is D-Day, either he outperforms bigly or he's toast.
Early voting is a Dem advantage and only prayer he's got is massive turnout on Election day. If he tanks (he will) he'll never recover and Rs need to do the political calculus and cut their losses.

Question is do Ds follow suit, taking their eyes a bit off the Presidential election?

Absolutely nothing suggests Dems take their eyes off the main prize. Maria Cardona said something important last night, and it's that Democrats are working this election with the mindset they are ten points down, meaning they are wanting to balloon her lead to unreachable heights. If in case Assange does release the email where Ben Ghazi killed Vince Foster and pillowed Scalia to death, they will still have a huge advantage.

 

[IggyChooChoo]

One correction. It's Hoosiers, not Indianans.

Spoiler

Just don't ask about the origin of the word.

Good point. My son is technically a Hoosier. I should probably try to internalize this information rather than mentally suppressing it every time that fact percolates up to the surface of my consciousness.

 

[JP_]

So when's wikileaks video go up? Before debate?

 

[balladofwindfishes]

So when's wikileaks video go up? Before debate?

Already did. Was a major flop. Just an advertisement for a book and a load of nothing.

 

[Boke1879]

So when's wikileaks video go up? Before debate?

Don't even worry about it. Don't even give it attention. Nobody is even sure anything goes up.

 

[BotoxAgent]

Damn, that's a lot of fraud.

so how many racist foot soldiers does Trump need to properly defend the freedom of these polling places?

 

[Bronx-Man]

I can't believe how hard and fast NC went blue. Or maybe I just haven't had an accurate perception of North Carolina all these years.

HB2 lit a fire under everyone's asses.

 

[Box of Kittens]

Good point. My son is technically a Hoosier. I should probably try to internalize this information rather than mentally suppressing it every time that fact percolates up to the surface of my consciousness.

It's really such a bizarre thing. How often does a demonym have so little relation to the place name and have no clear origin? I used to dislike being referred to as a Hoosier but I've come to embrace it (even though I don't live in Indiana any more).

 

[Emarv]

This is the power of the modern media in a nutshell. Hardly anybody has heard a lot of Trump's housing discrimination history despite multiple front page stories.

 

[Boke1879]

Damn, that's a lot of fraud.

Are we sure that number is accurate. Seems a huge number lol

 

[Joeytj]

So when's wikileaks video go up? Before debate?

Ir already did, early morning. Turned out to be so much nothing, it made Alex Jones and the alt-right turn against Wikileaks.

Assange basically pulled a Trump and baited the alt-right into watching an hour infomertial.

 

[DrForester]

Sounds like someone got Colorado high and made a float

Aurora, Indiana. Not Colorado.

 

[Boke1879]

Ir already did, early morning. Turned out to be so much nothing, it made Alex Jones and the alt-right turn against Wikileaks.

Assange basically pulled a Trump and baited the alt-right into watching an hour infomertial.

This is the funniest shit. I was in that hashtag on twitter and many trump supporters were talking about unfollowing etc lol.

 

[ShadowSwordmaster]

So when's wikileaks video go up? Before debate?

IIt already happen this morning. And here is the summary of it.

 

[Effect]

How is Kaine in debates? Anyone have any idea of what we could expect tonight?

 

[Fox318]

This is the power of the modern media in a nutshell. Hardly anybody has heard a lot of Trump's housing discrimination history despite multiple front page stories.

What about the WIFI cancer waves?

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

How is Kaine in debates? Anyone have any idea of what we could expect tonight?

"I'm not upset with you Mike, I'm disappointed."

 

[NYCmetsfan]

https://votecompass.vox.com/

Vox just launched an actually useful political compass

The old one was infuriating

 

[whyamihere]

If she's +6 in NC, she would be ahead or at least tied in GA.

So color me skeptical of that poll.

What Georgia polling has been done recently as a point of reference?

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

"I'm not upset with you Mike, I'm disappointed."

How is Pence going to campaign after he loses car privileges for a week?

 

[nature boy]

Absolutely nothing suggests Dems take their eyes off the main prize. Maria Cardona said something important last night, and it's that Democrats are working this election with the mindset they are ten points down, meaning they are wanting to balloon her lead to unreachable heights. If in case Assange does release the email where Ben Ghazi killed Vince Foster and pillowed Scalia to death, they will still have a huge advantage.

Tell that to Strickland.

(I'm joking).

What Georgia polling has been done recently as a point of reference?

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-georgia-president-trump-vs-clinton

Take out the crappy IPSOS/UPI polls and he has a small cushion.

 

[kevin1025]

CNN had video of Pence and Trump coming out of the Trump plane together, and I swear to god, they were wearing the same pants, same belt, and same shirt, just the shirt was a different color.

Is it possible Trump is making Pence wear his Trump brand clothing...?

 

[JP_]

Ir already did, early morning. Turned out to be so much nothing, it made Alex Jones and the alt-right turn against Wikileaks.

Assange basically pulled a Trump and baited the alt-right into watching an hour infomertial.

 

[whyamihere]

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-georgia-president-trump-vs-clinton

Take out the crappy IPSOS/UPI polls and he has a small cushion.

There's nothing post-debate though, so there really isn't anything to compare it to. I don't think she's up 6 in NC, but I also don't think there is any comparable polling in GA.

 

[ShadowSwordmaster]

CNN had video of Pence and Trump coming out of the Trump plane together, and I swear to god, they were wearing the same pants, same belt, and same shirt, just the shirt was a different color.

Is it possible Trump is making Pence wear his Trump brand clothing...?

I'm 75% sure that is the case.

 

[Slayven]

HB2 lit a fire under everyone's asses.

Shit goes down when you lose billions of dollars, and thousands of jobs over piss and shit

 

[Abinash117]

This is the power of the modern media in a nutshell. Hardly anybody has heard a lot of Trump's housing discrimination history despite multiple front page stories.

I think Hillary really needs to hit on how partial Trump is. She focused on some issues and on his temperament and lack of experience, but not much on how partial he is. The things like the housing discrimination and his prejudice past should immediately disqualify him. She did bring up him screwing his workers, but I don't think she really hammered to down to him being so discriminatory to many people and properly explain it how some like that can be a president.

 

[Dany]

Is there a VP debate thread going up?