I really really hope not. Ugh
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SparkleMotion
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Hope? What's that?
balladofwindfishes
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Wouldn't it just mean that states couldn't regulate their healthcare anymore?
The only thing that's going to keep us sane for the next 4 years
It's the American Way
UltimaPooh
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Republican logic.
Dominican Power
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I'm telling y'all, this is going to be W Bush times a hundred. Trump is going to be pulled in a million different ways.
Yes I know that and republicans in congress know that, but they don't really care about bringing down costs for the average American. They don't want a mandate and they don't want government paying for so many people's coverage. So they will shift the costs back onto the consumer, de-regulate, and more or less go back to the way things were. Republicans aren't interested in 100& coverage of the entire population. They aren't interested in expanding healthcare. They want people to choose their own plans and live with whatever consequences there are.
Retromelon
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Fuck..i'm not gonna have enough money to buy pokemon sun at launch
The struggle
The struggle
I don't know. If Ryan is already flirting with killing Medicare next year I'd think he won't even think twice about crippling the ACA if not tossing it out completely.
I think they'll also do some high risk pools shit, not sure exactly how it works but I'm fairly certain that once again, a rather small group of people are going to screwed by that in a big way. That's politically smart since they're rather small in number and tend to be focus on you know, not fucking dying.
They'll also remove the state line restrictions which would mean that all companies will get incorporated in whatever shit state decide to give them most tax benefits and least regulation.
So as a whole I think it will be a step in the wrong direction, but if you work for a company that currently get you health insurance you won't notice too much of a difference. If you're not, like usually with Republicans if you're rich and/or healthy, you'll save some money, if you're poor and sick, you might be fucked.
Edit: also, re:medicare, not that medicare needs saving, it's doing fine, but the easiest way to make its finance works better is to allow for younger people to buy into it (effectively using it as a public option) as it would insert healthier (on average) people into the system. But of course, socialism.
I'll take two Dubyas over one Trump/Pence.
balladofwindfishes
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He's not going to kill Medicare. No amount of redistricting on the planet would help Ryan when AARP flexes their muscles.
Sell some blood/plasma
Poodlestrike
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It's worth noting that the good (read: extra dumb) ones believe that this will result in effectively 100% coverage as the market works itself out. The rest are mostly just varying degrees of evil.
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
Did he just recently say this? Or os it something from 2012?
A lot of Republicans deflected blame by pinning it on Carter because of the Community Reinvestment Act.
I'd take Grumpy Cat as our president over Trump/Pence.
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
AntraxSuicide
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The thing about Paul Ryan is that he's a unicorn. Most of the GOP are grifters, and the other chunk of them are authoritarians, but Ryan legit drank all of the "Trickle Down" Koolaid and he's never changed from that. The goal isn't to reduce taxes or anything. It's the same thing as asking why we exist. We exist because we exist, and Medicare should end because Medicare should end.
The dismantling of the government, in Ryan's eyes, is the goal philosophically. He probably knows that it'll hurt a lot of people, as do most Republicans. Most Republicans either really do want to hurt a lot of people (racists) or they don't care (business types who only want lower taxes). But Ryan is the unicorn that actually does feel bad for these people, but believes on a philosophical level that helping them is wrong and the government is bad.
The existence of the government to Paul Ryan is like the institution of slavery to us. It's bad morally, and it should go away. Maybe some people get hurt by that (Southerners lose money if you end slavery, would be his reasoning), but he doesn't care. He morally objects to the government.
Paul Ryan is ironically more libertarian than most libertarians. All hail the private sector.
Yeah, accurate. If they take down Medicare, there's a shit ton of old people who will rage that the GOP wasn't supposed to punish them for being welfare leeches, just the black people driving Cadillac cars and using iPhones at the grocery store.
IggyChooChoo
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I heard from a lobbyist friend that the AARP can at any given time robo-call 30 million oldies with a message that allows you to press 1 to be connected with your congressman's office and immediately start griping directly to their staffer.
CoffeeJanitor
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He just said it in the 60 minutes interview.
I would take a bowl of rotten eggs, as someone on this forum so eloquently put. Just a bowl of rotten eggs with a little american flag in it.
A bust of himself.
I'd take an inanimate carbon rod over Trump/Pence.
probably just paint a funny moustache on it
Retromelon
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Naw dawg gimme my cybeast gregar legendary over some lame moon robot any day*
*c wut i did ther
balladofwindfishes
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I was helping my Grandma around the house yesterday and she was sorting her mail and she got 3 separate mailers from AARP on the same day.
The efficiency of that lobby is insane. At least they work towards good causes (protecting some of the most vulnerable) and aren't like the NRA (also efficient, but not for good causes).
AntraxSuicide
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Paid for by the Trump Foundation.
https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/797878574086811648
Can Bernie shut the fuck up here?
