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[Blader]

We were assured they had a massive ground game. What the fuck happened?

In hindsight, the ground game they talked up was in Florida, NC and the Philly area. And it worked in FL, but Trump managed to get rural whites to surge to the polls too.

It really was selfish for Hillary to run in the first place. She knew she had just spent 2 years giving paid speeches to financial firms. Her email situation was discovered 3 months before she announced and she knew how bad it was even if no one else did yet.

She could never land a clean hit on Trump without emails, speeches, and foundation being thrown in her face.

Hillary didn't think her email situation was bad -- she went the private server route in the first place because she didn't think it was a big deal. You can say both the server, and dismissing its importance to the campaign early on, were judgment errors. But it's not as if she thought, "Here's something that will really sink my campaign...but let's just forget about it!" She genuinely didn't think it was an issue.

I hope his big supporter trolls are pleased.

What IS the alt-right's position on net neutrality? I can't imagine guys who live on the internet would want this.

We've just got make sure no one can obliterate everyone else in the invisible primary again, I have no idea how we do it but it must be done.

Invisible primaries aren't end-all, be-all. Bernie still managed to shore up a pretty impressive amount of support, all things considered. And Jeb won the GOP's invisible primary last year, which amounted to absolutely nothing.

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

I'd be pretty interested in how much of Hillary's win in the invisible primary is because of institutional suppression of candidates and how much was loyalty to Hillary.

 

[Ecotic]

Hillary knew she had a large enough jar of favors collected over 25 years to win the nomination easily enough.

The question she should have asked herself in January 2015 is "Am I a good candidate?" and "Is half the nation relying upon Democrats winning in 2016 and would they be totally fucked over if Democrats lost?"

 

[PBY]

Have to say - in hindsight, looks like the Ds were behind the times when it comes to certain tech. "They're" stories weren't tracking the way that fake news was, and the alt-right and certain far right groups had a fucking field day putting that stuff together and getting it to go viral.

Dems totally had no answer for this.

 

[Abinash117]

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-ethics-conflicts-231454

Discuss Trump's potential conflicts of interest. Trump is going to need to be really, really careful because the media, Democrats, and some Republicans is going to be salivating to find dirt on him.

 

[royalan]

I'd be pretty interested in how much of Hillary's win in the invisible primary is because of institutional suppression of candidates and how much was loyalty to Hillary.

It's probably a mix of things.

--Loyalty to Hillary. I mean, she's been working her ass off within the party for literally decades.

--Her name. Hillary Clinton is the biggest Democrat at the moment who's not named Obama.

I mean, people can talk all they want about invisible primaries and whatnot, but really... Who COULD have run against her? I have a hard time thinking of a Democrat Hillary wouldn't have bowled over. Biden? Maybe. But it wasn't Hillary that kept him out of the race.

 

[Chichikov]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...e-dak-prescott-has-look-of-an-all-time-great#

This is the abyss staring back.

I can almost see them passing legislation barring funds to CTE research.

 

[Blader]

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-ethics-conflicts-231454

Discuss Trump's potential conflicts of interest. Trump is going to need to be really, really careful because the media, Democrats, and some Republicans is going to be salivating to find dirt on him.

Maybe it's my enduring bad mood about this, but given that Trump was elected to the presidency despite dozens of scandals he has accrued over his lifetime, and given that Republicans have majority control over all of Congress, I can't see any dirt or scandal or conflict of interest doing anything to him. He'll never acquiesce to that kind of pressure and congressional Republicans will never dole it out in the first place.

 

[Abinash117]

What IS the alt-right's position on net neutrality? I can't imagine guys who live on the internet would want this .

I don't get why Alt-rights or similar types tend to support Republicans anyway in any capacity . They are many, many views that the GOP holds that are against the Alt-right. I guess they want to change the GOP.

Maybe it's my enduring bad mood about this, but given that Trump was elected to the presidency despite dozens of scandals he has accrued over his lifetime, and given that Republicans have majority control over all of Congress, I can't see any dirt or scandal or conflict of interest doing anything to him. He'll never acquiesce to that kind of pressure and congressional Republicans will never dole it out in the first place.

There was a reason for the bothsides-ism . There is no Hillary now.

 

[Doc Holliday]

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-ethics-conflicts-231454

Discuss Trump's potential conflicts of interest. Trump is going to need to be really, really careful because the media, Democrats, and some Republicans is going to be salivating to find dirt on him.

they don't have Hillary anymore to focus on, they all think there is a Pulitzer prize somewhere in Trump's past.

 

[BiggNife]

Who would even be an invisible primary candidate at this point? Hillary isnt going to run again.

I guess Booker maybe, but I don't see him getting far in an Ellison led DNC.

 

[Carpe Libertatem]

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-ethics-conflicts-231454

Discuss Trump's potential conflicts of interest. Trump is going to need to be really, really careful because the media, Democrats, and some Republicans is going to be salivating to find dirt on him.

