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Things Democrats said to Republicans about PA this year.
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Things Democrats said to Republicans about PA this year.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
They aren't irredeemable. Still, population transition and brain drain should worry democrats. Michigan is super red in their rural areas and the cities are losing people.
It's likely PA turns blue again in 4 to 8 years especially since some of the red counties around Philly County are becoming more blue
Aaron Strife
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Frankly if we win the next election we very likely get WI/MI/PA back. I'll hold off a final verdict until the midterms though.
Best I could see without getting too crazy is Hillary's map plus those three and FL/NC/AZ. That puts the Democrat at 333. Maybe the second Maine and Nebraska districts as well.
Ohio and Iowa for the next couple of cycles will be what Missouri and Indiana were until recently - states that could conceivably go Democratic in a wave, but otherwise pretty red. I'm willing to write off a 1-point GOP win as a fluke in those other states, 10-point GOP win suggests something's up. Obama's popularity masked those states' right-wing shift.
Texas and Georgia will keep on... Texas and Georgia-ing. Maybe someday.
whyamihere
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Being super red in its rural areas is not a Michigan specific phenomena, though. The loss of population in the Detroit metro is more important to watch.
But neither of the three are Loooost Foreverrrrrr.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Let's see how things are going in Turkey, I'm sure that it can't be getting worse or any--
Okay, it's still getting worse.
https://twitter.com/MahirZeynalov/status/812782152190427136
Okay, it's still getting worse.
https://twitter.com/MahirZeynalov/status/812782152190427136
Hillary Clinton
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Is this what the Democrats said about Texas and South Carolina?
Unless someone can fix Detroit that won't stop and that's no small undertaking, even if you have a competent government (which they currently do not).
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Gerry is having a rough Christmas.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Pakistan's defense minister threatened to nuke Israel after the minister read a fake news story written by some rando Russian troll that doesn't even understand grammar.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/24/w...er=rss&emc=rss&smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0
I'm glad that Donald Trump and Michael Flynn are now in command of nuclear weapons so misunderstandings like this couldn't happen in America.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/24/w...er=rss&emc=rss&smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0
I'm glad that Donald Trump and Michael Flynn are now in command of nuclear weapons so misunderstandings like this couldn't happen in America.
Propaganda 2.0: Bigger, Bolder, and Less Attribution Than Ever!
ItWasMeantToBe19
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The bullshit story is so badly written that I can't call it propaganda though. Propaganda has higher standards than this.
Does it though? When even poorly-written gets a reaction...
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I'm just sad for a world in which world class propagandists can have their jobs taken by a rando 14 year old who doesn't even know the language they're writing in. More job loss from globalization, smh.
On the other hand, if we can outsource the jobs of dear leaders the world over to impressionable 14 year olds with equally bad hair...
ItWasMeantToBe19
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If the Seahawks win the Super Bowl, how long does Pete Carroll talk to Trump about what "really happened" on 9/11? Over/under two hours?
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I meant that they are growing further red, and it is spreading into the cities.
Obviously rural areas in most states are super red.
Ziltoidia 9
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Is there still a population leaving michigan? Possible that it could go back to Blue territory.
The Chosen One
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When Trump said he wanted to restart the arms race, I'm not sure why everyone assumed he was attacking Russia. In all his comments, he never mentioned Russia directly. I think it was aimed at small rogue states like North Korea.
The fact that within 24 hours he released the love letter he received from Putin and quoted Putin on twitter attacking Clinton/Democrats, in my opinion shows he wanted to make sure he still appeared a strong ally of Russia after media reports starting out that he was attacking Russia with his nuke comments.
Someday someone is going to write an amazing book about what's actually happening behind the scenes right now.
The fact that within 24 hours he released the love letter he received from Putin and quoted Putin on twitter attacking Clinton/Democrats, in my opinion shows he wanted to make sure he still appeared a strong ally of Russia after media reports starting out that he was attacking Russia with his nuke comments.
Someday someone is going to write an amazing book about what's actually happening behind the scenes right now.
Vincent Alexander
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This is probably dumb, but I need clear-minded people to tell me to drop it. I'm starting an argument with a police officer on Amazon over a question I answered for that Bulletproof: Black Lives Matter" shirt. We've only gone back-and-forth once, but if he is as stubborn as I am, we'll continue this into next year.
Ether_Snake
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Flynn is like that general in Dr Strangelove. Precious bodily fluids and all.