He's really gonna play like we lost because "boo hoo, poor white working class". fuck this shit. He's no face of progressivism with this backwards attitude.
this brought a smile to my face. lmao
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I was theorizing. That's why I said "part of me." I am well aware of the major problems it will cause for people, including my mother. It is political suicide.
Both have better policies and wouldn't cause the world to turn into a nuclear wasteland because some world leader said something bad about them on Twitter.
I get health insurance through work. But I wonder about if I'd ever be in between jobs or starting a new one and need coverage. This will happen eventually.
Also can't insurance companies find any little ailment or problem you had with your health and call it a pre existing condition? If so how much were these high risk pool plans?
All of this worry over 107k votes in the fucking rust belt. This is still a nightmare.
BreezyLimbo
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I mean
People who voted Obama, voted Trump. In one of the rural states, 90,000 people voted for everything on the ballot except for the President part.
We did lose because the white working class was ignored by Clinton.
UltimaPooh
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Don't think people have learned too much around here.
He has a point it's definitely not what people want... and it's not at the sacrifice of progressive values to race or sex or sexuality.
Bernie always pivots to white voters. That's his career in a nutshell. He feels the pain of working class, straight white male voters who feel America has lost its way.
CoffeeJanitor
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(but that's why they lost)
StopMakingSense
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Part of the problem with high risk pools were they woild be waitlisted for like 9 months. It's been a while but I think the CA one had a 6 month exclusion on top of that. On top of that premiums in the 600-800 a month range, iirc.
They were a complete non option for me when I had to look into it.
Four_Chamber
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As a Hillary primary voter, I'm on board with Bernie is saying. Economics played a big role in this election. Without a once in a generation candidate like Obama, Democrats have shown they'll struggle in the elections.
I'm excited about (hopefully) Keith Ellison working on building up the party at the local level so that we can start addressing those inequalities.
I'm excited about (hopefully) Keith Ellison working on building up the party at the local level so that we can start addressing those inequalities.
balladofwindfishes
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I wonder if Trump with a Dem Congress would actually be decent.
BreezyLimbo
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Right.
And appealing to WWC doesn't mean that you're abandoning minorities. It doesn't mean that suddenly your party is racist and against minorities. It's simply that-appealing to a voter base.
In a perfect ideological world, the Democrat party wouldn't need to appeal to white people. It would be the party of minorities. But this isn't that world.
Cesare Borgia
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Why do you automatically assume "working class families"="white working class families"?
He's not really wrong. I'm not a Sanders fan but we just saw a democrat candidate lose because she couldn't hold three "working class" blue states.
What are your reasons for why the Democrats lost?
There was a multiple point polling swing from the Comey announcements
Sexism and racism are pretty rampant, and Clinton wasn't the best candidate, but Bernie is wrong here. The future of the Democratic party is an intersectional coalition.
newshinycd
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Makes me wonder how the Oval Office will be redecorated. Like, does Trump put a lot of gold shit in there? What about the rug?
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I'm applying to Econ Ph.D. programs as of now and I could use suggestions on schools if anyone has any advice... I'm interested in Labor, Development, Growth, Public, Political Economy, and Environmental in that order.
168 Quant GRE, 3.995 GPA (A- in Ph.D. level Time series), double major in mathematics and economics (with three classes in analysis, two in mathematical statistics, and two in stochastic processes). Doing math research as of now. Went to a university that was good at math and not good at Econ (to put it lightly)
Current school list...
LOL NO Tier:
1. Princeton
2. Yale
3. Berkeley
Maybe... Tier:
4. Michigan
5. UCLA
6. Brown
Hopefully Tier:
7. Texas
8. Rochester
9. MSU
10. Virginia
What are some good schools ranked in the 40s or 50s that I should apply to just in case? If anyone has any suggestions, that would be cool. No problem if you don't.
168 Quant GRE, 3.995 GPA (A- in Ph.D. level Time series), double major in mathematics and economics (with three classes in analysis, two in mathematical statistics, and two in stochastic processes). Doing math research as of now. Went to a university that was good at math and not good at Econ (to put it lightly)
Current school list...
LOL NO Tier:
1. Princeton
2. Yale
3. Berkeley
Maybe... Tier:
4. Michigan
5. UCLA
6. Brown
Hopefully Tier:
7. Texas
8. Rochester
9. MSU
10. Virginia
What are some good schools ranked in the 40s or 50s that I should apply to just in case? If anyone has any suggestions, that would be cool. No problem if you don't.
He's right.
excelsiorlef
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It's funny he risks crafting a Democratic party that sounds and offers virtually the same as the New Trump Republican party only Trump will offer minorities to scapegoat and this Dem Party will offer raising your taxes...
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