A lot of them aren't going nearly far enough and are instituting policies just to make it look like they are doing something, like Reddit. Reddit needs to mass IP-ban a huge number of users, but they won't so they're taking what can be generously described as half-measures meant to look like they're fighting the problem. Reddit is doing the equivalent of what Trump's proposed lobbying reforms would do: all of jack shit and maybe make it all worse. You can honestly say the same about Twitter.
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A lot of them aren't going nearly far enough and are instituting policies just to make it look like they are doing something, like Reddit. Reddit needs to mass IP-ban a huge number of users, but they won't so they're taking what can be generously described as half-measures meant to look like they're fighting the problem. Reddit is doing the equivalent of what Trump's proposed lobbying reforms would do: all of jack shit and maybe make it all worse. You can honestly say the same about Twitter.
RustyNails
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Media taking a stand, even saying water is wet will seem biased to average idiot voter. That will affect viewership and media heads will not tolerate that and sadly that's the bottomline.
Which is why I've soured on the whole industry. News was better when it was just considered a service provided by the major broadcasters and not expected to bring in the coin.
At least the EU seems on top of it.
http://gizmodo.com/eu-to-facebook-and-twitter-crack-down-on-hate-speech-1789668384.
If they put enough pressure, they may even make it de-facto globally.
Frank the Great
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It's up to Democrats to fight against Trump's lies. They need to engage in a concerted, constant media offensive painting him as a liar. You know, the same kind of things Republicans did to Hillary. The media won't report on him being a liar, but they WILL report that Democrats call him a liar. Particularly if high profile Dems do it. Then, the national conversation is, "Is Trump a liar?". That's where we want to be.
The media won't suddenly change from bothsides-ism. Democrats need to learn how to use the media to their advantage. They need to start painting him as Conman-in-Chief on January 20, 2017, and keep pounding that message home.
The media won't suddenly change from bothsides-ism. Democrats need to learn how to use the media to their advantage. They need to start painting him as Conman-in-Chief on January 20, 2017, and keep pounding that message home.
Things are being done. It's much easier to pressure tech companies than change the minds of Trump supporters.
https://www.engadget.com/2016/12/02/facebook-exec-responsibility-to-fight-fake-news/
https://www.engadget.com/2016/12/05/eu-google-facebook-twitter-hate-speech/
That said, I keep social media use to a minimum, that doesn't help the people who do use them everyday though.
RustyNails
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That does nothing. That's politics as usual. "Dems call Trump liar" is no different than a gazillion republicans who believe Obama is a liar. People will see it as usual opposition from a loser party as Anderson Cooper will bring two sides and they both argue who lies. Thats really not where we want to be. B-dubs is right. If we remove the coin from the equation that will let media journalists to actually report the lies as baldfaced as they are.
But as the landscape is at the moment, I'm hoping honestly reporting the lies will pull in more viewers. Fahrenthold's honest to goodness reporting on Trump's charities brought in hundreds if not thousands of new WaPo subscribers.
The Twitter feed of Michael Flynn's son is a sight to behold: https://twitter.com/mflynnJR
Holy hell.
Holy hell.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
Retromelon
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Mika Brzezinski on Elizabeth Warren: 'Tired of this Act,' 'Shrill, Almost Unhinged'
In which Mika is angry that Elizabeth Warren gives a fiery speech opposing a billionaire laden incoming administration. She notes that democrats are hypocritical for saying republicans fought Obama from day 1 and refuse to express bipartisan sentiment towards Trump now
Get sandbagged for 8 years but now we're in power work with us, jeez stop being babies liberals
In which Mika is angry that Elizabeth Warren gives a fiery speech opposing a billionaire laden incoming administration. She notes that democrats are hypocritical for saying republicans fought Obama from day 1 and refuse to express bipartisan sentiment towards Trump now
Get sandbagged for 8 years but now we're in power work with us, jeez stop being babies liberals
Someone please monitor her bank accounts.
StopMakingSense
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He's out after 2018, term limits.
Of the declared Ds running, I would imagine Newsom gets it (Villaraigosa BARF, Chiang is kinda boring)
I wouldn't mind that...
I told my husband they would go this route with Warren when he was talking her up but he didn't believe me. I didn't think they would go in this soon though.
They're going to try and take down anyone who looks to be emerging as a leader of the resistance. They don't want the Democrats' electoral base to unify, especially not this early.
