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[excelsiorlef]

I would rather super delegates turn against a candidate unlikely to win in the general than have a fascist authoritarian running the country. If they're going to exist at all, this is what they're there for.

And if Bernie Sanders won the pledged delegates but was being investigated by the FBI and statistically tied with a monster, and Hillary was up 10% points on said monsters with none of the same baggage I'd want the same in that situation too. Otherwise they might not even be there and we should get rid of them.

Though any candidate with those kinds of issues (Not to mention a 35% approval rating) should have suspended their campaign before it got to that point.

You would not have won this election anyway had the DNC done that and in fact could have suppressed the minority vote possibly permanently

 

[Grexeno]

You aren't the only person who put a lot of work into trying to get Hillary elected.

I watched as dozens of former Sanders supporters wanted to volunteer for the Hillary campaign, but were constantly shit on and pushed away by Hillary Campaign. Anyone who wasn't a blindly screaming YAS QUEEN die-hard was a racist sexist KKK member and they didn't want their time, support or vote.

 

[Carpe Libertatem]

I think what we are seeing is a shift from Arizona, Nevada, Texas, Georgia being in play, and maybe WI and Michigan starting to trend the other way?

Yeah, probably. But with a different candidate than Hillary the rust belt will still almost certainly be in play. She barely lost them, while basically ignoring MI and WI and only touching Philly and Pitt.

The shift in the "sun belt" just means Democrats will have more options to play with.

I live in Western PA. I've gotta say, it's become a lot more, shall we say, Duck Dynasty outside of Pittsburgh over the past several years. It's always been like that, but not as much. It definitely helps explain the higher saturation of Trump voters in the red counties, though.

I still don't see how it's lost to Democrats forever. This wasn't 1964. The closest states to the southern ones that shifted in that year were IA and OH and even they weren't close to the lopsided 1964 results.

 

[Debirudog]

I don't think we need to win over every rural supporter but it's evident they are Obama->Trump supporters that while might have selfish and bigoted views, were not actively hating on blacks. Sure, they'll get sensitive as shit and snap at anyone with the slightest of statements saying their wrong, but their problems have to be listened to and I don't think we'll forever lose them.

 

[shinra-bansho]

So we're still on the "blame Bernie and his followers" stage? Have we learned nothing? Is this supposed to make undecideds and those that were disheartened "fall in line"? Having the opposite effect on me.

I think dramatis is saying, probably in a more acerbic tone than I would recommend, is that if you weren't out there doing something to help, if you didn't bother to vote, if you spent all your time sharing stupid memes about how awful she was and adding to the deluge of terrible noise drowning out the signal... then it's really rich to turn around and say I told you so, should have gone with who I wanted more.

It's kind of the height of entitlement.

There are lots of problems at play here. Among them how fickle parts of the base can be.

Republicans always come home. How can you get it so that Democrats do too.

 

[Sirpopopop]

I voted and did everything I could to convince people to vote for Hillary. Taking your toys and going home is childish, and that's not what I or a significant number of Bernie supporters did. You can browbeat them all you want but it's not going to help at this point. I know there's a great deal of concern that the party will be entirely turned over to the hard left via Bernie and his influence but I don't see it happening.

Personally, I don't like the tone you guys take.

You take every opportunity you can to bash Clinton.

You take every opportunity to point out how her campaign was the worst of all time apparently.

You continue to take minority votes for granted (See: Sierra Blanca was not a big deal. Minorities would have gotten over it & fell in line), while insisting that Democrats need to appeal more to WWC.

You take every opportunity you can to mock Clinton supporters with, "YAAS QUEEN" jokes while pretending you are the ones being persecuted. That bullshit from your team is straight bullying.

I will not support any Democrat with cash or votes if Keith Ellison is elected as DNC chair.

I take your behavior personally. I want to punish your wing of the party.

 

[thehypocrite]

It is not disrespectful and false to say working with Trump means you are working with a racist. It's fact.

What was fucking rich and elitist is the pile of fools post-primary who threw tantrums about Hillary winning. We were willing to do the "dirty" work of volunteering, canvassing, donating to this candidate that was called all sorts of dirty stuff because she wasn't pure enough. What did those Bernie supporters do? Protest at DNC, persistently negative about Hillary until the end, "both of them are just as bad", etc.

