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what does this mean
A Human Becoming
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That seems to be prefaced entirely on expectations Republicans will do worse in midterms: I remain skeptical.
Dubbedinenglish
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Issa just may lose that race.
yeah but what does him winning do for the democrats overall?
aspiegamer
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Been 6 days? It simultaneously feels like yesterday + a combination of forever ago. Haven't turned on cable news for even a moment since the election was called! There's nothing good for me there, and I hope every media outlet that gave free time and false equivalence to Trump voices goes bankrupt. Especially CNN. Going to take me a long time to emotionally reconcile such a ridiculous candidate winning and controlling all branches of government despite a PV loss. This is way worse than 2000 in that regard! I thought W was a dumb but didn't think he was unfit to lead. His ideas were just different than mine, not outright insane. With the incredible differences between the candidates, knowing the majority will be laughed off is extremely depressing. Shrugging off majority opinion? I'm used to that from the GOP congress. This is a lot worse.
Regardless of our best efforts, this is all going to feel extremely normal extremely quickly.
Regardless of our best efforts, this is all going to feel extremely normal extremely quickly.
Elaugaufein
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Nothing except maybe a morale boost. He's in the House which you're not going to win without a super wave or fixing the gerrymandering.
They gain an extra house seat which helps to reduce the republicans majority in the house by one.
Issa must have been dancing on election day because he thought he would keep his seat, but it looks like he may not keep his seat at this point.
StopMakingSense
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And seriously, fuck Darrell Issa. Will be so proud of my hometown if they vote that fuckshit out.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I don't think we can say America is a country that values basic decency now. Just... jesus christ.
I don't think we can say America is a country that values basic decency now. Just... jesus christ.
This is a country founded on genocide and slavery, where polygamists and bad sci fi authors can make fake religions that fleece millions, robber barons are hailed as heroes, the glorious troops are sent around the world to torture and murder brown people, black citizens are regularly harassed and shot, women are degraded and raped, Muslims are considered subhuman, and 4chan exists.
When did it ever value basic decency?
CrimzonSamurai
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Man the ACLU's Facebook posts get me so pumped it's stupid.
this past election is going to give me ptsd for decades. nothing is a sure thing anymore
I don't think we can say America is a country that values basic decency now. Just... jesus christ.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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That picture will probably be in all books about ableism after Trump's presidency is over.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
pleaseeeeee
ItWasMeantToBe19
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It was all so good just two weeks ago.
eBay Huckster
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assuming we don't descend any further
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I'm sure we'll fall further, but this was just the moment that perfectly demonstrated the beginning of the new fall.
shinra-bansho
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You're welcome.
With regard to that picture. He may become President, but no one should for one moment forget the things he's said and done.
The President-elect of the United States:-
-mocked a disabled reporter
-kicked a disabled child out of his rally while his supporters jeered
-will be facing a civil fraud lawsuit
-has used his shell charitable foundation to pay off settlements for his own debts and to buy a portrait of himself
-does not have the requisite paperwork to even receive donations
-calls women pigs and dogs
-said a woman asking him tough questions was menstruating
-gave the Florida AG and GOP donations and special treatment as they considered his fraud case and she is now on his transition team
-has a former campaign manager charged with assault
-has a former campaign manager investigated for questionable money ties to Russia
-has a campaign chair who is a white nationalist bigot and will now be in the West Wing
-called a US born Judge biased due to his Mexican heritage
-accused a Gold Star father of following Sharia law and forcing his wife into silence
-bragged about being "right" after the Orlando shooting
-discriminated against blacks in renting housing
-called for a return of the death penalty to execute five black youths, later exonerated
-started a racist lie about President Obama, one of an endless stream of lies.
This is probably not an exhaustive list.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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I don't think we can say America is a country that values basic decency now. Just... jesus christ.
I have to say, that one of Hillary's fundamental mistakes was coming into this with the assumption that America's sense of compassion was strong enough to make this thing a wipe.
I mean, I did too. Who the fuck wants to think their own homeland could have an unhinged reality TV sociopath be a viable candidate? Like, shit, before this election I thought even with all the bigotry, America at the very least could not tolerate a politician openly disrespecting veterans or the disabled. That was what I considered two of the few bi-partisan berserk buttons that still existed.
It just goes to show that when you're up against a giant, you don't take anything for granted.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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The biggest takeaways from the election is that empathy is not something people have and liberalism is not something that people care about.
Which... I mean, I had a more negative view of people than anyone prior to the election and I still didn't think 47-48% of people would declare that they had almost no empathy.
Which... I mean, I had a more negative view of people than anyone prior to the election and I still didn't think 47-48% of people would declare that they had almost no empathy.
The biggest takeaways from the election is that empathy is not something people have and liberalism is not something that people care about.
Which... I mean, I had a more negative view of people than anyone prior to the election and I still didn't think 47-48% of people would declare that they had almost no empathy.
I don't think you should feel so dismal about the American people. Remember, Trump got less votes that Romney. The real issue is, in my opinion, public discourse. Its become so toxic and hate-filled that you supporting Trump is just as unfathomable as me supporting Clinton..... although I am not white, I was a member of the "lower classes" growing up and one thing I learned is that for my parents, the number one thing they considered when they were in that voting booth was "who will ensure that I am able to provide for my family". Keep in minds, they were not intellectuals or anything, just two immigrants from a nameless village in Pakistan- and I feel like this is the one thing people care about most, at a purely selfish level. Now, for my parents the answer was the Canadian Liberal party in that voting booth, but for many Americans it was clearly Trump.
