Joe Shlabotnik
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They're not going to have 67 Senate seats.
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They're not going to have 67 Senate seats.
whyamihere
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I guess Beth Wood for Senate in 2020. What the fuck is Beth Wood doing right?
Also, over 10,000 votes means no automatic recount for McCrory. Sad!
Kay Hagan 2020
QuiteWhittle
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I think he's talking about a convention. 34 legislatures to call one, 38 legislatures to ratify an amendment. Republicans completely control 33 state legislatures. Some of the states under split control include Iowa, Kentucky, Maine, and MInnesota, states Trump did very well in.
I honestly want to know why I shouldn't worry about this.
Team Alucard
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GOP has full control of Iowa now.
Branstad is already talking about stripping collective bargaining rights from public workers. -_-
Cesare Borgia
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Trump doesn't have to save jobs or fulfill most/all his promises. Obama made a whole lot of promises during his election, many of which were not fulfilled by 2012. He won in part because he was able to sell the argument that the country was moving in the right direction (hence, "Forward"). If Trump can show that his unorthodox actions have the country on the right direction economically...he's going to have a good shot at winning. If things are a disaster then he'll have a harder time making that argument. Especially if people aren't better off in four years.
I think democrats also have to deal with the fact that his most fervent supporters aren't going anywhere. Unless Trump passes immigration reform he's going to keep his base. They believe he's on their side, and they believe everything he says (the media is out to get him, establishment republicans want to sabotage him, etc). Those people aren't going to look around in 2019 and say "damn Trump didn't keep his promises." Just as most democrat voters didn't do that with Obama in 2011.
2016 was largely a turnout election, and we lost. We don't know what 2020 will bring but it's always best to prepare for a turnout race. And democrats need to deal with the voter suppression barriers. We can't afford to sit around crying over them; I'm not saying anyone is doing that nor or did it during the 2016 campaign. It's the reality we have to deal with. One of the ways you deal with it is by nominating a good candidate who inspires people, and convinces them to deal with the fuckery (long lines, getting an ID, etc). The other way is a grassroots push to focus on getting people the shit they need in order to vote. Democrats did it this year in multiple states, especially Arizona...they can't afford not to do it in Michigan and Wisconsin in 2020.
I think democrats also have to deal with the fact that his most fervent supporters aren't going anywhere. Unless Trump passes immigration reform he's going to keep his base. They believe he's on their side, and they believe everything he says (the media is out to get him, establishment republicans want to sabotage him, etc). Those people aren't going to look around in 2019 and say "damn Trump didn't keep his promises." Just as most democrat voters didn't do that with Obama in 2011.
2016 was largely a turnout election, and we lost. We don't know what 2020 will bring but it's always best to prepare for a turnout race. And democrats need to deal with the voter suppression barriers. We can't afford to sit around crying over them; I'm not saying anyone is doing that nor or did it during the 2016 campaign. It's the reality we have to deal with. One of the ways you deal with it is by nominating a good candidate who inspires people, and convinces them to deal with the fuckery (long lines, getting an ID, etc). The other way is a grassroots push to focus on getting people the shit they need in order to vote. Democrats did it this year in multiple states, especially Arizona...they can't afford not to do it in Michigan and Wisconsin in 2020.
JetBlackPanda
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I am so sick of my co workers telling me daily how great everything is. Stock Market is up, carrier is staying etc etc. All thanks to Trump.
He isn't even president yet.
He isn't even president yet.
balladofwindfishes
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Obama fulfilled many of his promises. Enough that he showed clear evidence he was the right person for the job. He was getting the economy back on track, he passed a major healthcare law, unemployment was rebounding, and generally everything was looking better
However, Trump can only make it worse, since unemployment is almost at as low as it can go. There's no recession to clean up. There really isn't anything. Obama left Trump in probably the best shape he possibly could have. So Trump can only mess it up. And he will.
Him saving a thousand jobs while another thousand leave isn't really doing anything that the people who voted for him want. They want new jobs that are like their old jobs. New jobs without healthcare, pensions, time off, stuff like that isn't what they want. And old jobs that Trump keeps here doesn't help these people.