When the people of the party reached out to the complaining contingent and offered olive branches, the branches were taken but still there were ceaseless declarations of selfish wants, culminating on the obnoxious protests at the DNC. You're sitting here now complaining about how a facist came to power...did the Sanders faction think about that when spreading FUD and being negative about Hillary to the point where people saw her and Trump as the same?

We were trying to win an election, we asked for unity, we got spit on our face instead. The burden fell to minorities to carry progressive ideals.

Where were your complaints about the Sanders supporters back then? What good is it for you to complain about the people who put work into this election, who gave it there all, when this lovely Sanders faction that is now screaming for full control gave nothing?

Do not forget how easily your arguments can be turned against you.

Throw me in the basket of deplorables fam. After Clinton won I was involved and pushed for her to win. I never wanted her to lose. I do think we need to engage with the voters that exists instead of the unicorns you want to pretend that do for a greater common goal and protect minorities like myself as well.

But by all means call me a racist and a deplorable as well cause I want you to have the power to defend yourself from a facist.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

I'm not sure if it's possible to do so, but it'd be curious to see if these voters went Clinton->Bush->Obama->Trump

Going back and forth because every administration has no way of actually fixing their problems because their problems have no fix they want.

Maybe these voters are why the presidency keeps flipping back and forth.

 

[Isaac Otherworld]

...

You're claiming the campaign turned you away as a volunteer because you were a Sanders supporter? I'm not buying that for second, sorry.

Not turned away but it was a very unfriendly environment and a lot of people just left.

You would not have won this election anyway had the DNC done that and in fact could have suppressed the minority vote possibly permanently

Honestly, you're right and I'm talking from my anger and wish that there was anything more we could have done to not have had President Trump.

 

[HariKari]

I take your behavior personally. I want to punish your wing of the party.

I'm a human being, not a tribal other. Your response is as childish as the claimed behavior of Sanders supporters. If the party is going to move forward together, this shit has to stop.

 

[shinra-bansho]

I will not support any Democrat with cash or votes if Keith Ellison is elected as DNC chair.

I take your behavior personally. I want to punish your wing of the party.

This seems a very unproductive approach as well.

Throw me in the basket of deplorables fam. After Clinton won I was involved and pushed for her to win. I never wanted her to lose. I do think we need to engage with the voters than exists instead of the unicorns you want to pretend that do for a greater common goal and protect minorities like myself as well.

But by all means call me a racist and a deplorable as well cause I want you to have the power to defend yourself from a facist.

She said working with a racist. No one is calling you a racist...

Seriously, calm down all of you.

 

[thehypocrite]

I think dramatis is saying, probably in a more acerbic tone than I would recommend, is that if you weren't out there doing something to help, if you didn't bother to vote, if you spent all your time sharing stupid memes about how awful she was and adding to the deluge of terrible noise drowning out the signal... then it's really rich to turn around and say I told you so, should have gone with who I wanted more.

It's kind of the height of entitlement.

There are lots of problems at play here. Among them how fickle parts of the base can be.

Republicans always come home. How can you get it so that Democrats do too.

But did I personally did that? Who is he talking to here? What does he know about me personally? That's how you lose votes, you forget that people aren't a hive and act independently for individual reasons. But throw me in the basket of racist and deplorables.

I thought Sanders were the ones with the purity tests, apparently Democrats have more alike than they think.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

I don't think we have any evidence that Bernie voters didn't vote for Hillary.

The original idea that Trump won due to turnout being down seems bunk at this point. It doesn't appear to be the Busters, unless the Busters make up a large chunk of the white working class in the Rust Belt who voted for Obama but moved to Trump.

I will not support any Democrat with cash or votes if Keith Ellison is elected as DNC chair.

Chuck Shumer is the most establishment established stooge to ever be established and he supports Keith. Everyone seems to support Keith, from the Busters to people completely and totally entrenched in the DNC. Maybe the breath of fresh air will help.

The DNC can't keep turning back to people who "worked" at one point like Dean, Clinton or even Obama. That's how we spiral down to irrelevancy. Because eventually these people lose their touch.

 

[Sirpopopop]

I'm a human being, not a tribal other. Your response is as childish as the claimed behavior of Sanders supporters. If the party is going to move forward together, this shit has to stop.