I saw an anecdote of why a certain individual in the rust belt voted from Trump. Their answer was simple: because he talked to them. Hilary didn't even campaign in that state (Michigan I think?).
Point being, maybe I am just an hopeless optimist but I don't think people are as apathetic as you may believe, even though I completely understand why you think that way.
A huge problem for Bill and Obama was that they both came in during recessions, when getting massive spending bills passed is difficult. The next Pres has to keep that in mind- throwing everything at the wall out the gates is critical- have the legislation written and ready to send to Congress before you're in the WH.The biggest takeaways from the election is that empathy is not something people have and liberalism is not something that people care about.
Which... I mean, I had a more negative view of people than anyone prior to the election and I still didn't think 47-48% of people would declare that they had almost no empathy.
shinra-bansho
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He didn't get less votes than Romney depending on the state and votes are still being counted.
eBay Huckster
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he got more votes than romney in every battleground state except one (virginia)
from OT:
wrt wisconsin, north carolina, and maybe michigan: salvageable for a dem who's more inspiring, less polarizing, and less likely to spend most of a month fundraising in CA/NY instead of even so much as visiting small towns and cities
wrt florida: jesus fucking christ
from OT:
wrt wisconsin, north carolina, and maybe michigan: salvageable for a dem who's more inspiring, less polarizing, and less likely to spend most of a month fundraising in CA/NY instead of even so much as visiting small towns and cities
wrt florida: jesus fucking christ
ItWasMeantToBe19
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The hidden whites were literally all in Florida.
Which was kind of confusing since you think that considering how tightly contested Florida is that the hidden white people would have been found by canvassers or something.
Though I wouldn't want to knock on the door of people who had Confederate Flags and gun turrets outside their homes either if I was a Mitt Romney volunteer.
Which was kind of confusing since you think that considering how tightly contested Florida is that the hidden white people would have been found by canvassers or something.
Though I wouldn't want to knock on the door of people who had Confederate Flags and gun turrets outside their homes either if I was a Mitt Romney volunteer.
shinra-bansho
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No one wants to canvas the panhandle Florida men.
neurosisxeno
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Can you blame them? From what I hear it's a real shit hole...
shinra-bansho
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Liberal elitists.
FUCKING PLEASE
North SD County is my district. I've been praying to god Issa loses.
Knowing how fucking shit ass this year has been though I'm betting Issa wins by like 10 votes.
Feeling very down this morning, so this was a good post to read (in the sense of building hope and motivation). Thanks.
I think "fight" and "resist" both have more power than "Stand Up". It's... A bit wishy-washy liberal? As though standing-up for something does anything.
I would suggest "Fight". I think we should start co-opting right-wing messaging standards, which verge on the violent. And that's essentially what we are doing - fighting for voting rights, fighting for women's rights, fighting for LGBTQ rights.
I get that it could be misinterpreted to incite violence, but I think you need a strong word there to shock people. (Which is also why "resist" is good, but I think that falls closer to violence than fight does - "armed resistance", for example.
Day after the election, I sent Hillary a message through her campaign website (not sure if it got through). I essentially put that she fought a campaign based on love and strength-through-unity vs hate, and hate won. The more I think about it, the more I think that she was foolish to believe that American wouldn't - couldn't - vote for Trump.
Frozenprince
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I Don't think the shock over the fact that we elected am orange colored 65 year old man child who if you told me was Will Farrell's latest man child comedy character I'd believe you to be president of the free world.
We are so fucked.
We are so fucked.
I think Stronger Together was a great slogan to rebuke Trump. It's other problems with the campaign that led to this.
BreezyLimbo
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You know I've been thinking about it
And all these leaks from Trumps 'Aides'(IE him wanting to get clearance for his kids being the latest reports), surely they must be bullshit? Here we are believing things like everything is falling apart for his campaign and yet...
...Basically, given the people Trump surrounds himself with, is it possible that these aides are bullshitting to make the media look bad?
And all these leaks from Trumps 'Aides'(IE him wanting to get clearance for his kids being the latest reports), surely they must be bullshit? Here we are believing things like everything is falling apart for his campaign and yet...
...Basically, given the people Trump surrounds himself with, is it possible that these aides are bullshitting to make the media look bad?
shinra-bansho
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More people voted for Hillary. They all live in cities though. You have country now ruled by the will of white farmers. Full circle.
Or to set the bar extremely low, so when he doesn't come out and shit his pants, people are relieved.
Possibly.
DontBeThatGuy
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Yep, and states like Iowa and Ohio are looking bleak for Democrats. I'm skeptical about their "swing-state" status going forward. Florida too, considering how decisive a win that was.
You know, I won Iowa not because the demographics dictated that I would win Iowa. It was because I spent 87 days going to every small town and fair and fish fry and VFW hall, and there were some counties where I might have lost, but maybe I lost by 20 points instead of 50 points, Obama said. There are some counties maybe I won that people didnt expect because people had a chance to see you and listen to you and get a sense of who you stood for and who you were fighting"
I wonder whether Obama said the same thing to Hillary during the campaign, if he didn't he should have.
Now it's too late of course.
I wonder whether Obama said the same thing to Hillary during the campaign, if he didn't he should have.
Now it's too late of course.
I would hope he did... Though I think her campaign team bears more responsibility for this than she herself. I've read she's arrogant and only willing to listen to certain people, but if your campaign team isn't pushing every step of the way for going into the small towns they're failing everyone.
Though, of course, what Obama says is also good. 4 year's time, no Democrat candidate is going to ignore the small towns and rural areas. If we lose 2020, it won't be because Joe Bloggs in Iowa wasn't courted.
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