*does the same, sees the "little bit of math on a Sunday morning" post*
Thaaaaat's not very good math
Delusion: Convince yourself.
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Delusion: Convince yourself.
Christ that email from Bernie is slimy as hell.
Clooney's point immediately after saying that quoted line was that you can't change the campaign finance system without taking its money because you need to win the downticket seats to change anything. So basically the exact opposite of what Bernie keeps saying.
Clooney's point immediately after saying that quoted line was that you can't change the campaign finance system without taking its money because you need to win the downticket seats to change anything. So basically the exact opposite of what Bernie keeps saying.
My parents were at lunch with one of my mom's good friends, a big lobbyist behind the scenes in the Republican Party and actively works for them, and my mom asked about Trump. She says that the contested convention WILL be happening but was not at liberty to say who they would choose. This'll be interesting if it happens..
RustyNails
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Unrelated to politics but
Worst part
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/04/1...ic-removed-southwest-airlines-plane.html?_r=0
But the email said "Here's the truth", so that's clearly a lie.
Aaron Strife
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It's ok, we just need to push Hillary below the viability threshold in California and we'll win!*does the same, sees the "little bit of math on a Sunday morning" post*
Thaaaaat's not very good math
All Bernie has to do is hit his "credibility threshold" and he'll be on track. What is that, 20%?
aspiegamer
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Watching the absolutism in the more fanatical Sanders supporters has been quite fascinating. You must be 100% in all ways, 100% in line with Sanders internet consensus (and not even necessarily what Bernie even says), 100% in agreement with affiliated social media groups. Any areas of disagreement? Out of the movement. Burned. Corrupt. And the cognitive dissonance in some areas is cringe worthy. We're deep into #NoTrueScotsman territory on some topics, too. It's starting to look like Gamergate's stubborn hive mentality, and I don't use that comparison lightly.
That Clooney swipe is a good example, as it blatantly ignores the reality of politics. Democrats would die in national elections without that kind of money coming in. It's not even money attached to corporations. A fraction of the money is going to Clinton. It's just money that wealthy people are choosing to donate, as if being wealthy and a Democrat is a crime. Hell, if I had that much spare cash I'd be all over that shit. It's George Clooney talking about how much he'd rather not have to do these events in the future. It's the message I 100% agree with and I 100% want to see a Democrat win the Presidency, along with a Congress that can actually help pass their agenda. That's something I would be interested to participate in! It sounds like it'd be a very memorable evening, which is the whole point for the donors.
If you lean Sanders? It's filthy, tainted money, period, regardless of the details. Anyone participating? A threat to democracy. They could well be dedicating their lives to all the same causes Sanders chases behind the scenes and it wouldn't matter. Because the money is being handed over at an event Clinton headlines it's corrupt. No middle ground. Absolutism only. To be a part of the revolution you must be 100% "pure."
That Clooney swipe is a good example, as it blatantly ignores the reality of politics. Democrats would die in national elections without that kind of money coming in. It's not even money attached to corporations. A fraction of the money is going to Clinton. It's just money that wealthy people are choosing to donate, as if being wealthy and a Democrat is a crime. Hell, if I had that much spare cash I'd be all over that shit. It's George Clooney talking about how much he'd rather not have to do these events in the future. It's the message I 100% agree with and I 100% want to see a Democrat win the Presidency, along with a Congress that can actually help pass their agenda. That's something I would be interested to participate in! It sounds like it'd be a very memorable evening, which is the whole point for the donors.
If you lean Sanders? It's filthy, tainted money, period, regardless of the details. Anyone participating? A threat to democracy. They could well be dedicating their lives to all the same causes Sanders chases behind the scenes and it wouldn't matter. Because the money is being handed over at an event Clinton headlines it's corrupt. No middle ground. Absolutism only. To be a part of the revolution you must be 100% "pure."
Box of Kittens
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One of the things I love about the Onion's political cartoons is how they mock this. Between the labels that are completely literal (e.g. kids labeled "innocent kids"), the grim reaper with a label to assert something is bad/dangerous with no argument whatsoever, and things with a label and an arrow pointing to them with yet another label, "Kelly" has the conventions of hack editorial cartoonists down.
Aaron Strife
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Probably Bernie16.
Hillary was simply caught flat-footed by the best politician in a generation. Bernie's campaign has devolved into a raving lunatic emporium.
I find that anything said after the words "Here's the truth" or immediately before asking you to give money is usually bullshit, so this is a nice double whammy.
Aaron Strife
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Yooooooo.
It's like what are rich liberals supposed to do, not spend any of their money?
If I had that kind of money I'd be making full contributions to Feingold, Duckworth, Murphy, Hassan etc. without thinking twice.
It's very "fuck the rich!" mentality. Like as soon as you have money you cease to be a good person.
Anything to feel good about your dollar a month recurring contribution to Sanders I guess.
save this for June 7th.
It's another moment where Hillary's team makes pointed reference to the actual mechanics of winning and then governing, instead of relying on pixie dust in order to achieve success. The negative responses I've seen are heavy with emotional shrieking about tainted money/corruption/yaddayaddayadda, but weigh very little in actual substance.