That's the problem. You expect unity while engaging in bullying behavior like "YAAAS QUEEN" mockery.

 

[Debirudog]

if it means anything I talked to a trump supporter who said he didn't vote for Clinton because she's "suspicious" and untrustworthy.

He wasn't the typical douchebage white frat boy though-more on the nerdy bespectacled side who's pretty chummy.

 

[eBay Huckster]

1) there's a whole lot of unproductive shit being said right now that we're all gonna regret in two years when the GOP hangs onto 40 governors' mansions, gains 10 Senate seats, and gains seats in the House on account of literally everyone in this party talking past each other, refusing to accept culpability, and generally being Corbynites

2) turnout probably didn't cause this unless your supposition is that it was supposed to be above 2008 levels. the sooner we realize this, the sooner we can figure this the fuck out.

3) keith ellison, as already noted, just got the green light from chuck schumer. both pro and anti-establishment wings appear to want him.

 

[Debirudog]

1) there's a whole lot of unproductive shit being said right now that we're all gonna regret in two years when the GOP hangs onto 40 governors' mansions, gains 10 Senate seats, and gains seats in the House on account of literally everyone in this party talking past each other, refusing to accept culpability, and generally being Corbynites

2) turnout probably didn't cause this unless your supposition is that it was supposed to be above 2008 levels. the sooner we realize this

This, this and this. We need to get over this pissy infighting or we aren't gonna defend jack shit.

 

[UltimaPooh]

Seriously Bernie-stans from a fellow Bernie-stan stop harping on Hilary and HilGAF.

Mistakes were made and they admitted to them.

We don't know how Bernie would have done in the GE or what could be possible to bring him down. Polls were faulty so we don't know if he would have beaten Trump.

A lot of minorities had a problem with Bernie and he failed to adequately address them in their eyes.

A lot of Bernie supporters would just not let this shit go and I have called out fellow Bernie supporters for continuing to egg it on when none of what they were saying was true about the Hilary campaign. You don't move forward and inact Bernie like policies by disagreeing with other progressives and Democrats because he wasn't selected by the DNC. If you're serious about real progress you would see that just like Bernie did and yet you still refuse to.

 

[PInk Tape]

I'm not sure if it's possible to do so, but it'd be curious to see if these voters went Clinton->Bush->Obama->Trump

Going back and forth because every administration has no way of actually fixing their problems because their problems have no fix they want.

Maybe these voters are why the presidency keeps flipping back and forth.

It's an interesting theory to look into. I wouldn't be surprised if that is the case.

 

[shinra-bansho]

But did I personally did that? Who is he talking to here? What does he know about me personally? That's how you lose votes, you forget that people aren't a hive and act independently for individual reasons. But throw me in the basket of racist and deplorables.

I thought Sanders were the ones with the purity tests, apparently Democrats have more alike than they think.

She's saying it's distasteful, I mean you even think it's distasteful but necessary.
I don't know if you've gone so far as to suggest doing it at expense of the party's minority voter issues - there are too many post-mortems to keep track of.
This isn't a purity test of a given candidate. This is a test of the party's values. What goes in the tent.

 

[DrForester]

Seriously Bernie-stans from a fellow Bernie-stan stop harping on Hilary and HilGAF.

Mistakes were made and they admitted to them.

We don't know how Bernie would have done in the GE or what could be possible to bring him down. Polls were faulty so we don't know if he would have beaten Trump.

A lot of minorities had a problem with Bernie and he failed to adequately address them in their eyes.

A lot of Bernie supporters would just not let this shit go and I have called out fellow Bernie supporters for continuing to egg it on when none of what they were saying was true about the Hilary campaign. You don't move forward and inact Bernie like policies by disagreeing with other progressives and Democrats because he wasn't selected by the DNC. If you're serious about real progress you would see that just like Bernie did and yet you still refuse to.

I blame Hillary and her campaign lot for their arrogance and stupidity in their general election campaign. No, they weren't solely responsible for their loss, Wikileaks, the media and the FBI certainly aided Trump, but she just ran a lousy campaign and handed the Presidency to Trump.

I don't hold a grudge for the Primary. She won, fair and square, I don't buy into the "rigged primary" rhetoric, and I have few delusions that Bernie could have won the General Election. The people that came out for Trump I think would have come out if a Jewish Socialist was on the ticket too.