This is why I think Trump won't even last 4 years. There is so much conflict of interest here. Not to mention things like his proposed tax cuts directly benefiting the Trump corporation. He's in for a fight with establishment/moderate Republicans and obviously Democrats don't like him.

Even if he does last 4 years, the amount of stuff that could be used against him will be immense. Yuuuuge, even.

 

[Debirudog]

I'm not a fan of Booker or anyone with potential baggage that the GOP uses. Not taking anything for chance anymore.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Who would even be an invisible primary candidate at this point? Hillary isnt going to run again.

I guess Booker maybe, but I don't see him getting far in an Ellison led DNC.

Gillibrand and Booker are the only invisible primary candidates who would have questionable results in the general.

 

[sc0la]

I can almost see them passing legislation barring funds to CTE research.

CTE is a hoax by China to make our sports less violent and thus our men more docile and effeminate, so we can't fight off the impending ground invasion.

 

[Blader]

There was a reason for the bothsides-ism . There is no Hillary now.

they don't have Hillary anymore to focus on, they all think there is a Pulitzer prize somewhere in Trump's past.

What I meant was, if (realistically, when) a Trump scandal emerges in the next couple years, I don't trust anyone in government to act on it for Trump to suffer for it in any way. His supporters won't care, and Republicans have control of all three branches of government so of course they're going to plug their ears and not do anything.

 

[Debirudog]

There's a lot of asterisks to this claim, considering the weirdness around a couple of states and caucuses messing up vote totals.

Wasn't Obama not included in the Florida ballot lmao.

 

[neurosisxeno]

Wasn't Obama not included in the Florida ballot lmao.

And he never stepped foot in michigan as far as I know.

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

It's probably a mix of things.

--Loyalty to Hillary. I mean, she's been working her ass off within the party for literally decades.

--Her name. Hillary Clinton is the biggest Democrat at the moment who's not named Obama.

I mean, people can talk all they want about invisible primaries and whatnot, but really... Who COULD have run against her? I have a hard time thinking of a Democrat Hillary wouldn't have bowled over. Biden? Maybe. But it wasn't Hillary that kept him out of the race.

2008 put her in the same position but there was a host of other strong candidates like Biden, Edwards, and Dodd and they all lost to a virtual nobody with little insitutional support. Bernie wasn't going to win after conceding the south but he still mustered huge primary support in spite of being a virtual unknown.

We don't know who might have done better because no one ran, but name recognition isn't insurmountable.

 

[VendettaRed07]

What are you even talking about?

The primary between Hillary and Bernie was really the most contentious in modern politics. He never had a chance, But Bernie effectively kept her from pivoting until June.

As for the other candidates, don't forget there were three others. Hillary didn't make them drop out early, they saw the writing on the wall running against a behemoth. That's not Hillary's fault.

It was more abnormal for the Republish primary to have 17+ candidates than it was for the Democrats to have 5.

It ended up that way but it wasn't designed to be contentious. I'm sure other Dems were out there that wanted to run but didn't out of respect for her. There were others but really no one with an actual chance of beating her or had any sort of connections that would have caused a split in support from the establishment threw their hat in. Think Warren wanted to but didn't want to take Hillary's thunder.

But nothing we can do about it now. can tell you we aren't going to have that same problem in 2020. Will be a clown car

 

[The Technomancer]

The problem is I don't want to just take down Trump. Pence has to come down with him

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

The problem is I don't want to just take down Trump. Pence has to come down with him

And Paul Ryan has to go down too

 

[VendettaRed07]

The problem is I don't want to just take down Trump. Pence has to come down with him

Pence without Trump as a cover is an easy take down. He was probably going to lose reelection in Indiana had he not been picked as VP

 

[sc0la]

And Paul Ryan has to go down too

There are several posters on PoliGAF who would salivate at the idea of Paul Ryan going down.


fake edit: no adam here to laugh at this
shit is depressing fam

 

[Chezzymann]

The problem is I don't want to just take down Trump. Pence has to come down with him

But then we could potentially have giuliani as president

 

[Carpe Libertatem]

The problem is I don't want to just take down Trump. Pence has to come down with him

If Trump is taken down, I don't see how the Republican Party gets out of it. Maybe the few members who have been consistently anti-Trump, but everyone else will still be attached to him IMO

 

[shinra-bansho]

And he never stepped foot in michigan as far as I know.

This is probably why he lost the nomination.

 

[DrForester]

And now NBC is cheering how a white supremacist might be wallstreets biggest enemy.

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/markets/steve-bannon-could-be-wall-street-s-worst-enemy-n684941


Our media is dead and Trump will not get called out on anything over the next four years.

 

[Brawndo Addict]

Lo and behold the media suddenly starts coming up with a bunch of stories about the harsh realities of a Trump presidency as soon as they can't talk about Clinton's "scandals and emails" ad nauseum.

 

[Doc Holliday]

But then we could potentially have giuliani as president

Ryan would be next in line no?

