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[aspiegamer]

I'm xposting this from the Oculus thread because I think it's more fitting of consideration over here.

Pretty amazing that people ignored /pol/ to the point where their ilk can now influence American politics. Which is kind of what that board always wanted.

If anything, in hindsight, we should be glad these people didn't stumble into real politics sooner. This is probably the "thing" history will take from this election. The right combination of the wrong people online brought out the absolute worst of America. Yeah, all the varied sentiments and hatreds were already there, but there wasn't a larger umbrella movement to cling to or specific thing to say you stood for. Then Trump came along. The guy who only expressing things via hating them.

For the past 15 years it's been Democratic candidates that have benefited from the evolving internet in one way or another, and for constructive purposes. The r/s4p crowd started teetering on the line of constructive vs destructive at the end but I'd still rate it a net positive. Again, we really should have seen this coming at some point since it's way easier to organize angry people online than it is excited people. "Signal to noise ratio" is going to be a buzzword for future campaigns.

Also fuck Oculus.

 

[royalan]

Who is Oculus Rift? Is she a queen who got eliminated first in a season of Drag Race?

 

[Debirudog]

a shitty overrated VR device.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

With regards to /pol/

"Containment boards" were the dumbest idea ever if anyone truly believed in them. I'm convinced that Diet Racist white people just didn't want to have anything to do with promoting racial justice, but didn't want to see NeoNazi posts and then created the idea of "containment boards" afterward.

 

[Vahagn]

You guys have to go to my twitter and read my timeline. I ventured into white supremacist racist twitter on this Charlotte stuff and the tweets are mind-numbing.

https://twitter.com/MiraQLis

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

You guys have to go to my twitter and read my timeline. I ventured into white supremacist racist twitter on this Charlotte stuff and the tweets are mind-numbing.

https://twitter.com/MiraQLis

I'm pretty sure you're responding to center-right Twitter tbh.

"Murder Charlotte protesters" was defended pretty thoroughly by a lot of "libertarians" and other Never Trump conservatives.

 

[Iolo]

Hope the Trump camp didn't invite Ben Ghazi

Monica.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

edit: Here's their statement!

UT College of Law Dean Melanie D. Wilson said in a statement Thursday morning that she and university administrators are investigating the matter, calling Reynold’s post an “irresponsible use of his platform.”

“The university is committed to academic freedom, freedom of speech, and diverse viewpoints, all of which are important for an institution of higher education and the free exchange of ideas,” she wrote. “My colleagues and I in the university’s leadership support peaceful disobedience and all forms of free speech, but we do not support violence or language that encourages violence.”

She called the concerns about the tweet from students and staff, along with those from citizens across the country, “serious and legitimate.”

Chancellor Jimmy Cheek released a statement about an hour later supporting Wilson and her comments.

“Wilson’s statement about the faculty member’s social media post reinforces the university’s commitment to fostering a civil and inclusive learning environment,” he said in a news release.

And it's almost nothing!

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/local/...-run-down-charlotte-protesters-394398621.html

 

[thepotatoman]

I'm pretty sure you're responding to center-right Twitter tbh.

"Murder Charlotte protesters" was defended pretty thoroughly by a lot of "libertarians" and other Never Trump conservatives.

Now that you mention it, from my experience the arguments made about these sort of racial issues are exactly the same from open white supremacists and moderate conservatives if you actually have a serious conversation with them. The white supremacists are just more likely to throw in blatantly racist terms and jokes.

I guess that's not too surprising since they both get most of their news and opinions from the same "not racist but #1 with racists" Fox News.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

So Clinton campaign has no Spanish language ads yet?

 

[thebloo]

I can't even comprehend the spin somebody could come up with for that. It is totally inexcusable.

When I said white, I didn't actually mean white as in race. I mean white as in good. Good vs bad, light vs dark, white vs black, ya know? Guys? Guys?

 

[User 463088]

So Clinton campaign has no Spanish language ads yet?

Why should she be doing this right now? If your argument is she needs to do it for turnout, now is around the time where that's an actual thing. And, like, there are better ways to drive turnout than Spanish language ads. So, I think her strategy is fine.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Why should she be doing this right now? If your argument is she needs to do it for turnout, now is around the time where that's an actual thing. And, like, there are better ways to drive turnout than Spanish language ads. So, I think her strategy is fine.

