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Having to be Biden's PR handler would be a job that would have to come with a voucher for a free liver transplant. I'd be shit faced every weekend to get through that.
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PoliGAF 2016 |OT4| Tyler New Chief Exit Pollster at CNN
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Having to be Biden's PR handler would be a job that would have to come with a voucher for a free liver transplant. I'd be shit faced every weekend to get through that.
eBay Huckster
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i dunno, i think i'd have a ton of fun being his PR handler while sober
NYCmetsfan
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UM.
You can't access the website at all.
This is good lol. Its amazing the disconnect people have
If you didn't have to worry about getting in any trouble it'd be a fun job, but this guy is probably spending every day worried this is gonna be the day he gets canned.
Personally, I think Biden's got the fun job.
eBay Huckster
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i guess so, i'm just thinking i'd have a ton of fun coming up with new and exciting ways to damage control his gaffes
Well you have to remember that after every public gaffe, a million people will be calling you, from the White House to Dem leadership to the Media. All asking WTH happened.
I can only imagine what Biden's PR guys went through after he came out in support of gay marriage back in 2012.
PR Guys: "NOT YET JOE! NOT YET!"
He put a jet engine on that sucker :lol
"STICK TO THE PLAN JOE"
Macho Madness
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Monmouth
NY
Clinton 51
Sanders 39
NY
Clinton 51
Sanders 39
eBay Huckster
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now THAT'S the biggest reason why i'd quit that job in a minute
Aaron Strife
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Just imagine Biden before Obama's gay marriage interview.
"Get'm tiger, I warmed 'em up for you!"
I wish he could have been president.
"Get'm tiger, I warmed 'em up for you!"
I wish he could have been president.
Macho Madness
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There will be a NBC poll of NY voters released at 5PM ET
Porbably before the CoroCoro leaks smdh
Macho Madness
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More on New York from Monmouth:
And_Gignac
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Bullshit. I facebanked all day long yesterday, this is wrong!
12 points aint nothing. One week to go still.
That birth certificate is definitely a WWE style comparison to The Rock; which I am all for.
West and Obama have had a long history of not liking each other. Obama's often been on the receiving end of a No True Scotsman argument from several black progressive intellectuals / black nationalists for some odd reason (IIRC I think Coates has issues with him because of Coates being a black nationalist and Obama being more of a pragmatist. Been years since I thought about that aspect though)
Fair. Y'all have more or less ran all the Bernie folks out of the thread (except for masochists like me) on top of it, so not much discussion on that front either.
TheLostBigBoss
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I think Pete is gonna have a real hard time dealing with his locker room if the QB is being called out for not being black enough.
I think the question of how much force is appropriate for America to use is a deeply difficult one, although I'm glad it's being discussed in the thread again.
One of the big difficulties I have trying to formulate a position on the issue is that every action appears to be wrong. Clearly not intervening in Rwanda was wrong. Clearly invading Iraq was wrong. Clearly not supporting Egypt sufficiently was wrong. Clearly our multilateral, European-proposed intervention in Libya was wrong, and clearly both suggesting intervention in Syria and not suggesting intervention in Syria seem to be wrong.
If your goal is to prevent loss of life and genocide, it's not clear that it is actually possible for any action the United States can take to bring that goal about. (Although apparently our engagement in Serbia way back in the day was totally appropriate, which just makes things harder.)
Basically, after Libya's failure, it's very hard for me to envision a situation where I could confidently say an American intervention would be a good idea. Libya had all the factors that we talk about wanting to justify an intervention -- genocide in progress, multilateral alliance, UN/NATO support, unelected government to depose, existing regional powers to take over. It still didn't work out! So what was the missing piece that WOULD have made that intervention have good results?
I do not believe that Clinton only has 52% of the vote in the Bronx while also winning 62% of the black vote.
Macho Madness
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It is worth noting that a significant number of minority voters in New York City are undecided."
VendettaRed07
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Obama did not have the same path as to what his racial identity he would chose as most, but all things considering I think it is ridiculous how people call into question the legitimacy of his identity.
Apparently when he was younger in college, he was going to present himself as a person of "mixed race", but as he met more people who were mixed, and especially ones who could "pass off" as white, he felt that they looked down on people who were darker or specifically black. He thought that people who wanted to present themselves as mixed did so just to distance themselves from being black, which made him uncomfortable, and felt alienated because he couldn't "pass off" as white quite in the same manner other people of mixed race could. So he chose to identify as black after that.
He could have chose not to indentify as black. Especially someone with Presidential and political ambition it would have made sense for him to present himself as mixed, but he chose to indentify as black, despite the obstacles it would create for him, and yet became President anyway.