However, Trump can only make it worse, since unemployment is almost at as low as it can go. There's no recession to clean up. There really isn't anything. Obama left Trump in probably the best shape he possibly could have. So Trump can only mess it up. And he will.
Him saving a thousand jobs while another thousand leave isn't really doing anything that the people who voted for him want. They want new jobs that are like their old jobs. New jobs without healthcare, pensions, time off, stuff like that isn't what they want. And old jobs that Trump keeps here doesn't help these people.
What about crazy tax cuts spurring economic growth? Can we actually feel the effect of tax cuts within two years?
Edit: Note I do not believe in trickle down BS, I am just saying, can we feel effects of such a policy, positive or negative, within two years, and is it readily apparent that the effects are tied to tax cuts?
Be sure to remind them when it all inevitably falls down who's fault it is.
balladofwindfishes
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You don't sell yourself on "remember those things I did years ago that I said would help, just give me more time, and trust me they'll work. Just more time, please guys"
If no effects are felt, good or bad, until after 2020, Trump will have a hard time selling it as an accomplishment.
Exactly.
Trump can drive our economy into ground and get us into a war, and all he'll have to do is blame Black and Brown people and his base will stay put. Because it's not about his policies and it never was.
Democrats don't win by running against Trump's policies. They win by turning him into a cuck.
balladofwindfishes
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If Trump destroys the economy and puts us in a disaster of a war, 2020 would easily be a repeat of 2008. There would be no chance at all he'd have a prayer of winning.
2016 wasn't about his policies because he had no policies. No political history to point to. Just stuff he's said and some empty proposals. When he actually has a political record, it's an entirely different ball game.
2016 wasn't about his policies because he had no policies. No political history to point to. Just stuff he's said and some empty proposals. When he actually has a political record, it's an entirely different ball game.
The Technomancer
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I don't know if that's true anymore. I don't know if anything is true anymore
I'm not trying to overstate Trump's victory in and of itself as being a sign that "everything has changed", but his victory combined with everything we saw leading up to it and everything we've seen since has me very concerned that any sort of rational politics is ineffective
balladofwindfishes
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It's not rational politics.
It's "I'm going to make your lives better!!!" and then your life gets worse. That doesn't require rational thinking, just realizing life is awful. Not everyone voted for Trump due to racism and the people who did would have voted Republican anyway. Some legitimately believed Trump offered a way back to their old union manufacturing jobs. When those don't come back, and more move away and Trump appoints bankers to his cabinet and gives massive tax cuts to companies while your water is brown, your air is dirty, you lost your home and you have no healthcare. There are riots daily in major cities. A war is going on that nobody wanted. There's just no way a president, no matter how they originally got in, stays in office under those conditions.
Any proof?
balladofwindfishes
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Any proof of what? That a president loses badly when the economy is doing bad and people's lives are worse off? Jimmy Carter?
There's a pretty consistent pattern of Recessions screwing over whoever has the presidency at the time.
whyamihere
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Well.
Team Alucard
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IIRC FDR is the only president to actually survive a major recession.
And a third hat enters the ring. He just, y'know, has to actually win an election before 2020.
Is there a competitive House seat he could run for?
Team Alucard
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Is McCaskill actually liked in Missouri? I know she won twice but once was in 2006 and the other was against a garbo candidate who sank himself.
If not then she should step away and Kander should run for her seat in two years.
If not then she should step away and Kander should run for her seat in two years.
If this logic held true Republicans wouldn't have a base in 2016.
Never underestimate the power "It's Black/Brown people's fault!!!" has in this country.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et5-IEi7U8k&feature=youtu.be
Mood music for the Western world. About Brexit, but what you see is universal - could have been Calais, could have been Youngstown, as you see here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tHgO0WFCjw
It's not really an argument, but I think they're both worth watching because I think this political revolt isn't an argument. It's a feeling, of anomie and of loss. If you can put yourself in the emotional mindset of these communities, you're a lot closer to understanding.
Mood music for the Western world. About Brexit, but what you see is universal - could have been Calais, could have been Youngstown, as you see here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tHgO0WFCjw
It's not really an argument, but I think they're both worth watching because I think this political revolt isn't an argument. It's a feeling, of anomie and of loss. If you can put yourself in the emotional mindset of these communities, you're a lot closer to understanding.