To give Latinos a reason to vote for her and not just against Trump. I remember Obama went up pretty early with Spanish language ads.

She had some great targeted ads during primaries, surprised they haven't already started along similar lines.

 

[nature boy]

Quiero a Kaine en Florida, no en Ellen! ¡TRISTE!

Trump-Hannity African-American "outreach" still hasn't aired? Wow.

 

[Toxi]

With regards to /pol/

"Containment boards" were the dumbest idea ever if anyone truly believed in them. I'm convinced that Diet Racist white people just didn't want to have anything to do with promoting racial justice, but didn't want to see NeoNazi posts and then created the idea of "containment boards" afterward.

/pol/ actually does work as a containment board when you realize "containment board" just refers to containing constant obnoxious shitposting and not to containing general bigoted attitudes. If you take down /pol/, the people from there protest by trying to annoy everyone else on the site.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Because Ellen reaches a crap ton of women to be swayed by his affable dadjoke charm.

 

[aaaaa0]

Wait a second. Did Trump actually just suggest taking people's guns away?

http://www.thehill.com/blogs/ballot...-for-police-to-take-guns-away-during-stop-and

“Basically, they will, if they see — you know, they are proactive and if they see a person possibly with a gun or they think may have a gun, they will see the person, and they will look, and they will take the gun away,” Trump said in an interview with "Fox and Friends."
“They will stop, they will frisk, and they will take the gun away, and they don’t have anything to shoot with.”

So we have a Republican candidate that supports violating the 4th Amendment, violating the 2nd Amendment, and confiscation of guns in the space of 5 seconds, and he still wants to claim Hillary is the one that wants to "take your guns away"?!

Video of actual quote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWPN5xG817M&feature=youtu.be&t=5m32s

NRA support withdrawn in 3...2...1...

 

[johnsmith]

Wait a second. Did Trump actually just suggest taking people's guns away?

http://www.thehill.com/blogs/ballot...-for-police-to-take-guns-away-during-stop-and
Video of actual quote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWPN5xG817M&feature=youtu.be&t=5m32s

NRA support withdrawn in 3...2...1...

He suggested taking brown people's guns away. Big difference.

 

[Toxi]

Wait a second. Did Trump actually just suggest taking people's guns away?

http://www.thehill.com/blogs/ballot...-for-police-to-take-guns-away-during-stop-and

So we have a Republican candidate that supports violating the 4th Amendment, violating the 2nd Amendment, and confiscation of guns in the space of 5 seconds, and he still wants to claim Hillary is the one that wants to "take your guns away"?!

Video of actual quote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWPN5xG817M&feature=youtu.be&t=5m32s

NRA support withdrawn in 3...2...1...

Team_Alucard has no comment.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Stop and frisk. Black outreach.

 

[thebloo]

Q: What is stop and frisk?
A: They will stop, they will frisk

The most Trumpian of statements.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Catching up on Sam Bee.
I've been busier this past couple of weeks and didn't realise just how much Trump messed with the media with his stupid birther press conference.
And how pissy they got about it. Lol.

 

[User 463088]

Anyone want to venture a guess as to why USC hasn't updated today?

 

[Clefargle]

Loving this clip of Sam Seder from the "Majority Report" completely destroying Jimmy Dore from TYT on the topic of strategic voting by the left. It should be required viewing for any millennial liberal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH_pgiRdm7U&feature=youtu.be

 

[cartoon_soldier]

I wanted Clinton campaign to destroy Trump on this nation wide stop and frisk policy proposal.

 

[Oblivion]

Loving this clip of Sam Seder from the "Majority Report" completely destroying Jimmy Dore from TYT on the topic of strategic voting by the left. It should be required viewing for any millennial liberal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH_pgiRdm7U&feature=youtu.be

I was listening to him (Jimmy) as recently as last week and he's still bitching about Hillary beating Bernie.

I mean, I really like him and think he's pretty damn funny, but holy shit, this is getting borderline obsessive.

 

[sazzy]

Mika said at the start of the show today that Joe's son has been in a pretty bad car accident

 

[sazzy]

New Clinton ad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHGPbl-werw

Best one so far.

 

[StopMakingSense]

Anyone want to venture a guess as to why USC hasn't updated today?

I'm in LA, let me drive over to the campus right now and ask them.

 

[thebloo]

Mika said at the start of the show today that Joe's son has been in a pretty bad car accident

All I could find says "fractured skull". Yikes, hope he's ok.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

New Clinton ad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHGPbl-werw

Best one so far.