Apparently when he was younger in college, he was going to present himself as a person of "mixed race", but as he met more people who were mixed, and especially ones who could "pass off" as white, he felt that they looked down on people who were darker or specifically black. He thought that people who wanted to present themselves as mixed did so just to distance themselves from being black, which made him uncomfortable, and felt alienated because he couldn't "pass off" as white quite in the same manner other people of mixed race could. So he chose to identify as black after that.
He could have chose not to indentify as black. Especially someone with Presidential and political ambition it would have made sense for him to present himself as mixed, but he chose to indentify as black, despite the obstacles it would create for him, and yet became President anyway.
eBay Huckster
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that's either because a ton of black voters in the Bronx are undecided or because the universe merger is already happening
Macho Madness
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It is worth noting that a significant number of minority voters in New York City are undecided."
I still don't quite buy it, but okay.
Fenderputty
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That's because you lack Principles. You should be more like West who clearly has tons and tons of them.
There's an apocryphal rumor that Biden's PR / Personal staff was gifted upwards of $10k of booze from fellow staffers (who did this out of their own personal money, lol) after Obama won in 2008.
Kosovo? That seemed effective?
I think the Clintons are especially bad on this because of all the issues from their previous engagements, and sometimes feeling like they have to make up for their past failures. Just my view though, IMO.
Just proves once you reach a certain level you damn near have to be caught with dead bodies to fail.
can not be said enough. West is petty spiteful because Obama did not kiss his ass.
Him being on Team Sanders shows exactly how in tune they been with the black vote
AntraxSuicide
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If this came out, what would it do to his targets in CA? He'd need like 70-30 there to fix that.
excelsiorlef
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I sold mine to donate to Clinton. Times are tough and I could have used them but I wanted to sacrifice for someone I believe in.
And_Gignac
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By going to the Vatican??
Yes? Just another rally wont cut it. Hispanics, if they vote him in the percentages they did in other states, could give him a win. And even if the Vatican does not equals The Pope, the institution still has a lot of respect specially with older people.
I dont think he is doing it (going to the Vatican) because of the campaign, though.
GutsOfThor
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Hillary is a power hungry socialite now?
What is she saying?
UM.
You can't access the website at all.
That ain't right.
They should set it up so they can only access those sections of the site. Why punish the gay people in NC further?
Random chance.
We don't know what will happen. So should we just let things go bad, or try to help with a strong chance of things also going bad or worse? We just don't know. Maybe we can't know. We are simply not in control of events.
As a normal person, with no power at all, it hurts to think about the terrible things that are going on in the world. But imagine that you had real power, that you were in fact the most powerful person in the world, and you really could do something. And on top of that, you get detailed briefings on exactly how bad things are. Do you let things happen? Do you risk making things worse by trying to stop them from happening? What would it be like to watch thousands upon thousands of people being systematically slaughtered, and do nothing, when you control the most powerful military that ever existed? What would it be like to try to stop a genocide, and believe you really did prevent a horror, only for events to become even more chaotic as a result ending in even more death?
I never want to know what that's like.
"I don't want you to see that I want the best pulled pork"
Then why suggest it? You don't think it's a good strategy or even that it is a strategy at all. So why defend it?
Macho Madness
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I wonder how much 2008 information gets plugged in there that could be skewing things unintentionally.
But overall as with most polls you just throw it into the aggregate and hope for the best.
RustyNails
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NY steady as she goes. Fact that she's above 50 in every poll means it will be almost impossible for an upset. Dont fuck this up b-dubs.
User 463088
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If she had that margin in NY, and won everything but Rhode Island by the margins we expect on the 26th.....she'd erase every single one of Bernie's wins over the last 3 weeks...except for Utah. She'd probably be back on a 300(ish) delegate lead.
As you know, you go to stan with the werk you have, not the werk you might want or wish to have at a later time.
AntraxSuicide
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This sounds like an NP problem, which means it's difficult but we haven't proved that it's impossible to solve. It's easy to verify that previous solutions didn't work, but that doesn't tell us enough to find a general rule for possible solutions.
And I'd put forth Korea as a situation where our intervention made our allies pretty happy. You could argue that that was a war, and stuff like Libya weren't, but that's a pretty arbitrary distinction when we weren't one of the parties being attacked. Like I mentioned earlier, what's the correct US response if NK charges over the southern border? I can't legitimately argue for non-intervention there.
"But then our ally is getting attacked!" Sure. But then we're making it clear that we only concern ourselves with full governments that have allegiance to us. I don't necessarily mind the latter part of that (it's distasteful, but that's true for a lot of foreign policy), but the former is too far for me. Past mistakes don't mean you tell the world to piss off.
Was it not? I was not that politically aware at the time. All I remember is that we got Milosovic and that nobody brings up Kosovo to talk about how evil America is, so I assumed it must have gone okay. I guess you can also theorize that nobody cares about the Balkans, which would match most of European history.
Frankly, this kind of thinking sometimes just makes me want to go jack it in San Diego.
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