GutsOfThor
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I saw that on my facebook that the emails were trending again and wondered what the fuck it was.
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I saw that on my facebook that the emails were trending again and wondered what the fuck it was.
Bruce Springsteen
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Many people think Winston is innocent so I wouldn't lump him with Ben
CoffeeJanitor
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im still confused
Can't trust the police tbh...
Fuck people. They ('friends') had the biggest wtf face when I defended him.
Spiritreaver
Member
Yeah... This is the stuff I'm panicking about.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I love football, but I'm not surprised by this based on general interactions with fans. Lots of intolerance, sadly.
Edit:
And to ask again for the new page, am I misreading those Iowa absentee ballots, or do the democrats have only half what they did at this point in 2012?
Aaron Strife
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Adrian Peterson beat his son and people still love him here.
The things one has to do to actually generate social outrage are all about challenging the system. People beating kids, raping women, etc are all things society has numbed to (and in some cases actively encourage).
The things one has to do to actually generate social outrage are all about challenging the system. People beating kids, raping women, etc are all things society has numbed to (and in some cases actively encourage).
It's mostly bullshit and the media has barely mentioned it. This isn't really a drip anymore, more like a trickle after the last shake.
A Link to the Past
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To be fair, Kaepernick leads in dislikes because he is relevant; kind of like Trump being more disliked than David Duke.
Granted, AP should be remembered for being a bad person so that's not an excuse.
Granted, AP should be remembered for being a bad person so that's not an excuse.
These polls are inherently fickle. I understand the point you're making, but Marshawn etc. probably led this at points as well. It's noise on the whole. AP would have led after his thing. Ray Rice same deal.
Now, of course, those things I just mentioned are actual awful things and all that, but it's just whoever is "standing out" that gets maligned as the NFL is really all about falling in line and who is getting press at the time.
metalslimer
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The situation with the cops just feels like it will never get better...
Spiritreaver
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It's not about Kaepernick being disliked. It's about race relations and this increased tension. Not just blacks being upset, but whites demanding order and belittling race issues. That is worthy of panic.
balladofwindfishes
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Panic over what?
Spiritreaver
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....things getting worse?
Unfortunately. This situation will pass in a couple of days. If anything Trump will continue to harp on this and demand cops get tougher and reiterate his stop and frisk policy etc.
But largely by the weekend this will be over. I mean after the Dallas cops got killed that situation even blew over.
balladofwindfishes
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A poll about a football player feels pretty minor compared to the actual riots going on.
If Trump gets elected these riots will be more frequent and far worse, I believe.
Unfortunately it's not something that can be fixed at the Federal level. The President and Congress can take action and try and do as much as they can, but at the end of the day the fix needs to be local otherwise this will keep happening. That's probably why you have that feeling.
Spiritreaver
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That's exactly what I was trying to say. I agree.
I mean. This has been a thing since forever. We've been down this road before and unfortunately it just goes away.
Thankfully you have one candidate who recognizes the issue and can talk about it in a nuanced way.
Unfortunately you have another candidate who will use this to fan the flames of fear and hate.
It's partly why I do think these incidents, as bad as they are, do help things on a wider scale. It will undoubtedly take a long time (and outcomes will be uneven across communities), but the awareness and outcry and so on is increasing by all accounts. Of course, that leads to layers of partisan elements and unrest, but more and more people are talking about this and many clearly do want it to be better.
Spiritreaver
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It's a big unfortunately in my eyes. Can't wait to see what Trump has to say.
TumblingHippo
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I feel like, as a white person, this year feels so depressing, this election feels so scary, but then I just think about how others have felt this fear their whole lives because of the way this country can be, and how this year is escalating. So yeah, doesn't matter how I feel, really, but it's just butts because if the wrong orange person gets elected this year it'll only get worse for a lot of people, and white people won't care and might even celebrate it getting worse.
And then again it'll probably get worse if the orange loses.
And then again it'll probably get worse if the orange loses.
You'd be surprised, I am sure.
Just know, even when November is over, Trump will never be gone. He'll continue to spew his nonsense everywhere, especially on Twitter.
They said that in 2008, and then in 2012.
This is gonna depend on whoever the repubs put up as their next candidate in 2020
Well he already says Police should be tougher and use "stop and frisk". Let him talk about this and go all in if he wants to. He'll do it anyway.
They can read a close (or "rigged" if you will) election as illegitimate and take it as a mandate to spend the next four years obstructing the living shit out of everything.
After 2012. The GOP had a postmortem on that whole election cycle. Then they nominated Donald Trump to be their President.
Donald Trump needs to lose. I feel once that happens he'll have truly damaged the GOP for at least 8 years.
Bonen no Max'd
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Why is Iowa a swing state in the first place?
But were Jeb/Rubio/Kasich to the right of Romney?
Trump and even Cruz were wild cards after all
Officerrob
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Non college educated white people
Aaron Strife
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Uneducated white people.
Clinton is gaining with college educated whites, but Trump is with whites with no college education. That impacts states like Iowa, Nevada, Ohio and Maine's 2nd.