I have a hard time taking this kind of response seriously. Want to paint a realistic alternative path? Point out a legitimate flaw in the Clinton campaign surrogate's thought process? You have my attention. But hyperventilating on personality traits and the evils of the process/structure/system itself? That's some damn tiresome shit.
Bernie hasn't said anything anywhere nearly as bad as Hillary's RFK comment
Rush Limbaugh's, "Don't doubt me on this," is a pretty good sign you just stepped in bullshit.
Come on, guys! Let's make 1.3mil phone calls by Tuesday and Bernie WILL defeat killary!
Mark Penn was a walking, talking and frequent memo writing unforced error. Hillary's 08 campaign is winning currently but Sanders has plenty of time to take the title,
RustyNails
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Hillary has gotten a little better too. But Bill is still horrible.
Thequietone
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So many people make that mistake these days. I usually make them dizzy explaining why it is could not care less. With a blank stare and a quick you're wrong as their only response.
Soooo, does Sanders showing no real desire to help the down ballot finally prove he plans to be a dictator when elected president and pass all of his laws without the SC//Congress/Senate's help/interference?
/s
metalslimer
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Sanders deserves to be endlessly criticized for this shit with downballot fundraising. I can't believe how hard he is going in on trying to raise money for anyone but his own selfish self.
This kind of shit is actively harmful for this fall.
This kind of shit is actively harmful for this fall.
Black Republican
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The official Queen coronation voodoo dance?
disgust
Well, the good thing is this will all be completely and officially over soon, and then we can stop the pretext Bernie ever had a chance and start moving behind a candidate who actually understands the importance of funds for downticket races.
metalslimer
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I mean how hard is it to say I understand why they feel the need to raise these large amounts of money but I hope during my presidency to lessen the amount of money in politics so that it is no longer necessary
RustyNails
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I dont think bernie is going anywhere until Cali votes. And we gotta put up with another month full of smaller western states voting for bernie.
Meus Renaissance
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It seems to me these Super Delegates are more reluctant to change their pledge than they were in 2008. It's disappointing because I truly believe Sanders would win the General Election against a Trump/Cruz.
Isn't that why they are supporting Clinton? Because they feel she has a better chance in November? What evidence is there to suggest they are right?
Isn't that why they are supporting Clinton? Because they feel she has a better chance in November? What evidence is there to suggest they are right?
They are supporting her because unless she gets thrown in jail, she's the winner
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
So you are suggesting that the Supers ignore Clinton's long history of work with the Democrats, her very large multi-million vote lead, her 200+ delegate lead?
Why would they?
Of course they are reluctant -- Sanders is handily losing the primaries.
Well, for one, they're not going to go against the will of the people. Hillary leads in votes cast and pledged delegates, so I don't see any argument for switching to Bernie that isn't a slap in the face to the Democratic process.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Brazil's impeachment vote will likely begin within the next 10 minutes.
SO nervous.
PoliGAF is too local
This post does remind me of how a child rapist attempted to indict Bill Clinton, but I am interested in this indictment in Brazil...
teruterubozu
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They were waiting for you, Meus. lol.
Thequietone
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For Bernie? Naw, he's going to drag his campaign's corpse* here to California where the death throes will be put on display. Lots of Bernie supporters on my campus, but he won't win the state. At least not by the amount he needs.
*Obviously not Bernie's actual corpse but I know how some people like to twist words.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
They need to have a really good reason to override the popular and pledge delegate vote.
That can happen, like if John Edwards's affair on his wife with cancer came up right before the convention and he had a lead in votes.
It's a grey, muddy clusterfuck at this point.
The current impeachment process being voted has weak legal standing, but there are a half dozen other accusations and impeachment processes ready to continue if this one fails.
I think it was a mistake to push this particular one, this soon. The accusation of campaign financing corruption is incredibly strong (the winning party's campaign manager is actually currently in jail for it), but it is not the argument being made right now.
Anyways, back to the US
If he loses NY by 10+ and then gets swept next week I fully expect the only people still talking about California primary on the Democrat side will be Bernie. The media will fully move on to the impending GOP shitshow
Can you explain why you give a crap about Bernie? He has PERSONALLY attacked you.
Not meus.
Thequietone
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Reminds me of Bernie's comment about the only reason she is leading in popular vote is because of the South. Like their votes don't count as the will of the people or something....
Officerrob
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They are not moving because unlike 2008, Hillary is leading in delegates
Meus Renaissance
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Aside from the Super Delegates, what are the forecasts for future primaries? Does Sanders have a realistic chance of winning of closing that gap enough to beg the question of a switch?
teruterubozu
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Ok this cuts off that camera jump and looks smoother.
Lotsa hands. Kinda creepy.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
metalslimer
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Nope not even close unless the polls are completely wrong. The gap will actually widen significantly
No. But if he did miraculously pull ahead I'm pretty sure they would switch.
100% agree, have to have a really really good reason to do that.
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