 

[Diablos]

1) there's a whole lot of unproductive shit being said right now that we're all gonna regret in two years when the GOP hangs onto 40 governors' mansions, gains 10 Senate seats, and gains seats in the House on account of literally everyone in this party talking past each other, refusing to accept culpability, and generally being Corbynites

2) turnout probably didn't cause this unless your supposition is that it was supposed to be above 2008 levels. the sooner we realize this, the sooner we can figure this the fuck out.

3) keith ellison, as already noted, just got the green light from chuck schumer. both pro and anti-establishment wings appear to want him.

This.

All I see is bickering back and forth. Let's not give the GOP 2/3rds of the Senate please.

 

[VRMN]

1) there's a whole lot of unproductive shit being said right now that we're all gonna regret in two years when the GOP hangs onto 40 governors' mansions, gains 10 Senate seats, and gains seats in the House on account of literally everyone in this party talking past each other, refusing to accept culpability, and generally being Corbynites

2) turnout probably didn't cause this unless your supposition is that it was supposed to be above 2008 levels. the sooner we realize this

Infighting right now is incredibly unproductive. We cannot splinter as the opposition before the threat even takes office. Bernie supporters, Hillary supporters, and even #NeverTrump Republicans need to unite to try and mitigate the damage the next administration has the potential to cause.

I don't care if you're more liberal than Sanders or a moderate. We need all the help we can get. Electoral victories are, at soonest, two years out, and while we need people in place to try and get those victories, the threat is not waiting two years for us to win an election. Protecting minority rights, the first amendment's protections, and doing whatever we can to stop climate change -- and that last one probably is not doable just nationally -- are our priorities and should hopefully be stuff we can work on with people across that spectrum.

 

[HariKari]

That's the problem. You expect unity while engaging in bullying behavior like "YAAAS QUEEN" mockery.

I've never personally done that. I'd also add that Bernie fans weren't exactly welcomed with open arms. But that's water under the bridge at this point, or at least it needs to be.

Do you think what you posted at me is reasonable discourse or welcoming in any way? I mean, I'm here, engaged, and we're supposed to be on the same team. I'm not new to the party or voting for Democrats.

You don't like Ellison for some reason, so I'd like to hear why. His support isn't exclusively from Bernie-stan or whatever you want to call it.

 

[UltimaPooh]

I blame Hillary and her campaign lot for their arrogance and stupidity in their general election campaign. No, they weren't solely responsible for their loss, Wikileaks, the media and the FBI certainly aided Trump, but she just ran a lousy campaign and handed the Presidency to Trump.

I don't hold a grudge for the Primary. She won, fair and square, I don't buy into the "rigged primary" rhetoric, and I have few delusions that Bernie could have won the General Election. The people that came out for Trump I think would have come out if a Jewish Socialist was on the ticket too.

Well I wasn't directing it at you Forester... you don't seem to be up in HilGAFs grill like some of the other Bernie supporters here.

 

[thehypocrite]

This seems a very unproductive approach as well.

She said working with a racist. No one is calling you a racist...

Seriously, calm down all of you.

She makes no difference between that. She thinks I, a minority wants to works with them, when we have said that that's not what is being proposed. A racist above all won't vote for us, a person that's open to vote for Obama and for Sanders, and vote for the Democrats cannot be a racist above all. He maybe a lot of things but we want and need his vote to do good for all us. But, nah, let's cross our arms in the name of high moral ground and do nothing when a facist that attends and increases the danger I face while in this country has all the tools as his disposal to make my life worst.


Throw me in the basket of deplorables, that's more important, that's were the energy needs to go. Your moral high ground is more important than the plight of minorities.

 

[Gruco]

1) there's a whole lot of unproductive shit being said right now that we're all gonna regret in two years when the GOP hangs onto 40 governors' mansions, gains 10 Senate seats, and gains seats in the House on account of literally everyone in this party talking past each other, refusing to accept culpability, and generally being Corbynites

2) turnout probably didn't cause this unless your supposition is that it was supposed to be above 2008 levels. the sooner we realize this, the sooner we can figure this the fuck out.

3) keith ellison, as already noted, just got the green light from chuck schumer. both pro and anti-establishment wings appear to want him.