 

[Debirudog]

Lo and behold the media suddenly starts coming up with a bunch of stories about the harsh realities of a Trump presidency as soon as they can't talk about Clinton 'scandals and emails' ad nauseum.

Fucking idiots.

 

[Diablos]

I wonder how bad the internet is going to suck next year?

 

[B-Dubs]

And now NBC is cheering how a white supremacist might be wallstreets biggest enemy.

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/markets/steve-bannon-could-be-wall-street-s-worst-enemy-n684941


Our media is dead and Trump will not get called out on anything over the next four years.

Business news has always and will always be shit.

 

[whyamihere]

Lo and behold the media suddenly starts coming up with a bunch of stories about the harsh realities of a Trump presidency as soon as they can't talk about Clinton's "scandals and emails" ad nauseum.

Yup. Super frustrating.

 

[Abinash117]

And now NBC is cheering how a white supremacist might be wallstreets biggest enemy.

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/markets/steve-bannon-could-be-wall-street-s-worst-enemy-n684941


Our media is dead and Trump will not get called out on anything over the next four years.

What the fuck can he do? He is basically Grima, but he has to deal with Congress who will deregulate and Trump is gonna sign probably. Trump also might put in bankers in certain spots as well.

This just says the executive branch and Congress is going to fight each other and within themselves.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

The problem is I don't want to just take down Trump. Pence has to come down with him

Pence
Ryan
Trump

At this point Trump is a stooge. He doesn't seem like the type of person who actually has any idea what to do at the White House.

Pence and Ryan though..

 

[jtb]

The idea that Obama was a nobody with no institutional support in the 2008 campaign is revisionist history at this point. He was a huge star. The Illinois senate primary lasted like two years, where he destroyed a big field including a self-funded candidate who spent like $20m+, and then the DNC speech solidified his status. He was a great fundraiser, raised a lot of money for Dems in the 04 and 06 cycle.

Harry Reid wanted him to run. Tom Daschle wanted him to run. His pre-campaign book (Audacity of Hope) was a best-seller before he began his campaign. Everyone just pegged him as a 2012 or 2016 threat, not a 2008 one. Of course, he made the right decision in the end and struck when his stock was highest.

 

[JP_]

Steve Bannon Suggests There Are Too Many Asian CEOs In Silicon Valley



Nobody is safe from this motherfucker.

Bannon has been with Trump for months, why is this just now coming out? I had no idea he hosted a radio show -- I was under the impression he rarely spoke publicly. There's got to be more gold ivory in there.

 

[whyamihere]

Maybe no one really covered Bannon before because the elite (and data) consensus was that Trump could not win.

¯_(&#12484_/¯

 

[Debirudog]

Apparently Cesare said Obama was too soft against Clinton.

I feel like there's just no way of knowing who's going to be the next star for the presidency.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Bannon has been with Trump for months, why is this just now coming out? I had no idea he hosted a radio show -- I was under the impression he rarely spoke publicly. There's got to be more gold ivory in there.

Because EMAILS

 

[BreezyLimbo]

Apparently Cesare said Obama was too soft against Clinton.

I feel like there's just no way of knowing who's going to be the next star for the presidency.

I imagine everyone was too soft on Clinton.

 

[thepotatoman]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/197462/americans-satisfaction-makes-turn.aspx

Wonder how low we can go with things like this or Trump/Republican approval ratings.

I still can't believe how much power Trump and the Republicans have with such increadibly poor approval ratings.

 

[chadskin]

This will come back to haunt Trump eventually, right? Like Barron posting the nuclear codes on /r/The_Donald.

 

[Cesare Borgia]

Apparently Cesare said Obama was too soft against Clinton.

I feel like there's just no way of knowing who's going to be the next star for the presidency.

No, I said that in 2005/2006 when I started hearing about Obama being pressed to run in 08, I dismissed his chances because I thought he was too soft to take on the Clinton machine. I didn't believe he could win when I joined the campaign either.

Needless to say I was very wrong lol.

 

[VendettaRed07]

How much of a step up from all the other names we've heard is Henry McMaster for AG

 

[B-Dubs]

This will come back to haunt Trump eventually, right? Like Barron posting the nuclear codes on /r/The_Donald.

Well, it's something that makes sense for everyone but Trump. Like you'd expect someone to talk something over with their significant other if it's bothering them.

We're totally going to find out about his top secret plan to invade Iran on /r/The_Donald though.

 

[Diablos]

How much of a step up from all the other names we've heard is Henry McMaster for AG

Henry who?

 

[Debirudog]

No, I said that in 2005/2006 when I started hearing about Obama being pressed to run in 08, I dismissed his chances because I thought he was too soft to take on the Clinton machine. I didn't believe he could win when I joined the campaign either.

Needless to say I was very wrong lol.

Yeah, I knew what you said, it was bad wording on my part. Just feels like we'll never know who's the next star gonna be.

 

[B-Dubs]

Henry who?

The Lt. Governor of South Carolina. Also according to a local SC newspaper he may have been a slum lord at one point in his life.