Newsom will win whether you like it or not.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
The people in charge of the RNC know how to play politics. Democrats have to learn or get used to not being in power.
I've never actually watched Morning Joe, but from hearing about the show here that they are clearly capitulating to Trump in order to gain access.
Meanwhile on CNN's New Day, Cuomo is taking Darell Issa to task.
https://twitter.com/ChrisCuomo/status/805859847166132224
Meanwhile on CNN's New Day, Cuomo is taking Darell Issa to task.
https://twitter.com/ChrisCuomo/status/805859847166132224
Pretty much. There are no big targets left to hide behind and anyone who looks to be growing strong will be attacks viciously.
balladofwindfishes
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On the flip side, attacks on the minority party aren't really that effective. You can't really blame the losers for when the winners mess up.
The democrats haven't been in power ever since the gridlock began. Maybe they'll notice it now.
aspaceman55
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So hey guys. I'm a young kid getting ready to go into phd programs next year (science), but this election has terrified me and encouraged me to become more involved in politics. What can I do to help?
What can any of us do?
What can any of us do?
soul creator
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Yeah I mostly agree that the only small silver lining in all this is that, similar to 2004-2006, Republicans effectively have to own everything now, and it's much tougher to blame Democrats for shit going bad (as it mostly like will, without any larger grassroots force pushing back).
Go to your local party office and volunteer. Go to a charity you like and volunteer. Volunteer for a candidate you like, no matter how unimportant the office is. Just go out there and volunteer for the stuff you care about.
Sirpopopop
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Zuckerberg has displayed time and time again, that he doesn't know what he's doing in the political sphere.
Dominican Power
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Fuck Mika.
soul creator
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shinra-bansho
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Eww.
Also, "shrill" "unhinged" Elizabeth Warren, surely wouldn't face any gender bias in her now assured 2020 run.
#Calexit, finally gets to be a President.
Also, "shrill" "unhinged" Elizabeth Warren, surely wouldn't face any gender bias in her now assured 2020 run.
RustyNails
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Say fuck it all and run for your local school board. Your PhD will give you the necessary impetus for your run. Then become a councilman or a state legislator and move up the ladder.
Do you want to validate every single thing anyone who's ever used the word "neoliberal" as a buzzword thinks about the Democratic Party? Then pick Rahm Emanuel!
Slurpy2k20
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Looks like Flynn's son is just as massive a piece of shit as his dad.
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...-hoax-hours-after-gunman-acts-on-those-claims
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...-hoax-hours-after-gunman-acts-on-those-claims
Good Job Bob
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This article isn't about the DNC leadership but somewhat along that note here's an article arguing Warren be given a formal role in leading Dem opposition to Trump: https://newrepublic.com/article/139107/democrats-need-pick-leader-now
Randolph Freelander
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Embassy of Azerbaijan to co-host Hanukkah party at Trump's Washington hotel
http://www.politico.com/blogs/donal...an-to-co-host-event-at-trumps-dc-hotel-232214
But no conflicts here.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/donal...an-to-co-host-event-at-trumps-dc-hotel-232214
But no conflicts here.
shinra-bansho
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I think Warren does have a leadership role in the caucus.
Also, Breitbart stories coming up in the "top news" Google results. Not sure if I just never noticed this before.
Also, Breitbart stories coming up in the "top news" Google results. Not sure if I just never noticed this before.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/05/recount-unrecountable/95007392/
Michigan's recount might be over before it starts. Wayne County (Detroit, aka Hillary stronghold) basically can't match up 59% of the county's votes. So a recount will potentially throw out 36% of the state's votes, most of which are for Clinton.
This means that they'll just have to use their election day results, making a recount pointless, to avoid further embarrassment.
Michigan's recount might be over before it starts. Wayne County (Detroit, aka Hillary stronghold) basically can't match up 59% of the county's votes. So a recount will potentially throw out 36% of the state's votes, most of which are for Clinton.
This means that they'll just have to use their election day results, making a recount pointless, to avoid further embarrassment.
Man are you for real? Makes it sound like these fucking machines are running on hopes and dreams.
whyamihere
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Interview with Hietkamp on CNBC. Their guys are huge Republicans, but I thought it was interesting perspective from someone who is in an impossible position come 2018, because she's not getting a place in the Trump administration:
https://twitter.com/SenatorHeitkamp/status/805887803104133120
As far as NewBayhs go, Heitkamp has certainly been one of the most frustrating members of our caucus, though her answer on why she's a Democrats was good (I don't understand what his counterpoint was???).
