BronzeWolf
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PoliGAF 2016 |OT11| Well this is exciting
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True, maybe SCOTUS
Doc Holliday
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Agreed, Pence has always been an extremely polished politician. Polished to a fault, he's the prototypical senator. He's tough to debate because anything he says sounds reasonable because of his delivery.
sturgboski
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No, 2024 is Michelle Obama time. Kaine can stay VP if he wants, depending on how these 8 years go.
metalslimer
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Haha Rachel has been dragging the moderator all night
But he's confirming that his dad is not willing to shift gears in regards to debate strategy. He speaks from the heart blah blah.
She was horrid.
Officerrob
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She wasn't good, at all.
BronzeWolf
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Michelle is not running
She managed to treat both candidates poorly.
He won optically imo. He was smooth, calm, and collected. IT doesn't do shit to help their tickets chances, but people win debates generally by how they act.
You're right. He didn't do shit for Trump and I really hope the media pushes the narrative that he looked to be setting himself up for a 2020 run by not really defending his running mate.
You can also attack Pence for many things he said regarding abortion and race.
AnotherNils
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As long as the moderators have no power, they will always suck.
Hahahaha I like him. Dude is good at his job and has interesting hobbies
sturgboski
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There's an exactly 0% chance of Michelle Obama running for office for the rest of her life.
It's official: Ben Ghazi was a republican all along
It's official: Ben Ghazi was a republican all along
Emails?
The problem with a debate like this is that the "winner" and "loser" is as much determined by who controls the news cycle the next day as the debate itself. This is a test for the media: to report on this debate would require either acknowledging the significant daylight between Pence and Trump, or disputing Pence's lies about Trump's statements and policies.
(this is a test they will fail.)
I'm very much on board the Jamelle Bouie train of thought this election, which is--if the only role of journalists is to play theatre critic, then why exactly does the media exist?
(this is a test they will fail.)
I'm very much on board the Jamelle Bouie train of thought this election, which is--if the only role of journalists is to play theatre critic, then why exactly does the media exist?
I do feel bad for her though. Especially since it was one of our guys who was giving her the hardest time.
RustyNails
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Man I love Paul Begala lol
PantherLotus
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1. Nobody that can be moved was watching;
2. Everybody that was watching knows Pence was lying;
3. ...
Y'all really think Pence won? Nonsense. His job, assuming he was given one, was to undermine support for Hillary. 'looking better' and 'sounding more presidential' might put him in a better position 4-8 years from now, but he did not win this debate simply by running out the clock. Calling bullshit on all of you. He lost because he couldn't defend his candidate on any point at all. Not ONE.
You all are reading this all wrong. Kaine was fine and though Pence didn't bite, he was on his heels the entire night and didn't land a single punch. Pence lost and Pence lost badly. And Trump is about 3-5 hours from making this loss much worse.
2. Everybody that was watching knows Pence was lying;
3. ...
Y'all really think Pence won? Nonsense. His job, assuming he was given one, was to undermine support for Hillary. 'looking better' and 'sounding more presidential' might put him in a better position 4-8 years from now, but he did not win this debate simply by running out the clock. Calling bullshit on all of you. He lost because he couldn't defend his candidate on any point at all. Not ONE.
You all are reading this all wrong. Kaine was fine and though Pence didn't bite, he was on his heels the entire night and didn't land a single punch. Pence lost and Pence lost badly. And Trump is about 3-5 hours from making this loss much worse.
brianmcdoogle
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That beat with Van Jones was great as well as the Chester A Arthur line.
Even the e-mail thing was half-hearted. He only mentioned it like once or twice. Not sure what was wrong with him tonight.
Yeah I dont get why he think 2020 is going to be viable for him.
Randolph Freelander
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"I'm going to tell you like Shaggy. It wasn't me."
Dubbedinenglish
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Really felt like the Email thing has finally lost power tho. Even when MIKEPENCE brought it up felt like everyone glazed over at the lines and the other time the moderator just ran over him talking about it.
I will say Kaine did do a much better way of prosecuting the Russia/Trump angle than before.
It also helps that Trump has spent his entire campaign seating reporters in the punji pit and sicking his supporters on them. There is very little journalistic good will left in this race for Trump.
edit - Trump literally pointed at the reporters at his rally today and told his supporters that they "are the enemy". He's been doing it nonstop.
If that's the case then tomorrow should continue that line of discussion, at least in the morning. Then the ads start.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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White evangelicals are easily Trump's strongest demo because white evangelicals hate Muslims.
He's 72% favorable among white evangelicals which is better than Rmoney because evangelicals hate Mormons.
Randolph Freelander
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Dubbedinenglish
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One ad I hope they cut is Kaine calling Trump a mandman with nukes and Pence freezing. Strongest moment of the night for me.
Bonen no Max'd
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80% and 85% (I have no idea if these are real numbers) are both fucktons but Trump needs the biggest fuckton he can get.
balladofwindfishes
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Fact checkers are going to have fun with this one
Roland_Gunner
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Four months ago Pence was on the way to losing the Indiana governorship. Tonight he got to a 90 minute advert for himself on national TV. Why shouldn't he be looking at 2020?
Well Kaine kept the entire focus on Trump. I have no doubts Pence was going to attack Clinton and when he did Kaine defended.
Randolph Freelander
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Just shows that evangelical is codename for racist bigot.
The Trump/Pence ticket already creating jobs.
Randolph Freelander
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RustyNails
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CNN: Who won the debate
Pence 48
Kaine 42
Pence 48
Kaine 42
metalslimer
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Looking back Kaine moving at lightning speed allowed him to very quickly get through the defnese of the Foundation and E-mails without having to get into too much detail.
Yep a draw, but the fact checkers will destroy Pence's denial of everything. If the best Trump can do is tie in the next two this race is completely over.
Yep a draw, but the fact checkers will destroy Pence's denial of everything. If the best Trump can do is tie in the next two this race is completely over.
Sure, but you would think he'd be blurting out "33 THOUSAND CLASSIFIED EMAILS, SENATOR!" every 15 seconds just based on oral muscle memory.
I'll take that.
hey sometimes it isn't about winning, it's about not losing
titiklabingapat
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CNN instant polls show Pence won 48 to 42.
I'd like point out that the sample was more Democratic but it mirrored the national polls that followed afterwards. So it seems like it was a wash overall, which means a Clinton win.
I'd like point out that the sample was more Democratic but it mirrored the national polls that followed afterwards. So it seems like it was a wash overall, which means a Clinton win.
Looks about right.
I was expecting 61 / 30 so very good.
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