TestOfTide
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From my experience working on the campaign in NH, I would say that it's unlikely NH will go for Trump in 4 years for a few reasons:
1) The new NH Governor is going to piss off some rural voters when he gives the go ahead for Northern Pass
2) Those up around Berlin who went to Trump due to lost paper mill jobs are not going to be happy when Trump fails to bring back those jobs
3) One of the things NH is known for is its fairly decent education. It's one of the reasons Bernie did so well in NH (lots of teachers that loved his focus on education) and one of this issues that Democrats were able to use to beat Kelly Ayotte in spite the Red Wave of 2016. GOP will inevitably fuck up with education and it will piss off those in NH.
RustyNails
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Maine and Michigan are at risk for going complete red. No one has been able to fix Detroit. Obama saved a few thousand union jobs in Dearborn area. But everyone is fleeing Michigan because it's a shitty place with no work, especially the young people. Maine is Maine. You either in the Lobster business or you aint. Hillary wont Maine by less than 3%. Places with little to no population growth and population decline are going to be hard-fought battles for democrats. It's high time we started allocating resources in new battlegrounds: AZ, GA. Continue focusing on NC and FL. If we capture NC and FL as lean blue in the future and show a strong showing in AZ and GA, we can say fuck off to Rust Belt. And Maine.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Maine and Michigan are at risk for going complete red. No one has been able to fix Detroit. Obama saved a few thousand union jobs in Dearborn area. But everyone is fleeing Michigan because it's a shitty place with no work, especially the young people. Maine is Maine. You either in the Lobster business or you aint. Hillary wont Maine by less than 3%. Places with little to no population growth and population decline are going to be hard-fought battles for democrats. It's high time we started allocating resources in new battlegrounds: AZ, GA. Continue focusing on NC and FL. If we capture NC and FL as lean blue in the future and show a strong showing in AZ and GA, we can say fuck off to Rust Belt. And Maine.
Yep. Been preaching this for over a year now. GOP control of government has destroyed Michigan. Beautiful in places, but not worth living in. Job market isn't great. Highest insurance rates in the country. You pay exorbitant amounts to heat your home or get electricity. Smart people are leaving the moment they get a chance.
balladofwindfishes
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Remember when we were saying population shifts made it impossible for the GOP to win for decades
That was fun
That was fun
The WH is probably the biggest wildcard. Really depends on what the hell Trump actually ends up doing for the next four years. I could easily see him pissing off his base royally once its clear that he wont make due on his promises; or he could fuck up so colossally that he gets impeached, leaving a split between the diehard Trumpeteers and the rest of the Republicans. I suppose one of the biggest questions this election is whether those rural voters that turned out in droves for Trump this election are reliable, or just came along for Trump's wild ride.
Agreed with RustyNails' assessment. I think the population shifts could work out well enough - it's not like WI, PA, and MI are totally unrecoverable, but I think Dems really need to try to make strides in GA & AZ to make up for inevitable losses going down the road. Not sure if Maine is really gonna be permanently lost in the near future or if that hard shift is just part of a temporary Trump wave. FL and NC... Ugh.
3 scenarios, only one of which Trump wins.
1) No economic contractions before 2020, filibuster survives all four years, GOP gets very little done at the federal beyond symbolic victories, some tax cuts and light deregulation, and undermining the government-funded parts of Obamacare further. This scenario repeats 2016 electorally. The bounceback in gas prices helps spin the idea that carbon energy=jobs and solidifies their grip on the shale-rich rust belt.
2) Good economic conditions, but the filibuster is dropped. Voters who lost their healthcare (elderly, veterans, poor, and others) rebuke the GOP nationally in 2020, but especially the President.
3) Significant economic downturn which shatters Trump's image.
I don't see a scenario where the GOP gets what they want, policy-wise, *and* win in 2020.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
That was just listed as a reason why people are leaving.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Merry Christmas, it might be the first sex scandal of the Trump administration! Jason Miller was announced for communications director two days ago and then stepped down today possibly because:
https://twitter.com/yashar/status/812801720426315776
Delgado may just be referring to Miller's wife expecting, but Delgado also deleted her account just now so!
https://twitter.com/yashar/status/812801720426315776
Delgado may just be referring to Miller's wife expecting, but Delgado also deleted her account just now so!
Carpe Libertatem
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Maine and Michigan are at risk for going complete red. No one has been able to fix Detroit. Obama saved a few thousand union jobs in Dearborn area. But everyone is fleeing Michigan because it's a shitty place with no work, especially the young people. Maine is Maine. You either in the Lobster business or you aint. Hillary wont Maine by less than 3%. Places with little to no population growth and population decline are going to be hard-fought battles for democrats. It's high time we started allocating resources in new battlegrounds: AZ, GA. Continue focusing on NC and FL. If we capture NC and FL as lean blue in the future and show a strong showing in AZ and GA, we can say fuck off to Rust Belt. And Maine.