I do wonder how much the DAPL protests contributed to the dramatic swing in North Dakota towards Republicans (even more so than you'd expect). I think she's right, definitely now, the pipleline will be built. But the right's inability to understand any environmental concerns is needlessly frustrating. The dance she's doing is the right one for her state and the position she's in, I just don't know if it'll matter come 2018.
Wow, so much fraud.
https://twitter.com/SenatorHeitkamp/status/805887803104133120
As far as NewBayhs go, Heitkamp has certainly been one of the most frustrating members of our caucus, though her answer on why she's a Democrats was good (I don't understand what his counterpoint was???).
I do wonder how much the DAPL protests contributed to the dramatic swing in North Dakota towards Republicans (even more so than you'd expect). I think she's right, definitely now, the pipleline will be built. But the right's inability to understand any environmental concerns is needlessly frustrating. The dance she's doing is the right one for her state and the position she's in, I just don't know if it'll matter come 2018.
Wow, so much fraud.
IamDodongo
Member
Is this not grounds for a total audit?
Can't watch clip can you summarize?
So here in CA and I attended a town hall my congressman held over the weekend. Saw maga hats and well Trump supporters for the first time in public. The vast majority of them were exactly what I expected and one nearly got into a confrontation with someone else because he kept yelling and would not shut up anytime my congressman spoke. Besides that was surprised to see 3 minority supporters and they were also the ones vocally yelling their displeasure.
Aside from that the rest of the crowd were Dems and we all clapped when he rep mentioned Obama, black lives matter, and a whole host of other rational sane things. Of course it was disheartening to hear how he was on the house science committee and of the 7 GOP members he spoke to about climate change, all 7 denied it. I was really glad to hear he was going to fight for all the right things yet in the back of my head it all just felt like lip service since he's hilariously outnumbered by Republicans
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Aside from that the rest of the crowd were Dems and we all clapped when he rep mentioned Obama, black lives matter, and a whole host of other rational sane things. Of course it was disheartening to hear how he was on the house science committee and of the 7 GOP members he spoke to about climate change, all 7 denied it. I was really glad to hear he was going to fight for all the right things yet in the back of my head it all just felt like lip service since he's hilariously outnumbered by Republicans
.shinra-bansho
Member
Wilbur Ross, Betsy DeVos and Steve Mnuchin are "outsiders." Way to enable.
Well that's problematic.
whyamihere
Banned
Basically that the Trump administration has already indicated it will approve the easement, so the DAPL will be built regardless of opinion on the project (this is her only answer when they ask her if she supports the pipeline). I assume this is actually correct. But that Native issues must be addressed earlier going forward.
They also ask her about the "radical" nature of some of the environmental activist there, to which she says that there are "some" people there who are "keep it in the ground" types, and that could have turned away voters in places like North Dakota and other coal-country types from the Democratic party. This isn't that different from positions she's always held.
Then they ask her why she's a Democrat (which is a ridiculous question) and she gives a pretty lengthy question about the positions that Democrats hold that are better for working and middle class families. Then they kind of stumble over themselves and say that Republicans care about working people too and she kind of smiles and laughs and then the interview ends.
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aspaceman55
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I just signed up my email to volunteer at my local democrats, and the aclu. Thanks for the advice folks!
PantherLotus
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-- reminder that Mika was born into elitist circles and continues to live there;
-- reminder that Betsy DeVos never attended a public school of any sort, and may not have ever stepped inside one in her life;
-- Warren should absolutely be the voice of the Dems right now. Jeet Heer had a good article today about exactly that in The New Republic today.
-- Al Gore meeting with Trump is interesting;
-- the Ivanka deal with some Japanese fashion thing / something / something while on the phone with the JP PM is interesting;
-- FBI investigating Trump for asking Russia to hack Hillary, which is lolol thanks VICE;
-- reminder that Betsy DeVos never attended a public school of any sort, and may not have ever stepped inside one in her life;
-- Warren should absolutely be the voice of the Dems right now. Jeet Heer had a good article today about exactly that in The New Republic today.
-- Al Gore meeting with Trump is interesting;
-- the Ivanka deal with some Japanese fashion thing / something / something while on the phone with the JP PM is interesting;
-- FBI investigating Trump for asking Russia to hack Hillary, which is lolol thanks VICE;
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