1) I actually think I've seen progress in this thread. Maybe too hopeful? It hasn't been a week yet and there is a lot to process. But in general I think the sentiments that it is up to everyone to do better and we are in this together are important ones which deserve a lot of repetition.

2) I think turnout mattered some. Great numbers in strongholds but could have been stronger. Big gains in suburbs. Too many blank ballots and 3rd party voters. But not the most important thing. Doesn't appear to qualify as a top-tier story even.

3) the "I-want-a-full-timer" wing of the party gets screwed again. I like Ellison. But this should not be the part time job of a sitting congressman.

 

[Cyanity]

1) there's a whole lot of unproductive shit being said right now that we're all gonna regret in two years when the GOP hangs onto 40 governors' mansions, gains 10 Senate seats, and gains seats in the House on account of literally everyone in this party talking past each other, refusing to accept culpability, and generally being Corbynites

2) turnout probably didn't cause this unless your supposition is that it was supposed to be above 2008 levels. the sooner we realize this, the sooner we can figure this the fuck out.

3) keith ellison, as already noted, just got the green light from chuck schumer. both pro and anti-establishment wings appear to want him.

Yep. It's time to come together and try something new, because the status quo obviously isn't cutting it. Brazile should have stepped down the second Hillary won. Elison will be a welcome head of the DNC.

 

[shinra-bansho]

There's probably an alternate reality out there where people are unproductively saying I told you so about President Trump winning against socialist (((Bernie Sanders))) if that makes anyone feel better? Worse?

She makes no difference between that. She thinks I, a minority wants to works with them, when we have said that that's not what is being proposed. A racist above all won't vote for us, a person that's open to vote for Obama and for Sanders, and vote for the Democrats cannot be a racist above all. He maybe a lot of things but we want and need his vote to do good for all us. But, nah, let's cross our arms in the name of high moral ground and do nothing when a facist that attends and increases the danger I face while in this country has all the tools as his disposal to make my life worst.

Throw me in the basket of deplorables, that's more important, that's were the energy needs to go. Your moral high ground is more important than the plight of minorities.

I think that there was an immediate reaction around throwing minorities under the bus, which was disturbing to say the least. That's died down a bit.

And again, I think it's probably too soon to say that A) it's the right strategy to go after these voters full bore, particularly at the expense of those that did vote to stop Trump (I feel I need to add here as always, while still helping them in office). And B) that this is the only path back to victory.

 

[thehypocrite]

She's saying it's distasteful, I mean you even think it's distasteful but necessary.
I don't know if you've gone so far as to suggest doing it at expense of the party's minority voter issues - there are too many post-mortems to keep track of.
This isn't a purity test of a given candidate. This is a test of the party's values. What goes in the tent.

I never said that. That's the party base and makes no sense to sacrifice them. We need to increase our numbers. My argument was that we need to win these voters with something and provided ideas for strategies in the Rustbelt. My thesis has always been to increase our numbers and be more inclusive to these rural voters that can be added to our voting blocks.

 

[VendettaRed07]

Everyone is already descending into madness. I don't know if we are going to make it

 

[balladofwindfishes]

There's probably an alternate reality out there where people are unproductively saying I told you so about President Trump winning against socialist (((Bernie Sanders))) if that makes anyone feel better? Worse?

That would mean there's an alternate reality where Martin O'Malley is our president right now.

Also one where Ted Cruz is president.

 

[eBay Huckster]

I blame Hillary and her campaign lot for their arrogance and stupidity in their general election campaign. No, they weren't solely responsible for their loss, Wikileaks, the media and the FBI certainly aided Trump, but she just ran a lousy campaign and handed the Presidency to Trump.

I don't hold a grudge for the Primary. She won, fair and square, I don't buy into the "rigged primary" rhetoric, and I have few delusions that Bernie could have won the General Election. The people that came out for Trump I think would have come out if a Jewish Socialist was on the ticket too.

yeah, flat out: she ran a shitty campaign.

now that i don't have the subconscious blinders of "if I admit this everything about a Trump presidency is gonna hit me at once" on, i can say this (and all kinds of things about the campaign that I've already said on social media, up to and including "why the fuck did they literally cede rural/exurban voters").

not to say that you're sniping at people, but to the people who are: we know it. we can admit it. we *are* admitting it. now let's do something more productive.