Good one.

Still want more positive ones though. Combine this with Hillary's strong record on women's issues, the woman's rights are human rights thing in another ad too.

 

[sazzy]

I'm quite surprised how much exposure Hillary's Two Ferns interview is getting. Its on TV and news websites everywhere.

 

[Clefargle]

I was listening to him (Jimmy) as recently as last week and he's still bitching about Hillary beating Bernie.

I mean, I really like him and think he's pretty damn funny, but holy shit, this is getting borderline obsessive.

Well it's only an opinion, but he isn't funny at all to me. I watch TYT daily and hear all of his dumb jokes that are super cringe worthy and sound like they are all pulled straight from r/s4p. I can't stand his intellectually empty rhetoric and his worthless strategy devoid of all nuance. He has so much of his persona crafted around being an "angry progressive" that he can't let go of what happened to Bernie. Now moving to Stein is the obvious next move but it is also devoid of strategy because she won't win. I loved seeing Sam take him down smoothly and calmly. Sam is so much more collected and informed that it makes jimmy appear entirely unprepared and uneducated about politics in general. And that's because he is, and that's why TYT gave him his own segment. Just like on the right, there is a sizeable portion of the left that is wholly uninterested in reality or strategy and just want to hear someone yell things they agree with all day.

 

[Finale Fireworker]

I'm quite surprised how much exposure Hillary's Two Ferns interview is getting. Its on TV and news websites everywhere.

Good exposure still?

I already love Hillary Clinton, so I have no idea how this ad might impact a skeptic.

 

[aaaaa0]

I was listening to him (Jimmy) as recently as last week and he's still bitching about Hillary beating Bernie.

I mean, I really like him and think he's pretty damn funny, but holy shit, this is getting borderline obsessive.

Jimmy Dore is nuts. There are a million ways his insane "let Trump get elected, fail, and hopefully destroy the Republican party" plan can backfire.

Not the least of which is, if Trump wins, the Republicans will probably control the House, the Senate, and the Presidency. And probably shortly thereafter, the Supreme Court.

Trump has already suggested he'll cede most of his power to Mike Pence, and will probably happily sign anything the Republicans come up with, as long as they keep complimenting him and let him keep the spotlight doing speeches and rallies -- after all, he's narcissistic enough to want the adulation and attention, but probably not motivated or smart enough to actually do the hard work of governing.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Remember when Bill's Vice President, Al Gore, gave TYT their own tv show?

 

[Slayven]

Jimmy Dore is nuts. There are a million ways his insane "let Trump get elected, fail, and hopefully destroy the Republican party" plan can backfire.

Not the least of which is, if Trump wins, the Republicans will probably control the House, the Senate, and the Presidency. And probably shortly thereafter, the Supreme Court.

Trump has already suggested he'll cede most of his power to Mike Pence, and will probably happily sign anything the Republicans come up with, as long as they keep complimenting him and let him keep the spotlight doing speeches and rallies -- after all, he's narcissistic enough to want the adulation and attention, but probably not motivated or smart enough to actually do the hard work of governing.

all of this.

 

[User 463088]

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article103597247.html

New Marist poll

H2H

Queen-48
Asshole-41

4 way

Queen-45
Dumbfuck-39
Aleppo?-10
WIFI KILLS-4

On immigration, they prefer her by 54-41.

On creating good jobs, they prefer her by 49-43.

On trade, they prefer her by 52-42.

And on handling terrorism, they prefer her over Trump by 52-41.

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article103597247.html#storylink=cpy

 

[Deleted member 231381]

A year after Denmark had a Nazi party take 21% of the vote seems like a very strange time to be arguing that far right politics are spurred by a lacking welfare state now that I think about it.

If DPP is a Nazi party, the Republicans are also a Nazi party. The DPP is actually more moderate than Trump: compare their stances on Syrian refugees, for example. This means the welfare state-less America is heading towards ~45%, so Denmark is doing pretty well.

That's a bit of a facile answer, though I thought I'd point it out. The real answer is that no, the welfare state isn't the most important factor here, although it can ameliorate. No amount of increased welfare from the state can make up for flatlining earnings; no amount of benefits really makes up for the indignity of unemployment and the loss of stature; and some pity from the cultural elite doesn't make up for the fact that the professionalization of politics across Western countries has removed the voice of the working class. The cause of rising far-right sentiment is this stagnation and feeling of being left behind and ignored; the losers of economic liberalism and globalization. Tackling it means more than just having more generous unemployment provisions; it means bringing back jobs, retraining people whose livelihoods have fallen by the wayside, trying to increase wages, and so on.

