balladofwindfishes
Member
lol, that means in the event of a tie, the House could appoint him as president
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
PoliGAF 2016 |OT16| Unpresidented
- Thread starter ItWasMeantToBe19
- Start date
- Status
lol, that means in the event of a tie, the House could appoint him as president
Maine's gonna be 2-1-1, which...is pretty interesting, I suppose.
AFAIK, it's just the one guy in Texas who won't vote for him, and that's because the Texas GOP didn't do their job (like they didn't do in 2012). So the state GOP Chair's gone if they don't find a way to toss him.
Ohio's Ballot, for anyone curious:
https://twitter.com/JonHusted/status/810835549141483520
balladofwindfishes
Member
The electoral college was a mistake. After 2000 everyone said it's rare that such an event would occur again. But here we are. It needs to be abolished... she's going to win the popular vote by at least 3 million fucking votes...
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Just saw the Berger stuff happening. Fuck these people, every last one of them.
http://www.pressherald.com/2016/12/...tor-says-he-will-cast-his-ballot-for-sanders/
Participation Trophy Sanders
I expect like...8 to 10 Bernie votes, honestly.
EDIT: Congress will change it back to 306-232 on the 6th of January, anyway. So don't worry about it too much.
Participation Trophy Sanders
I expect like...8 to 10 Bernie votes, honestly.
EDIT: Congress will change it back to 306-232 on the 6th of January, anyway. So don't worry about it too much.
Beer Monkey
Member
Of course the Dems will have the most faithless Electors. Sigh.
I literally think the Hamilton Elector plan was 'since Clinton can't win, force the Republicans to choose someone else.'
EDIT: 0 Faithless Electors in West Virginia and Indiana
You're right. There's not even a point in Democratic electors going faithless at this point. All it can do is minimize Clinton's showing.
Entering the day, it was:
- 37 faithless to deny Trump 270
- 38 flipping to get Hillary to 270
Now Hillary would need 39 flipping to get to 270
0 Faithless in Mississippi, Tennessee and New Hampshire
EDIT: The schedule, if anyone cares
https://www.docdroid.net/sbwn9Bz/scheduleofelectors.pdf.html
Trump is already starting shit with China and he isn't even in office. And I like how you use the civil war as the bar. As Ezra Klein and Ta-Nehisi Coates discussed, it's easy to look back at it and say we bounced back, but that's on a nation timescale -- experiencing it on a human timescale is quite different. It's dangerous to soften that suffering.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Everyone knows Obama crashed the economy in 2008 before taking office
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
And gas went up under obama too!
You have the worst logic.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Yeah, what's that got to do with anything?
balladofwindfishes
Member
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
balladofwindfishes
Member
There's no way Trump doesn't hit 270
Yeah, but all of that only affects poor people. Rich peoe are going to be just fine.
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
Those poor people won't have to worry. They will soon be rich under the republican leadership!
Where are people getting the live updates for the EC votes? Just on Twitter, or what?
ImpracticalPassword
Member
Didn't you know that she had to earn those Bernie votes? /s
This is going to be a depressing day.
Schedule: https://www.docdroid.net/sbwn9Bz/scheduleofelectors.pdf.html
Some are being livestreamed on state election sites.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
Member
That is some fucking petty shit and overall indicative of how incredibly dumb the democratic party is. I'm not looking forward to the 2020 primaries if it ends up being a proxy war to settle the Neverending Primary of 2016.
Well, after today, the narrative will be 'Congress has to overturn the Electoral College results!' followed by 'John Roberts should not swear Trump in!'
This shit will just keep going.
Hey, I'm cross-posting a post I just made in OT about my experience at a party this weekend that I thought PoliGAF might appreciate.
There was a guy who I'm 98% sure voted for Trump. He's a GM at a restaurant. I just graduated with an economics degree, somehow politics was brought up, and I jumped in. Within 45 minutes I had the guy rethinking his entire economic worldview, supporting a higher minimum wage, more progressive taxation, and a stronger social safety net. I also convinced him that fossil fuels were dying, regardless of how much you care about the environment, and that renewables were the future. I managed to illicit that "oh...shit...I fucked up.." face from him a few times when discussing Trump's cabinet and how he's just a con-man kleptocrat only seeking personal enrichment. It was a great discussion, he was bringing up valid, logical points, and I was addressing them. He was open to being challenged on beliefs that he acknowledged he wasn't any sort of expert on, and I could tell he was genuinely reconsidering a lot of his previously held beliefs.
And then later on, he made a really racist joke dropping the n bomb. I gave him a fucking death stare and thought about tearing into him. I didn't want to ruin the mood of the whole party so I walked away, but the look myself and a couple other people gave him made it pretty clear that's not ok. He gave the pathetic "I swear I'm not racist, it's just a stupid joke," platitude and things moved on for a bit. A little after that though, he made another ignorant fucking racist remark that I couldn't let slide again, so I broke into a rant calling out his shit (and I legitimately remained as calm as possible). He tried to argue back with some more bullshit, and I ended up having to explain basic fucking biology and human evolution to dispel his phrenologist garbage.
He did kinda shut up and listen to my rant by the end (maybe because the guy hosting the party jumped in on my side), but I doubt it made an impact, as he seemed pissy the rest of the night and left shortly after that. Afterwards though, I did realize that this was a damn perfect encapsulation of the debate we've been seeing on GAF and elsewhere, about if it's worth reaching out to the "economic anxieties" of some Trump voters, or if the racism is just too much to overcome.