1) I actually think I've seen progress in this thread. Maybe too hopeful? It hasn't been a week yet and there is a lot to process. But in general I think the sentiments that it is up to everyone to do better and we are in this together are important ones which deserve a lot of repetition.

2) I think turnout mattered some. Great numbers in strongholds but could have been stronger. Big gains in suburbs. Too many blank ballots and 3rd party voters. But not the most important thing. Doesn't appear to qualify as a top-tier story even.

3) the "I-want-a-full-timer" wing of the party gets screwed again. I like Ellison. But this should not be the part time job of a sitting congressman.

yeah, there does seem to be coalescing both here and in the actual DNC around three things - "we need to do better", "we're in this together", and "for the love of god do not take anyone for granted"

turnout did matter somewhat, but we could've blown this campaign to pieces with the same turnout from the same places.

and i'm not sure what we can do about point 3 short of requesting he resigns from congress or having him co-chair with a full-timer.

 

[diaspora]

There's probably an alternate reality out there where people are unproductively saying I told you so about President Trump winning against socialist (((Bernie Sanders))) if that makes anyone feel better? Worse?


I think that there was an immediate reaction around throwing minorities under the bus, which was disturbing to say the least. That's died down a bit.

And again, I think it's probably too soon to say that A) it's the right strategy to go after these voters full bore, particularly at the expense of those that did vote to stop Trump (I feel I need to add here as always, while still helping them in office). And B) that this is the only path back to victory.

What, are people still beating the "muh establishment" drum still?

 

[sunshine and gasoline]

Everyone is already descending into madness. I don't know if we are going to make it

I'm hoping that everyone will calm down in a month or two. If not...:/

 

[shinra-bansho]

What, are people still beating the "muh establishment" drum still?

I'm not even sure what this means.
Could you elaborate beyond a nonsensical one liner.

 

[Debirudog]

Ellison would have to pledge he'll be a co-chair or retire from his position for a full-time job. Either way, he's really necessary for the chairman right now. There's a lot of bickering but I think he'll be the one to calm things down a bit.

 

[thehypocrite]

There's probably an alternate reality out there where people are unproductively saying I told you so about President Trump winning against socialist (((Bernie Sanders))) if that makes anyone feel better? Worse?


I think that there was an immediate reaction around throwing minorities under the bus, which was disturbing to say the least. That's died down a bit.

And again, I think it's probably too soon to say that A) it's the right strategy to go after these voters full bore, particularly at the expense of those that did vote to stop Trump (I feel I need to add here as always, while still helping them in office). And B) that this is the only path back to victory.

Shinra, even though we don't have all the info on the causes of our demise in the 2016 general elections, please explain the house, the Senate, the governor's mansions that have been lost. You are too focused on the trees and are missing the forest. We have effectively nothing in our power to stop the machinations of a facist and a ruthless party.

Tell me how whatever data we get in the next days is going to change that picture.

 

[Diablos]

I just learned today that our GOP legislature in PA is one seat away from being veto proof. Poor Tom Wolf.

 

[Azzanadra]

Personally, I don't like the tone you guys take.

You take every opportunity you can to bash Clinton.

You take every opportunity to point out how her campaign was the worst of all time apparently.

You continue to take minority votes for granted (See: Sierra Blanca was not a big deal. Minorities would have gotten over it & fell in line), while insisting that Democrats need to appeal more to WWC.

You take every opportunity you can to mock Clinton supporters with, "YAAS QUEEN" jokes while pretending you are the ones being persecuted. That bullshit from your team is straight bullying.

I will not support any Democrat with cash or votes if Keith Ellison is elected as DNC chair.

I take your behavior personally. I want to punish your wing of the party.

You sound just like the Donald himself, "vows vengeance" and all that. This bullying you speak of... where were you during the primaries? I remember it getting so toxic that Bernie wanting DWS gone was met with more Bernie hate even though Debbie is a uniquely shitty person and head, something even Hillary supporters should agree with.

Face it, you are taking things personally- your love for Hillary makes you hate everything that is associated with the other side, even a man as innocuous as Keith Ellison.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

I'm still baffled

That Obama is going to let Trump erase the past 8 years of all the work he's done, that letting him back out of the climate deal is going to be disastrous to everything, that the lgbt laws will likely be vetoed, and that we're going to get a sycophant into the supreme court.