Huh, I had Booker down for first Iowa trip.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Recognizing basic cause and effect might be more rational than we can expect
Dubbedinenglish
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Si, si...Es muy bueno
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Trump ran his entire campaign on the boogeyman of non-white people stealing white people's mojo and that's why there's no jobs and everything sucks. It was undocumented immigrants this time as the excuse of the moment.
There's a legitimate danger that if things still suck overall in 4 years, Trump can ply his ability and instincts as a bullshit salesmen and come up with a new "other" for people to hate and scream should be dragged out of the country.
There's a legitimate danger that if things still suck overall in 4 years, Trump can ply his ability and instincts as a bullshit salesmen and come up with a new "other" for people to hate and scream should be dragged out of the country.
Dubbedinenglish
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Wait he named his kid True......points deducted
It's not a new other. It's the same old other. It's not even complicated!
Why did Trump not succeed? Democratic obstruction. And why are the Democrats obstructing him? Because of their illegal voters, who are all people of color. So just take the vote away from people of color. Strip their citizenship, exile them from the country. Arrest the Democratic Party too since voter fraud is a crime and they're conspiring to do it.
Then we'll finally have a real democracy, right?
Why does he have to win an election?
I mean really, he's got military service which automatically puts him above Trump 16 already.
If Trump can get in with no political experience, maybe state level experience could be enough for Kander? If not I hope he at least finds something higher up soon since he seems like a pretty decent guy, and I want him to at least succeed politically in some form or another.
Joe Shlabotnik
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says who?
Veritigo_X
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Poligaf's Republican hero Lindsey Graham is working on legislation to protect DACA recipients (Dreamers) from having their citizenship revoked by the Trump administration.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/lindsey-graham-dreamers-bill-immigration-232017
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/lindsey-graham-dreamers-bill-immigration-232017
It's odd being on the same side as Lindsey Graham but I'll take it.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/conw...with-question-about-trump-and-sexual-assault/
Someone just needs to punch this woman in her taint.
In the era of big data, the analysis capabilities will take time to develop, and without those, people tend to fall back into confirmation bias because they have the data to prove anything they want to.
Or find charismatic nerds like Obama,
RastaMentality
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the first WH press conference after an ISIS-aided terrorist attack during president Trump might rank at 1st place for the scariest future moment of 2017.
The Lamonster
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I like her. My friends and family like her. But nowadays who the fuck knows? "Polls don't mean shit."
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
*Open Twitter*
"Trending:
Something Stupid
Something I don't understand
Sarah Palin"
Oh god no. No no no no no no. No.
"Trending:
Something Stupid
Something I don't understand
Sarah Palin"
Oh god no. No no no no no no. No.
StopMakingSense
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The depression was well underway by the time he was elected.
shinra-bansho
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Retraining isn't just the path to new industry jobs though.
The jobs that will remain even in a declining manufacturing sector will be those of higher skill that aren't routine.
And Pelosi has been consistently one of the more liberal members of congress anyway.
The jobs that will remain even in a declining manufacturing sector will be those of higher skill that aren't routine.
Y axis is Manu Emp over all nonfarm Emp.
And Pelosi has been consistently one of the more liberal members of congress anyway.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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Imagine if all the people who couldn't be assed to vote for the top of the ticket at least came for the local and state elections. It's nice to dream.
Two losses in a row would not be a good look.
the biggest thing the bernie supporters are doing right now is pushing for a black muslim for dnc chairman so you take your bernie bro stereotyping bullshit it and keep it to yourself
edit: the guy you tried to label as a bernie bro isn't even a bernie supporter. toe to tip, this is a shit post.
Trump never won an election. Clinton and Romney were nominees that had lost a primary as their most recent participation in an election.
Trump never lost an election either.
GOP nominees are typically the runner up from the past cycle, though there are exceptions when that person doesn't exist. You straight up can't lose two in a row locally and convince people you should be the nom for Pres.
Bernie supporters are blindly following marching orders because it's a cult of personality.
How did Kander lose two in a row locally?
Obama also lost a Congressional election but basically ran unopposed for his Senate seat because Jack Ryan withdrew after winning the primary.
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