At the same time, population decline in Maine and Michigan will lead to less electoral votes for them.
BreezyLimbo
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would it be illegal if dems somehow managed to fund a 'move to red swing state' movement in California as long as they vote Dem
just spitballing here. California is assuredly blue for the long haul, and we have millions of people here. Like what if we moved 1 million people to PA, WI, etc. etc. so they would turn blue for the near future.
just spitballing here. California is assuredly blue for the long haul, and we have millions of people here. Like what if we moved 1 million people to PA, WI, etc. etc. so they would turn blue for the near future.
I'm leery of any idea that resembles the Free State Project.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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BreezyLimbo
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I'll have to look that up..
Yes, that is actually illegal, unfortunately
bleh. It seem slike Cali and New York in particular are becoming 'havens' for liberals, and they're leaving red/swing states to live over here(Since alot of jobs are also concentrated here).
Florida had a shocking rural turn out that makes me feel that's a while away, and Texas, whilst it has jobs, doesn't seem to be a place where LIberals would move to live, so that's...a while away. Arizona is well..it's not a swing state.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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BUT, if we had a group of people that went to the homes of rich environmentalists and encouraged them to move to Alaska, that might work if you didn't say you were doing just for election purposes.
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If Cubans feel like they're no longer white under Trump, Florida will swing to D+4. We need to convince Cubans that their well-being is at stake...
Also, I need 60 volunteers, someone tell me how to round up volunteers.
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If Cubans feel like they're no longer white under Trump, Florida will swing to D+4. We need to convince Cubans that their well-being is at stake...
Also, I need 60 volunteers, someone tell me how to round up volunteers.
BreezyLimbo
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That's right, isn't the Cuban population in Florida highly conservative? I don't blame them seeing as how Cuba was...for more or less, the extreme Left as a dictatorship, but right now we're in a place where the Right is heading towards that path, funnily enough.
Bonen no Max'd
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Maybe the Democrats just need to finance a bunch of Progressive Retreats to Wisconsin for Californians as a subtle way to encourage them to move. Keith Ellison hire me?
TestOfTide
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I doubt Maine will go red soon considering how much everyone in Maine hates Le Page.
balladofwindfishes
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We should all just move to Hawaii and make our own literal liberal paradise.
Dominican Power
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Isn't she the troll that was a Trump surrogate?Merry Christmas, it might be the first sex scandal of the Trump administration! Jason Miller was announced for communications director two days ago and then stepped down today possibly because:
https://twitter.com/yashar/status/812801720426315776
Delgado may just be referring to Miller's wife expecting, but Delgado also deleted her account just now so!
Poodlestrike
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What we really need to do is convince hipsters that the next community that needs gentrifying is small-town America. You've seen urban farming, now see extraurban farming!
Well that didn't take long.
Merry Christmas, it might be the first sex scandal of the Trump administration! Jason Miller was announced for communications director two days ago and then stepped down today possibly because:
https://twitter.com/yashar/status/812801720426315776
Delgado may just be referring to Miller's wife expecting, but Delgado also deleted her account just now so!
Well that didn't take long.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I don't know if hipsters vote though.
Maybe we could get some "it's time to gentrify Iowa!" going though, might as well try.
Ether_Snake
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With the EC system, failed red states could go after successful blue states. So even when the economic incentive for those states to pull on their bootstraps are clear they'll use the law to get handouts from the productive blue states.
How ironic.
But pride will probably just make them sabotage blue states and get nothing in return, just a big frustration movement. You already got a glimpse of this now.
How ironic.
But pride will probably just make them sabotage blue states and get nothing in return, just a big frustration movement. You already got a glimpse of this now.
RustyNails
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If his wife is expecting, why the sudden resignation? Wouldn't he want to cement his job further if his family is expecting a kid.Merry Christmas, it might be the first sex scandal of the Trump administration! Jason Miller was announced for communications director two days ago and then stepped down today possibly because:
https://twitter.com/yashar/status/812801720426315776
Delgado may just be referring to Miller's wife expecting, but Delgado also deleted her account just now so!
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Miller almost surely resigned because of some scandal. His wife is expecting, but it's just uncertain what exactly the scandal that took Miller down was. Him fucking Delgado in that strip club after the Vegas debate and impregnating her would be a pretty tasty scandal though.
Dominican Power
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AJ Delgado isn't his wife, right?
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