Fucking awful.

 

[BotoxAgent]

Schemer being supportive of Ellison is good sign. Sooner we regroup the better.

 

[Chumly]

You aren't the only person who put a lot of work into trying to get Hillary elected.

I watched as dozens of former Sanders supporters wanted to volunteer for the Hillary campaign, but were constantly shit on and pushed away by Hillary Campaign. Anyone who wasn't a blindly screaming YAS QUEEN die-hard was a racist sexist KKK member and they didn't want their time, support or vote.

I see. The Clinton campaign runs a background check to make sure you bow before the queen before they allowed you to volunteer?

 

[sphagnum]

So what's the easiest not terrible country for a not wealthy American to immigrate to. I want to stay and fight but my girlfriend, who is a minority, is terrified and seriously wants to consider leaving and I can't hold that against her. If she wants to go, we have to go, but I know it would be a long process anyway and I have no idea where to start. I don't even have a passport.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

You aren't the only person who put a lot of work into trying to get Hillary elected.

I watched as dozens of former Sanders supporters wanted to volunteer for the Hillary campaign, but were constantly shit on and pushed away by Hillary Campaign. Anyone who wasn't a blindly screaming YAS QUEEN die-hard was a racist sexist KKK member and they didn't want their time, support or vote.

Not a single Sanders voter was turned away to be a volunteer for Hillary. It's absurd you'd even say something like that.

Unless there's some juicy story I had never heard before where the Hillary Campaign actually refused volunteers based on their primary vote? Which I'm not even sure they're legally allowed to ask about.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Shinra, even though we don't have all the info on the causes of our demise in the 2016 general elections, please explain the house, the Senate, the governor's mansions that have been lost. You are too focused on the trees and are missing the forest. We have effectively nothing in our power to stop the machinations of a facist and a ruthless party.

Tell me how whatever data we get in the next days is going to change that picture.

The president's party usually loses a lot of seats in midterms. 2010 was when the GOP abandoned all pretenses of decency and started coming up with the most insane lies possible ("Deathpanels") to fire up their base to win big in a census year and that made the "president's party loses seats in midterms" effect worse.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Shinra, even though we don't have all the info on the causes of our demise in the 2016 general elections, please explain the house, the Senate, the governor's mansions that have been lost. You are too focused on the trees and are missing the forest. We have effectively nothing in our power to stop the machinations of a facist and a ruthless party.

Tell me how whatever data we get in the next days is going to change that picture.

See Cohn's tweet. The picture is still emerging as to what happened and what's achievable.

Wrt down ticket there was an article I read a while back wherein a lot of down ticket Democrats have never been satisfied with Obama's approach to the house and state level races. It may have bern Politico and therefore garbage though. The loss of state level power is not something that happened in this election. Again 9 governor's mansions were lost circa 2009.

I forget the name of the Project the GOP have been engaging in for a very long time to bring this about. And it's a failing decades in the making of the party.

 

[PInk Tape]

Ellison would have to pledge he'll be a co-chair or retire from his position for a full-time job. Either way, he's really necessary for the chairman right now. There's a lot of bickering but I think he'll be the one to calm things down a bit.

Yup. I have faith in Ellison.

 

[eBay Huckster]

Shinra, even though we don't have all the info on the causes of our demise in the 2016 general elections, please explain the house, the Senate, the governor's mansions that have been lost.

here's what i think, and i said as much last night as well: we've lost all of those non-presidential seats for the same overarching reason we just lost the presidential, and for the same reason that a certain missouri politician ran significantly ahead of literally everyone else with a D next to their name:

because we are literally flying blind outside of the cities where the overwhelming majority of our base is (having ceded groups like the NRA outright which, like them or not, have an enormous presence in rural America), and the cities don't outweigh what's outside of them by nearly enough to justify that.

 

[Diablos]

I'm still baffled

That Obama is going to let Trump erase the past 8 years of all the work he's done, that letting him back out of the climate deal is going to be disastrous to everything, that the lgbt laws will likely be vetoed, and that we're going to get a sycophant into the supreme court.

Fucking awful.

Lindsey Graham advocating for Cruz on the Supreme Court doesn't tell me he's gonna stand up to Trump lol