There was a guy who I'm 98% sure voted for Trump. He's a GM at a restaurant. I just graduated with an economics degree, somehow politics was brought up, and I jumped in. Within 45 minutes I had the guy rethinking his entire economic worldview, supporting a higher minimum wage, more progressive taxation, and a stronger social safety net. I also convinced him that fossil fuels were dying, regardless of how much you care about the environment, and that renewables were the future. I managed to illicit that "oh...shit...I fucked up.." face from him a few times when discussing Trump's cabinet and how he's just a con-man kleptocrat only seeking personal enrichment. It was a great discussion, he was bringing up valid, logical points, and I was addressing them. He was open to being challenged on beliefs that he acknowledged he wasn't any sort of expert on, and I could tell he was genuinely reconsidering a lot of his previously held beliefs.
And then later on, he made a really racist joke dropping the n bomb. I gave him a fucking death stare and thought about tearing into him. I didn't want to ruin the mood of the whole party so I walked away, but the look myself and a couple other people gave him made it pretty clear that's not ok. He gave the pathetic "I swear I'm not racist, it's just a stupid joke," platitude and things moved on for a bit. A little after that though, he made another ignorant fucking racist remark that I couldn't let slide again, so I broke into a rant calling out his shit (and I legitimately remained as calm as possible). He tried to argue back with some more bullshit, and I ended up having to explain basic fucking biology and human evolution to dispel his phrenologist garbage.
He did kinda shut up and listen to my rant by the end (maybe because the guy hosting the party jumped in on my side), but I doubt it made an impact, as he seemed pissy the rest of the night and left shortly after that. Afterwards though, I did realize that this was a damn perfect encapsulation of the debate we've been seeing on GAF and elsewhere, about if it's worth reaching out to the "economic anxieties" of some Trump voters, or if the racism is just too much to overcome.
Retromelon
Member
new topic on gaming side today - "Digital Foundry: Nintendo Switch CPU and GPU clock speeds revealed"
I came
oh boy this is a lot worse than I thought jfc
I came
oh boy this is a lot worse than I thought jfc
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
The Russian Ambassador to Turkey was just shot, possibly assassinated. Maybe something to watch today because WWIII.
The swamp just got richer. Another billionair nominated to the cabinent as Secretary of the Army. Some Hockey team owner who made his money as an investor.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-nominates-vincent-viola-army-secretary
The American people paying millions to keep billionaires employed.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-nominates-vincent-viola-army-secretary
The American people paying millions to keep billionaires employed.
balladofwindfishes
Member
If Trump screws everything up and the country falls apart, no amount of Democrat nonsense will help him.
I can't imagine this is going to end well.
Hey, I'm from South Bend! (actually the county adjacent to it, so I didn't get to vote for this guy, but I do work and used to go to school in the city)
I sold this guy a pair of shoes a while back.
I mean, we still haven't fully recovered from the massive damage caused by those last 3. Nixon irreparably fucked up healthcare, Reagan ruined the middle class, and we're still dealing with W's stupid wars and recession. Not sure what your point here was.
I don't know if it's possible to talk to racists without them doubling down instead. I know ranting at sexists is apparently a failure, because they dig in rather than empathize.
This part:
I don't know what to say.
Can we not end 2016 like this
balladofwindfishes
Member
I never said recovery was instant upon a Democrat getting back in office.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
Member
I don't think it'll be democrat screwing themselves over so much as attack and war will create leverage for people to fall for the demagogue siren song again. Basically a repeat of '04.
2016 is the worst year ever
This is the absolute opposite of what we should be doing. "Making peace" with 8 years of a racist ignorant dumb-ass who raped his first wife and doubled-down on fat-shaming a woman on Twitter? Nope. It's fine if you think fighting it won't do anything, but fight it anyway - the Dems need to push-back against this neo-Nazi piece of shit administration, and people can help by publicly supporting them, and pushing grass-roots activism on the local level. Anyone who has any morals or empathy with their fellow man needs to rally behind the Dems, and push to correct this horror.
(No offense meant, btw.
It's an understandable viewpoint to have, but it's also one that must not be given in to.)cartoon_soldier
Member
Republicans fall in line. No matter how much they bicker and fight.
Democrats behave like little children after they bicker and fight.
It's not impossible, but it's incredibly difficult and incredibly rare. There has been one time in my life where I actually reached a person. He was my dorm mate sophomore year of college, and he came from a super religious/conservative Missouri family. So he had all these beliefs, but was one of those Christians that actually, you know, tries to follow the good stuff and is clearly a moral, empathetic, and open person who's been indoctrinated with the right-wing stuff. It didn't happen overnight, but I would talk with him about stuff in the news every now and then, and he was always open/never doubled down, and by the end of the semester was a straight ticket D liberal voter. I feel like that was one of those cases where he had just legitimately never encountered an articulated, coherent alternative to the worldview he was raised with.
But yeah, literally every other time I try, I feel like I'll make some progress until race comes up and the discussion completely breaks down. I still try whenever I get the chance, but damn does it feel useless sometimes. I definitely can't blame any minority for not being willing to put up with it, considering how frustrating and annoying it is for me as a white male to try to reach these people.
- Status