There's always a chance republicans get a nixon style candidate to face hilary and hilary loses the next election.I think the chances of that happening are insanely small because it's harder for high profile and good presidential candidates to sacrifice themselves as candidates for a political party that loses elections over and over again unless they are sure they would win that election.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Rubio is extremely far to the right of Romney.
Anyway, the race between Brownback and Malloy for least liked governor in America rages on:
https://morningconsult.com/governor-approval-rankings-september-2016/
LePage still has 39% of Maine approving of him despite LePage being the clearest racist in American politics since the death of Strom Thurmond, impressive.
Anyway, the race between Brownback and Malloy for least liked governor in America rages on:
https://morningconsult.com/governor-approval-rankings-september-2016/
LePage still has 39% of Maine approving of him despite LePage being the clearest racist in American politics since the death of Strom Thurmond, impressive.
This is the November surprise I don't think most people have thought about.
After losing a presidential election, most candidates go into hibernation for months (if they are Senators) or many months if they aren't in government. They lay low, reflect, and try not to fuck with the party anymore. That's not going to happen with Trump. He'll be trying to delegitimize Clinton on November 7th at 10PM and will not stop. I have a feeling he'll consolidate his supporters more than other candidates after he loses and he'll royally fuck up the GOP's plans to realign AGAIN after 2016.
Bonen no Max'd
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I actually meant "why can Democrats win there", I'm not really seeing what separates it with somewhere like Kansas.
Yeah, he won't go peacefully into the night. It'll be a legendary and horrifying sight to see.
Yup. I wonder if the man will even give a concessions speech. Or concede at all.
That's why I said he'll do more damage to the GOP if he loses. He'll have a group of supporters and he won't go away, and I truly believe he still wants to start his own network.
As long as the November surprise isn't a massive stock market crash, I'm ok with this.
Those whites are usually pro-goverment spending (thanks to farm subsidies) and a young liberal population in Iowa's urban areas.
At the very least, if he doesn't go quietly, he may well hand Clinton reelection by whipping the tea party and crazies into a frenzy and making it impossible for the GOP to elect someone that isn't another Trump.
Thunder Monkey
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This century is going to be a time of some pretty significant anger and upheaval by white supremacy groups. White people by the end of this century will be one minority of many.
It'll take decades of black and latino presidents not being racist shitheels like prior white presidents before they may begin to feel safe with the changing America.
I haven't been looking forward to that future, I'm honestly kind of shocked it came this quick. And if this is just the beginning... it's likely to get a lot worse.
White people have had unfettered power in this country since taking it from the indigenous peoples. Every institution has had or continues to have a white bias. This next century will be the time that equalizes and then slants. White people won't like that. And sadly Trump is just the opening salvo.
Normalizing it with a failure, only for an adept politician to use a variation of it next time.
Terrifying.
It'll take decades of black and latino presidents not being racist shitheels like prior white presidents before they may begin to feel safe with the changing America.
I haven't been looking forward to that future, I'm honestly kind of shocked it came this quick. And if this is just the beginning... it's likely to get a lot worse.
White people have had unfettered power in this country since taking it from the indigenous peoples. Every institution has had or continues to have a white bias. This next century will be the time that equalizes and then slants. White people won't like that. And sadly Trump is just the opening salvo.
Normalizing it with a failure, only for an adept politician to use a variation of it next time.
Terrifying.
Dubbedinenglish
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I can't see a world where he gives a concession. I think he is going to blame voter fraud and "rigged" voting and claim to be fighting it in courts.
As far a Trump leading a political insurgency? I doubt it. That would take work and conviction. He'll throw a tantrum but this will be his biggest failure on the public stage, the RNC showed he cannot take a stage this big. I don't think he'll ever reconcile losing in his mind.
PantherLotus
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I can see why this thread is as manic as it is.
Why exactly are strongmen politicians always more popular with the poorly educated? Is it because working class culture tends to be more macho?
I've studied a fair amount of Russian history, and throughout the Stalinist period he was pretty beloved by the rural poor. Farmers not affected by the famine saw his collectivism as a necessary means to turn Russia into a modern socialist nation, and Russian attitudes toward the mass killings of bureaucrats and politicians don't seem to have been very critical.
According to people I know who have lived in Russia, Stalin is viewed overwhelmingly positively uneducated Russians. It's not a matter of ignorance. Stalin's purges are very, very well-known in modern Russia.
You see the same kind of attitude toward Putin and the insurgent far-right candidates in Europe.
I've studied a fair amount of Russian history, and throughout the Stalinist period he was pretty beloved by the rural poor. Farmers not affected by the famine saw his collectivism as a necessary means to turn Russia into a modern socialist nation, and Russian attitudes toward the mass killings of bureaucrats and politicians don't seem to have been very critical.
According to people I know who have lived in Russia, Stalin is viewed overwhelmingly positively uneducated Russians. It's not a matter of ignorance. Stalin's purges are very, very well-known in modern Russia.
You see the same kind of attitude toward Putin and the insurgent far-right candidates in Europe.
Spiritreaver
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True, true. I try not to get too bothered, but it's depressing when you come to that realization that there's a candidate this far along that actively wants to ruin the lives of several groups of people. He's got tons of support behind him.
...Then I find myself arguing with Busters who just don't "get" it.
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