You go up to the north Welsh valleys and those places are sad. They were killed in 1984 by Mrs. Thatcher and the world didn't even bother with a funeral. Unemployment is crossgenerational and endemic. Towns are crumbling. Schools barely have the resources they need to function. Anyone who can make it gets out as fast as they can. There's no jobs. There's no hope. These were and to an extent are Labour strongholds. But they don't recognize the Labour Party; it's full of those ivory tower folk now, who don't represent them and even worse, don't make the effort to understand them. These areas were Brexit landslides. It's the same story in France - the Front National does best in places that in the 1980s were Socialist bastions. It's the same story in Germany - AfD does best in the East! And, of course, it's the same story in America. Trump is the candidate of rurality and rust.

Plus ça change.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Hey look, more polls that make Rass look like idiots

 

[Finale Fireworker]

So what is the most realistic way to reconcile these last two polls that show a large national lead for Clinton and the Fox News poll that shows weak Clinton numbers in important states?

 

[Deleted member 231381]

So what is the most realistic way to reconcile these last two polls that show a large national lead for Clinton and the Fox News poll that shows weak Clinton numbers in important states?

Trump's vote is efficiently distributed; Clinton is running up large margins in some states.

 

[Zukkoyaki]

Excellent Marist poll! I'm sensing that we're either shifting or already back at around a 3-4 Clinton lead after a couple of weeks of a 1-2 Clinton lead.

A strong debate performance could put this to bed next week.

So what is the most realistic way to reconcile these last two polls that show a large national lead for Clinton and the Fox News poll that shows weak Clinton numbers in important states?

State polls usually lag national by a week or so. Also some states like Iowa seem to really dig Trump.

 

[User 463088]

Trump's vote is efficiently distributed; Clinton is running up large margins in some states.

Eh. No. I don't think so. She's under performing in some blue states. There are a few exceptions, such as Maryland, but....no. I'ma need more evidence to back up your assertion. I think it's probably, you know, like how it almost always is. State polls lag a bit behind national ones.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Eh. No. I don't think so. She's under performing in some blue states. There are a few exceptions, such as Maryland, but....no. I'ma need more evidence to back up your assertion. I think it's probably, you know, like how it almost always is. State polls lag a bit behind national ones.

State polls don't always lag behind national ones. As a general group, they tend to lag because they tend to be conducted over longer periods and released later after being conducted. Specific state polls might not - the fieldwork for that Fox poll was conducted contemporaneously with the NBC/WSJ poll and will not lag it.

EDIT: should have read contemporaneously

 

[User 463088]

State polls don't always lag behind national ones. As a general group, they tend to lag because they tend to be conducted over longer periods and released later after being conducted. Specific state polls might not - the fieldwork for that Fox poll was conducted temporarily with the NBC/WSJ poll and will not lag it.

There were also some severe issues with those Fox News polls. From insane party ID breakdowns, to absolutely ridiculous Hispanic numbers in NV, to somehow not getting a decent not white sample in Ohio. (Not just my critiques, btw).

But, seriously, why hasn't that stupid USC thing updated? I've been up since 3 (not because of that) but I still want their stupid ass numbers so I can be pissy about them. I have a schedule to keep.

 

[aaaaa0]

And Jimmy's idea that the Democrats could indefinitely filibuster any of Trump's Supreme Court nominees means he doesn't even understand how filibusters work.

Even considering that, the longest filibuster in history was 24h18 long. So for the Democrats to obstruct for 2 years is ... lunacy.

 

[Y2Kev]

Trump's vote is efficiently distributed; Clinton is running up large margins in some states.

This actually seems to be against conventional wisdom of this cycle. Trump is underperforming Romney in red states and Clinton is underperforming Obama in some blue states (Wisconsin, Michigan, potentially Colorado and obviously Iowa and Ohio if we call those blue).

I think it's possible we just have different results for now!

 

[sazzy]

Anyone else see the clip of Johnson sticking his tongue out and talking on mcnbc?

 

[shinra-bansho]

Ahem, DR Wi-Fi. Thanks.